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Renaissance Robot posted:This comes up often enough here and elsewhere that I feel it needs clearing up (again): Basically by taking a slogan that is directed against a systemic problem and interpreting it to refer solely to the individuals part of that system absent the context of the system, you're missing the entire point. This too is a type of Liberalism.
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Doctor_Fruitbat posted:Would it be possible to add a UKMT reading list to the OP? There's been a ton of recommendations here lately and I'm trying to make an effort to fit in some reading time before bed. The ft is pretty good, I wouldn't bother with political theory books over 20 years old though
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Breath Ray posted:plenty of ppl on here have depression if that counts Myself included. Go go sadbranes. Breath Ray posted:Metro seems lefty if anything When it chooses to be. Owned by the Mail. Phoon posted:Apparently some blairites are thinking of crossing the floor to the tories which should be fun since most blairites have been parachuted into safe labour seats Pleeeeaaasse let this happen.
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Labour MPs still not answering loving questions. I'm probably simple but it would be so much easier to just straight up answer. All of them I have seen on DP so far are just flanneling and letting Jezza down. Even Brillo pad is giving them an easy out, saying ' If you haven't got a solid position yet, just say'
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John Mann on Daily Politics just claimed that he's getting letters from Labour voters saying they'll never vote for this man. You'd think they'd have joined as members to vote in the leadership campaign if they thought he was that bad? Maybe John Mann is a hard right Labour MP who is full of jobbies. Makes u think. Trickjaw posted:Labour MPs still not answering loving questions. I'm probably simple but it would be so much easier to just straight up answer. All of them I have seen on DP so far are just flanneling and letting Jezza down. Even Brillo pad is giving them an easy out, saying ' If you haven't got a solid position yet, just say' In their defence, I don't think they have a loving clue where they stand because there's not actually been the discussion he wants. They know what they want personally, they probably know where Corbyn stands, but I doubt they know where collectively the cabinet stands yet. forkboy84 fucked around with this message at 11:53 on Sep 16, 2015 |
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Trickjaw posted:Labour MPs still not answering loving questions. I'm probably simple but it would be so much easier to just straight up answer. All of them I have seen on DP so far are just flanneling and letting Jezza down. Even Brillo pad is giving them an easy out, saying ' If you haven't got a solid position yet, just say' It never ceases to amaze me how useless Labour are when it comes to the press.
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Sep 16, 2015 11:52
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PMQs hasn't even started yet and already I hate the house of commons again, shut up kids and let the welsh people talk about wales before the show starts.
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Sep 16, 2015 11:55
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Sep 16, 2015 11:56
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Lord of the Llamas posted:I'm nervous! Me too 
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WMain00 posted:It never ceases to amaze me how useless Labour are when it comes to the press. Like I said back during the referendum and general election. They are a PR disaster when it comes to involving anything out there sphere of influence.
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Sep 16, 2015 11:58
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Tesseraction posted:Myself included. Go go sadbranes. This probably sounds simplistic but its been proven that supporting a losing team in football diminishes testosterone... I think the same could be true of ppl who support left wing politics And expose themselves to negative coverage (right wing media). Actually ppl who avoid all news are happiest of all. Secondly, I think Jeremy could do well with ukip voters if he sticks to brexit line (see Dominic Cummings' brexit blog for benefits)
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Sep 16, 2015 11:59
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Oh Private Eye, I expected better of you: (apologies for crappy phone snap quality)
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Sep 16, 2015 11:59
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i think the PI cartoonists have always been terrible
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Sep 16, 2015 12:01
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The cartoons in PI are always dreadful and often wouldn't be out of place in the Daily Mail.
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Sep 16, 2015 12:04
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Here we go! Corbyn's at the dispatch box and already slagging off PMQ's.
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Sep 16, 2015 12:04
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AWwww yes PMQs off to a good start, Corbyn opens perfectly.
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beautiful start from corbae
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Cameron being civil, I think he's going to be leaving the nastiness to the press.
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Pesmerga posted:Cameron being civil, I think he's going to be leaving the nastiness to the press. I can only hope this is something that continues. PMQ's at the moment feels less like pointless point scoring and more like an actual debate. If this is how it'll be in the future I'm on board. Either that or Cameron's being civil because the image of him shouting at old man who is being very reasonable makes him look bad.
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Sep 16, 2015 12:09
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search your feelings etc.
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Doctor_Fruitbat posted:Would it be possible to add a UKMT reading list to the OP? There's been a ton of recommendations here lately and I'm trying to make an effort to fit in some reading time before bed. I think it should be fairly short and contain some oddball or different things too, so that it isn't just a copy/paste of https://www.goodreads.com/list/tag/marxism five times over. I'll throw in Kropotkin's The Conquest of Bread (getting off to a good relevant non-stereotypical start with a 19th century Russian) as a somewhat handwavey but feel-good piece with some choice  s against arguments still being made today.I remember reading a similar modern work that discussed the same themes, along with common land, common law, the Charter of the Forest, and the failures of the Occupy movement in a 21st century British/American context, but I'm damned if I can remember the name.
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Oh there's the jeering.
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drat, Corbyn's knocking it out of the park IMO. Cameron's suddenly getting called out on his lies.
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Tesseraction posted:drat, Corbyn's knocking it out of the park IMO. Cameron's suddenly getting called out on his lies. yeah but without all the jeering and the yelling you need to actually listen to the words they're saying to know who's correct how can you expect that much effort of people
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Sep 16, 2015 12:13
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Corbyn talking about the Welfare State is some spectacular stuff.
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I just love how he replies to 'people should work' with 'some people don't have the opportunity'
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Guavanaut posted:This sounds like a reasonable plan. If anyone wants to throw in some suggestions I'll put it above the thread links section. I'd personally love some recommendations for specifically UK/EU orientated material. The LF reading list was good but I'm really weak on British history and politics compared to Some Posters.
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Cameron is just talking fluff, but it's good-sounding fluff.
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awesome-express posted:Is there a livestream somewhere? http://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/live/2015/sep/16/corbyn-faces-shadow-cabinet-split-over-abolishing-benefits-cap-politics-live Top of the page.
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Mental and physical health have parity in the health system? Pull the other one.
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now on to the important issue of tigers in the Isle of Wight zoo
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Lancelot posted:what is this tiger thing Tigers and rhinos. Uh ok.
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People not so interested in the Isle of Wight Zoo it seems. Edit: Jesus Christ does Cameron not realise how stupid he looks talking about Nancy the Rhino.
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Northern Ireland is still pottering on in slow burn crisis mood. Villiers is attempting to start a new round of inter-party talks but the Unionist parties are holding out, demanding a commitment from the government to restart the Independent Monitoring Committee to investigate continuing paramilitary activity. The full silliness of the DUP's resignation that's not a resignation became apparent a couple of days ago at the height of Corbynmania. Someone pointed out that the under the Executive rules the DUP ministers who resigned either had to replaced with new DUP appointees or the posts would be reassigned to other parties under the D'Hondt method. This would have meant SF and the SDLP getting them and the DUP most definitely does not want that to happen. So now what they are going to do is renominate their resigned ministers (the deadline is tomorrow I believe), they will retake their ministerial posts - and then they will all immediately resign again. It seems like they plan to keep doing this continually. It's really stupid
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Party Boat posted:Mental and physical health have parity in the health system? Pull the other one. As of this April, theoretically.
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Lord of the Llamas posted:People not so interested in the Isle of Wight Zoo it seems. I'd guess that a lot of Britons would have a lot of difficulty finding Isle of Wight on the map.
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