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RareAcumen posted:What games would anyone even suggest you should 100% anyway? Those of us with the 'tism love 100%ing games and strive for it where possible. I did it with Just Cause 2, I'm within 5% of Mad Max... Though now that you mention it nobody should do either. Nier is probably the Best game to 100%, though on the other hand that game really hates the player on a deep personal level if they try, so VVV The mouse has an order of magnitude more control and precision than controllers do. Third-person or driving games that don't rely on precise aim (or have REALLY GENEROUS autoaim) work best with a controller, FPS and RTS mouse is a must. TF2 had cross-platform play in development, but Valve ran some test games and even with huge skill disparity the KB+M destroyed controller users. On the other hand, every time I have to drive in a game, I wish my WASD keys were analog. Digital makes cars swervy and overcorrecting. Evilreaver has a new favorite as of 09:47 on Sep 16, 2015 |
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Because some games play better on controller than keyboard. Keys are binary, where either you press it or you don't. Whereas some controllers have more analog/gradual buttons, triggers, joysticks, etc. Maybe not a majority of games, but it's a notable point that it should be a given among most goons.
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Sep 16, 2015 09:34
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Those pizza missions on Spider Man 2 kept me from 100%ing the game. I still cringe whenever I hear Funiculi Funicula.
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Sep 16, 2015 09:39
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SomeJazzyRat posted:Because some games play better on controller than keyboard. Keys are binary, where either you press it or you don't. Whereas some controllers have more analog/gradual buttons, triggers, joysticks, etc. Maybe not a majority of games, but it's a notable point that it should be a given among most goons. It'd be a very small minority compared to the ones that play better with mouse + keyboard
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Sep 16, 2015 09:42
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SomeJazzyRat posted:Because some games play better on controller than keyboard. Keys are binary, where either you press it or you don't. Whereas some controllers have more analog/gradual buttons, triggers, joysticks, etc. Maybe not a majority of games, but it's a notable point that it should be a given among most goons. Personally, I've only met two genres that are actually better with a controller, and those are driving and platformers (and Dark Souls; there's nothing inherently bad about a game like Dark Souls played with a keyboard, but Dark Souls' controller scheme is perfect). Everything else I've played felt either at best neutral, or controllers come out worse. But driving games and platformers are both pretty big, and mouse and keyboard can't match up. The only genre that I'd honestly say I'd consider using both styles are sandbox games with vehicles. Controllers are better for driving, a mouse is better for aiming, but neither side is awful at the other's strength so they're both solidly usable.
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SomeJazzyRat posted:Because some games play better on controller than keyboard. Keys are binary, where either you press it or you don't. Whereas some controllers have more analog/gradual buttons, triggers, joysticks, etc. Maybe not a majority of games, but it's a notable point that it should be a given among most goons. But why should anyone who wants to use KB+M have to "just accept using a controller for PC gaming"? No one's trying to tell anyone not to use a controller, but if you mention you're having trouble with the controls for a console port then it's pretty much 100% guaranteed that someone will tell you you need to buy and use a controller for it and you should just accept that. Why should anyone accept that? If the game says you can control it with a keyboard and mouse then you should be able to.
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Sep 16, 2015 10:01
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Why is it that 90% of levels made by americans in mario maker feel like they where ripped straight out of Kaizo Mario, just straight up, unfun horseshit.
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Sep 16, 2015 10:03
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Alteisen posted:Why is it that 90% of levels made by americans in mario maker feel like they where ripped straight out of Kaizo Mario, just straight up, unfun horseshit. Making good levels is hard, making hard levels is easy.
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Sep 16, 2015 11:10
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Evilreaver posted:Those of us with the 'tism love 100%ing games and strive for it where possible. I did it with Just Cause 2, Isn't that literally impossible due to a bug though?
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Alteisen posted:Why is it that 90% of levels made by americans in mario maker feel like they where ripped straight out of Kaizo Mario, just straight up, unfun horseshit. Because people have been doing romhacks for like two decades at this point and of course they're going to make more romhacks now that there's an official toolkit to use that they can pay money to use. You didn't expect this after watching the Nintendo World Championship? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HkzyQJrROtk&t=9650s
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Sep 16, 2015 11:28
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kazil posted:It's 2015 and you dorks need to just accept using a controller for PC gaming. I've never found a game I thought was easier to play with a controller than mouse and keyboard.
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Sep 16, 2015 12:16
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Different games work better with different control schemes, and sometimes a game on PC will work better with a controller. I don't know why goons treat this as controversial.
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Namarrgon posted:I've never found a game I thought was easier to play with a controller than mouse and keyboard. Dark Souls, notoriously.
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Sep 16, 2015 13:44
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For me it depends on the genre. First person shooters, or pretty much anything where you have to aim, the mouse is best. RTS or turn based strategy games are also much better with a mouse and keyboard. But more action based games I will always plug a controller in. When I finally got GTA V on the PC, it was all controller. I play spelunky a lot and it's far better with a controller. Rocket League is drat near unplayable on mouse and keyboard. Heck, I'd say the majority of the little indie games I have play best with a controller.
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Ill consider using a gamepad as my primary input device when they make one that isnt designed like rear end.
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Namarrgon posted:I've never found a game I thought was easier to play with a controller than mouse and keyboard. Same. The closest I've come is with Mortal Kombat, and in that case I can't really say one is better than the other - some things are easier with keyboard, others with the controller.
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Tiggum posted:But why should anyone who wants to use KB+M have to "just accept using a controller for PC gaming"? No one's trying to tell anyone not to use a controller, but if you mention you're having trouble with the controls for a console port then it's pretty much 100% guaranteed that someone will tell you you need to buy and use a controller for it and you should just accept that. Why should anyone accept that? If the game says you can control it with a keyboard and mouse then you should be able to. Most big name PC games are console ports. PC users should either accept that their glorious master race might have to use a filthy console users controller or get over the fact that developers don't always have the time/resources/skills to make a perfect port. There are so many unironic "it's a lovely port!" posts over just the loving keyboard layout.
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Namarrgon posted:I've never found a game I thought was easier to play with a controller than mouse and keyboard. Never played dark souls eh? Almost all 3rd person games are better on controller by far. Driving games too, unless you have an actual wheel. Keyboard sucks for driving. Pedals should not be binary buttons.
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Sep 16, 2015 17:43
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SpookyLizard posted:Ill consider using a gamepad as my primary input device when they make one that isnt designed like rear end. XBox 360 controllers are top notch, with the exception of the d-pad.
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Sep 16, 2015 18:28
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Lizard Wizard posted:XBox 360 controllers are top notch, with the exception of the d-pad. Truth. If anyone had lovely controllers, it's Nintendo. Wtf GameCube
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Sep 16, 2015 18:57
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Evilreaver posted:VVV In MGSV all of the guns literally have a visible auto-aim stat. I'm primarily a PC gamer, and I won't play this game without a controller. Then again, I also prefer playing X-Com and Bloodbowl 2 with a controller, so whatever.
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Geniasis posted:Truth. If anyone had lovely controllers, it's Nintendo. You're insane, the Gamecube controller is the best and most comfortable controller ever made.
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me, teenager: "why the gently caress is auto aim always on by default, turn that poo poo off I don't want a game to play itself for me" me, now: "hell yeah auto aim" EDIT: I recently tried to get a Gamecube controller to work on the recent PC version of Resident Evil 4 because that game owns bones with the GCN controller. I couldn't get it to work-- camera kept moving around weirdly.
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Convex posted:Isn't that literally impossible due to a bug though? I counted the 99.5% as a win when I couldn't get that last bit. Finance district 
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Zaphod42 posted:Never played dark souls eh? No but i have played the Assassin's Creed games on both, for roughly equal duration. I still vastly prefer mouse and keyboard.
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Nostradingus posted:You're insane, the Gamecube controller is the best and most comfortable controller ever made. It was pretty good, but it had some problems with games that weren't designed for it, like SNES games on the Wii virtual console. Mario, Super Metroid, and many other games have you jump with B and hold Y to run, and that involves you laying your thumb awkwardly across a large space without pressing the big A button in the center. Dr Christmas has a new favorite as of 20:54 on Sep 16, 2015 |
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Sep 16, 2015 20:37
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Evilreaver posted:I counted the 99.5% as a win when I couldn't get that last bit. Finance district There's a mod that puts the water tower back in. Go back and play it to 100%, then you can say you got 100%.
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Dr Christmas posted:It was pretty good, but it had some problems with games that weren't designed for it, like SNES games on the Wii virtual console. Mario, Super Metroid, and many other games have you jump with B and hold Y to run, and tha involves you paying your thumb awkwardly across a large space without pressing the big A button in the center. Also, while analog shoulder buttons were a good idea, the execution kind of sucked. Especially for cross-platform titles that were clearly designed for the PS2's basic shoulder button configuration instead. And I don't recall the D-pad being all that great, either.
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The PS2 had analogue shoulder buttons. Not as much travel on them, but I'm sure they were there.
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Gamecube controller had some nifty ideas for its time but people often act like its the best ever and they're clearly biased. Several parts of it are really flawed. The buttons are too clicky, the shoulder buttons are even worse with the slide-click, the c-stick is weird, and it just looks a bit complicated for people who don't play tons of games. The Dualshock PS2 controller and the Xbone controller are probably my two favorites of all time, with PS4 and 360 being slightly behind. Nice and clean, symmetric, and extremely ergonomic. Say what you will about Sony and MS, but they hired teams that know ergonomics and they made drat comfy controllers. (Well, MS had a failed design with the frisbee controller based on the Dreamcast controller on their first pass, but they improved)
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I wish actions in Sims 4 were a shade faster so that I don't feel compelled to run it at 2 or 3 speed. I paradoxically don't blame the game entirely. If I'm emulating a game, once I remember the speed-up feature, I can't stop using it.
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The Wavebird was the best. But the other controllers were poo poo. I remember being younger and everyone always wanted the actual Nintendo/Sega/Microsoft controllers over the Mad Catz bullshit. First party controllers for lyfe. Dragging down TF2: All the servers immediately get SUPER Full and its a spam fest. Servers should be capped at like 18, and no limit on any class or combination. And all the fukin' servers have norespawn or some stupid gimmick in it. Babby's want no penalty for dying with instant respawn, and that should be outlawed forever by valve.
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Walton Simons posted:The PS2 had analogue shoulder buttons. Not as much travel on them, but I'm sure they were there. Hell, the PS2 had analogue face buttons, and they were finicky as poo poo. I'm pretty sure the only game that ever used them was MGS3, for its close-quarters combat. Resulted in a lot of grappled enemies being killed accidentally, that's for sure.
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Dr Christmas posted:It was pretty good, but it had some problems with games that weren't designed for it, like SNES games on the Wii virtual console. Mario, Super Metroid, and many other games have you jump with B and hold Y to run, and that involves you laying your thumb awkwardly across a large space without pressing the big A button in the center. Sounds like they should allow remapping if they don't.
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On the topic of Nintendo controller chat, Resident Evil 4: Wii Version, it just plays so much better with the Wii controller that it feels like a chore to play with any other medium. 
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Morpheus posted:Hell, the PS2 had analogue face buttons, and they were finicky as poo poo. I'm pretty sure the only game that ever used them was MGS3, for its close-quarters combat. Resulted in a lot of grappled enemies being killed accidentally, that's for sure. Yep, I still remember the original MGS3 wanted you to only lightly press O button to pull out your gun, and then press it down all the way to actually shoot. It was the most finnicky bullshit in the world. The subsistence update to MGS3 was more important for fixing the controls and the camera more than adding a stupid online mode.
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I hated the GameCube shoulder buttons. I sort of thought they had given me arthritis at the age of 21 lol. I ended up getting an adaptor and using a PS1 pad instead. Also, it's noisy as gently caress.
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Walton Simons posted:The PS2 had analogue shoulder buttons. Not as much travel on them, but I'm sure they were there. It goes to show what a difference there is between them, I guess. I knew about the pressure sensitive face buttons (also used by the semi-obscure rhythm game Mad Maestro), but I didn't know that extended to the shoulders too. Though that reminds me that the Gamecube also lacked symmetrical shoulder buttons, which was also a bit wonky. John Murdoch has a new favorite as of 22:25 on Sep 16, 2015 |
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MGS V pro: Big Boss is the best metal gear solid character Con: Turns out Venom Snake isn't Big Boss 
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