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I just hope that since this is set in the LA area, people from Bakersfield/Kern County make an appearance as a bunch of violent hillbilly/cholo raiders and cannibal road warriors like in that post-apocalyptic novel Lucifer's Hammer. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucifer%27s_Hammer
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e; ^ Hey thanks for reminding me about that book, I've been meaning to read it for ages and always forget about it!Cactus posted:I like to handwave all that stuff away by thinking it's just different versions of the virus mutating and evolving, affecting small pockets of people at different rates. The specifics of the magic zombie curse and how it works beyond the broad strokes aren't that important, the zombies are just a catalyst to end civilisation and put pressure on the survivors. My working assumption so far has been that the virus is either still mutating into a 100% contagious form or that it hasn't yet spread to everyone, so every day an increasing number of recently deceased are rising, but it's been ramping up slowly over the previous few days/week-ish, or at least that's the read I get from the dialog taking place before things really go to hell. quote:What this and the parent show does best is overall atmosphere. The original got the whole "dead world" feel down, and this one, so far, is nailing the "dying world" feeling too. It's the little things like the hobo zombie in the background, the police loading their car with water, the abandoned school, the lights going out and them driving past the hospital shootout, the neighbour getting attacked across the street and the mother shutting it out... all that stuff is great. How it will fare once we're past that stage and in the same dead world as the parent show is anyones guess and that's why I hope it keeps the inner-city setting but for now that is what I'm enjoying the most about this show. Agreed on all points, and ideally if the show wants to be distinct from the main one, it'll take a somewhat different tack. We've got some time until we reach the world Rick wakes up in and hey maybe the show will just do one episode = one day or something, or maybe LA or the West Coast fares very slightly better than elsewhere, so there are other established factions and power groups in the city to contend with or some reason to stay in the city, like rumors the military has secured Hawaii and is sending the Marines to evacuate the survivors of LA or something, I dunno. But man for all the dumb poo poo this whole media franchise has in it, it rarely falters on atmosphere. I was genuinely tense during most of the most recent episode even without liking half the characters, and they did a surprisingly good job of making things feel very, very dangerous with just two zombies around.
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Sep 16, 2015 05:14
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Mister Adequate posted:e; ^ Hey thanks for reminding me about that book, I've been meaning to read it for ages and always forget about it! Starts out a little slow but that just makes it all the more fun once it goes full on awesome the entire way through to the end after the impact.
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Sep 16, 2015 05:20
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Barack HUSSEIN posted:I just hope that since this is set in the LA area, people from Bakersfield/Kern County make an appearance as a bunch of violent hillbilly/cholo raiders and cannibal road warriors like in that post-apocalyptic novel Lucifer's Hammer. All the surviving cholos made their way to Georgia to open up a nursing home.
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Sep 16, 2015 05:40
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Just got caught up. I'm honestly liking this more than TWD. Mostly because I think I can see myself reacting the same. Joking aside, does anyone here have a bug out bag?
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Sep 16, 2015 05:51
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Captain Log posted:If we were really going to gun sperg all the buckshot I've ever seen has longer brass on it. That red shell looked like a sporting clay shell. You're right, it looked like every box of skeet ammo I've ever bought at walmart. Short, low brass, red shells. So people know why we're sperging, the length of the brass at the base of the shell is a determining factor in how much gunpowder is in it. For target loads the brass is only something like 1/4" long, for buckshot and most bird shot it's noticeably longer.
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Sep 16, 2015 06:25
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Sorry, lots of quotes incoming-JossiRossi posted:The most annoying part is that people were yelling at Travis from the neighbor's house, and he could not hear them in the living room he was in. Wasn't the sliding glass open then? fancy stats posted:On the other hand, it's been less than a full day since any of these characters (save for the son, but he just thought he was going insane for a while) has actually seen or interacted about zombies. Not a whole lot of time for someone to review their personal tenets. If my immediate family is in potential danger and civil authorities seem overwhelmed and there IS a gun present, I'd make sure everyone knew how to use one just for safety's sake, let alone self defense. But then again, I'm not a beta bitch like travis, so fair enough. Captain Log posted:In an apocalypse setting how would you guys feel about gun and potentially using them for protection? The dads aversion to guns made me laugh but being a huge flaming liberal I had to remind myself that the majority of my friends find the concept of gun ownership and use completely offensive. Do you personally think it would be long before you wanted a firearm? Hopefully long enough so that I can take your poo poo. Blazing Ownager posted:I thought her jumping to "I am going to bash my neighbor's skull in" leap was a little fast, for sure. Remember Madison is like half a step behind Nick in exposure to the undead and the only one to actually kill a zed. I don't think that was a leap at all for her to realize they are actually dead. or undead, whatever. Also, Nick actually killed the drug dealer, saw him shamble around later then ran over him multiple times. He knows what's up and it's very logical. Blazing Ownager posted:Oh yeah. They're definitely jumping the gun on the "know what's up and make peace with it" thing for some characters, way too quickly. I don't think so at all. There are two that think they are risen dead and Maddy not killing her neighbor shows even she has doubts. It's really only Nick that seems to firmly believe they are risen dead so not sure who you're talking about. Cactus posted:I like to handwave all that stuff away by thinking it's just different versions of the virus mutating and evolving, affecting small pockets of people at different rates. The specifics of the magic zombie curse and how it works beyond the broad strokes aren't that important, the zombies are just a catalyst to end civilisation and put pressure on the survivors. Great post, I echo everything here. I really, Mister Adequate posted:e; ^ Hey thanks for reminding me about that book, I've been meaning to read it for ages and always forget about it! Oh man, I haven't read that book in twenty years but it and The Stand were my favorite apocalypse survival stories forever. Great read.
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Sep 16, 2015 07:16
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I wonder what they'll end up calling zombies on the west coast. They will probably not call them 'walkers'.
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Sep 16, 2015 08:01
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TOOT BOOT posted:I wonder what they'll end up calling zombies on the west coast. They will probably not call them 'walkers'. Geeks 
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Sep 16, 2015 08:18
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TOOT BOOT posted:I wonder what they'll end up calling zombies on the west coast. They will probably not call them 'walkers'. Captain Tripps
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Sep 16, 2015 15:36
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"Freepers" would be so perfect.
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Sep 16, 2015 18:22
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The Fuzzy Hulk posted:Captain Tripps Walkin' Dudes
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Sep 16, 2015 18:45
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TOOT BOOT posted:I wonder what they'll end up calling zombies on the west coast. They will probably not call them 'walkers'. Hella Grodies.
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Sep 16, 2015 18:52
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Vanderdeath posted:Hella Grodies.
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Sep 16, 2015 19:18
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Tweakers.
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Sep 16, 2015 19:23
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Uggos.
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Sep 16, 2015 20:08
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Reagans. I'm surprised they didn't get Schwarzenegger to do a cameo, I mean he was governor when TWD started and usually down for that kind of thing. Hearing him on the radio advising people to shelter-in-place would have been a great touch.
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Sep 16, 2015 20:15
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Barack HUSSEIN posted:I just hope that since this is set in the LA area, people from Bakersfield/Kern County make an appearance as a bunch of violent hillbilly/cholo raiders and cannibal road warriors like in that post-apocalyptic novel Lucifer's Hammer. Holy gently caress someone else of forums age has read that book?!?! I hope they are called chatterers. Well, they never click their jaws so scratch that. Also on gun spergin I wish more shows would reference how god damned load and jarring gunfire can be. Especially indoors, if you've ever had that pleasure.
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Sep 16, 2015 22:48
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Also I want a MMA fighter character. Someone who tries to grapple a zombie or that is able to kick a rotten limb/head off.
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Sep 16, 2015 22:50
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The part of the episode when they ran away from the riot and drove past the hospital was AMAZING and extremely efficient in communicating the theme of the show. It actually sent shivers down my spine and made my stomach shrivel in anxiety. Pity the rest of the episode was complete garbage, just like the remainder of the series so far.
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Sep 17, 2015 01:16
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steinrokkan posted:The part of the episode when they ran away from the riot and drove past the hospital was AMAZING and extremely efficient in communicating the theme of the show. It actually sent shivers down my spine and made my stomach shrivel in anxiety. I also thought that was great visual communication in particular.
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Sep 17, 2015 03:24
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I think it's so frustrating that moments of brilliance like that shine through the otherwise mediocre whole product; imagine what this show would be if it were written by A-tier writers. The only thing I can think of that captures the apocalyptic feel better is the film The Road, but I could name ten other shows off the top of my head that feature better written characters and storylines.
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Sep 17, 2015 08:55
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Mister Adequate posted:
That's not really the important thing with regards to how the story (should) play out. Remember CDC guy in TWD only really firmly comes to the conclusion that everyone is infected when Rick et al. show up. This means that everyone's infected, but if the army have a test for infection that they're using on people who have been 'exposed' they almost certainly at this point don't realise that it's going to return a positive on everyone.
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hepscat posted:Endless maze in the backyard, but she looks out the window and sees neighbor zombie going in the sliding glass door 20 feet away at most. Really glad someone else noticed that. Also that none of the folks going into the silence of the house could manage to hear everyone screaming for them to not go in. I also love that the truck cannot manage to go above 15MPH. Whoever made the pirates of the caribbean comment was spot on. moist turtleneck posted:So is Scaredy McLiberalPants going to figure out that guns are good in the apocalypse or is his whiney son going to blow his head off so he can say "See, I told you so" Well, it IS california, so I imagine the latter. JossiRossi posted:I love that even though the Junkie is now at his own house, he has yet to change out of his old man clothes. Or shower. Old man clothes will be his version of the vest with angel wings. Maybe old man clothes are comfy? ChesterJT posted:I think he was referring to the other guy who made it an issue in the first place. Sorry if that picture I google searched for 3 seconds to find to make a point about the show this thread is here for upset your delicate sensibilities. I've been around firearms my entire life and never heard of a cylinder choke. Blazing Ownager posted:I thought her jumping to "I am going to bash my neighbor's skull in" leap was a little fast, for sure. People have already forgotten about Eugene Jr.  Barack HUSSEIN posted:I just hope that since this is set in the LA area, people from Bakersfield/Kern County make an appearance as a bunch of violent hillbilly/cholo raiders and cannibal road warriors like in that post-apocalyptic novel Lucifer's Hammer. That is an amazing book, by the way. Fog Tripper fucked around with this message at 16:29 on Sep 18, 2015 |
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Blazing Ownager posted:The biggest problem is this doesn't mesh up with how zombies work in the original show AT ALL. That riot should have been a full on zombie horde in minutes, if even a couple zombies were in the middle of it. Not to mention the fact that they've somehow been entirely sneaky until now. Not trying to be snarky but you should really re-watch TWD. When Amy (Andrea's sister) gets her neck chewed off it takes a minute or two for her to bleed out and then hours later she comes back. You're thinking of World War Z or 28 Days Later I think.
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Sep 18, 2015 21:38
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Fog Tripper posted:That is an amazing book, by the way. A bit "Turner Diarie" at some points, unfortunately.
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Sep 18, 2015 21:55
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MeLKoR posted:A bit "Turner Diarie" at some points, unfortunately. If you can get past who authored it and the reasoning behind it being written, "One Second After" is good as well.
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Sep 19, 2015 00:58
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Unzip and Attack posted:Not trying to be snarky but you should really re-watch TWD. When Amy (Andrea's sister) gets her neck chewed off it takes a minute or two for her to bleed out and then hours later she comes back. You're thinking of World War Z or 28 Days Later I think. Shane stands back up inside of two minutes. TWD is pretty inconsistent. You probably shouldn't think about it.
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Sep 19, 2015 06:14
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Tellah posted:Shane stands back up inside of two minutes. TWD is pretty inconsistent. Didn't they explain that though? That some took many hours, and some only took a few minutes?
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Sep 19, 2015 07:42
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Yeah, someone observes that in the show. There's no explanation - not that anyone wants one. It really just amounts to whether the scene calls for empathy, dramatic tension, or a jump-scare/grapple. It's impossible to see it as anything but a narrative crutch.
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Sep 19, 2015 08:34
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Tellah posted:Yeah, someone observes that in the show. There's no explanation - not that anyone wants one. That's absolutely irrelevant to the original point- in the TWD universe, going from corpse to zombie can be minutes to several hours, so the LA riot wouldn't be overrun in minutes with zombies.
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Sep 19, 2015 10:19
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The new show has given us a zombie riot cop (who presumably turned quickly) and presented corpses that hadn't yet animated. It's consistently inconsistent.
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warcrimes posted:That's absolutely irrelevant to the original point- in the TWD universe, going from corpse to zombie can be minutes to several hours, so the LA riot wouldn't be overrun in minutes with zombies. Yeah an explicit point was made in TWD 'it can be minutes, it can be hours'. The show isn't inconsistent, the length of time it takes a corpse to animate is consciously inconsistent.
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Sep 19, 2015 11:59
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Fog Tripper posted:.People have already forgotten about Eugene Jr. If you're talking about Tobias, his actor is listed in the opening credits, so I'm hopeful our fave little goon is coming back...
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Unzip and Attack posted:Not trying to be snarky but you should really re-watch TWD. When Amy (Andrea's sister) gets her neck chewed off it takes a minute or two for her to bleed out and then hours later she comes back. You're thinking of World War Z or 28 Days Later I think. It's always depicted as them raising within minutes - a full day, pretty much. It seems like the ones that really get killed utterly turn faster. So if even 10% of that crowd of thousands we turning like that, it should have been on a full zombie riot in minutes.
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LadyPictureShow posted:If you're talking about Tobias, his actor is listed in the opening credits, so I'm hopeful our fave little goon is coming back... I would be perfectly fine of they killed off everyone besides Tobias and Latino Man. I would watch just those two get into escapades every week. Would be as close to zombieland as the show could get. Bonus if they ran into Rick's group doing the zombie guts camo, and killing them all thinking they were actual zombies. Much like Bill Murray. Well, kill everyone but Morgan. Fog Tripper fucked around with this message at 18:57 on Sep 19, 2015 |
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warcrimes posted:That's absolutely irrelevant to the original point- in the TWD universe, going from corpse to zombie can be minutes to several hours, so the LA riot wouldn't be overrun in minutes with zombies. Blazing Ownager posted:So if even 10% of that crowd of thousands we turning like that, it should have been on a full zombie riot in minutes. A zombie-riot would not have been in keeping with the slow-burn tone the show was utilizing for the front half of the season. The point is that, because zombification time is inconsistent, it could have gone either way. For thematic reasons (maintaining protagonist naivete, budget constraint, man-is-the-real-danger signaling) the crowd did not all turn into zombies despite the fact that several people were already getting their necks chewed off. I maintain you shouldn't think about it; the only conclusions to be drawn are listed above, and the route to them is paved with narrative conceits.
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I think they're actually walking the tightrope of showing a zombie apocalypse in progress really well given how done-to-death the arguments over how plausible it is are. Animation is inconsistent in time so it's hard for people to draw the dots. The fact that everyone turns means that hospitals are the first places to be lost and emergency services start to collapse under pressure before anyone's aware there's even a crisis. Police shootings leading to mass rioting gives a plausible reason for a loss of government control over urban centres, which gives zombie herds the chance to form and reach critical mass in the chaos. The foreground character drama is on extremely shaky ground and could easily go either way (hell, TWD did go either way from season to season), but I think everything that's happening in the background of the episodes is really good and thought through. As steinrokkan posted, the scene when they drive past the hospital is amazing. And it's just the characters watching something happen as they drive past.
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Alchenar posted:As steinrokkan posted, the scene when they drive past the hospital is amazing. And it's just the characters watching something happen as they drive past. It was good in regard to what was happening in the background. That said, the 20MPH way they drive past incredibly hairy situations removes all enjoyment. That truck. That loving truck.
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