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BigRed0427
Mar 23, 2007

There's no one I'd rather be than me.

Max Wilco posted:

At first I didn't know what this could be in reference to, but then I saw the video, Game Theory: The Strategy of Sex Appeal in Dead or Alive.

Three minutes in, he says that it was a mistake to ban the use of sexy costumes in DOA5 tournaments because they are, "key gameplay and strategic elements."
:ughh:

Before I click that link, how much of it is "Don't take away my toys? :cry:"

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Linear Zoetrope
Nov 28, 2011

A hero must cook

Mraagvpeine posted:

As I understand it, YouTube is still going to have the Content ID system as it is not part of the DMCA notices.

ContentID is a tool used by Google to avoid them getting DMCA takedown requests from companies.

The real problem with the decision I linked getting rid of Content ID is that Youtube is not a government run organization, it's a business that can censor whatever speech for whatever arbitrary reason it wants. So, strictly speaking, Universal can request any video to be taken down it wants, even if it has fuckall to do with their IP, and Google can say "sure". That's all completely legal regardless of what the court decision says. It would be completely in the clear for Google to send Brad a notice that says "rear end in a top hat Cinema has requested a takedown of your video because they think your face is ugly, and we agree fuckface" and it would be no more or less legal than ContentID. All the decision really affects is willy nilly sending actual DMCA notices to other sites like, say, Maker or Screenwave.

That said, there's a sliver (and I mean a sliver) of a chance that this will tip the scales in enough of Google's favor that they don't have to be so paranoid, and they'll lax up a bit on these things. However, since they have no real reason to and the architecture to keep doing this is all there, it's far more likely we just keep the status quo.

Alaois
Feb 7, 2012

Kunster posted:

I like the part on how desexualized games would be boring, while there are a few videos on Splatoon.

lol if you don't think he's pullin his pud to squidkids

Alacron
Feb 15, 2007

-->Have tearful reunion with your son
-->Eh
Fun Shoe
There is nothing, nothing, that desperate nerds won't beat off to.

Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Got any deathsticks?
Sage has a new Nuts and Bolts video out on his first ever Anime Abandon episode, "Psychic Wars". I think it says something for why I've stuck with his videos so long, he has come a long way since he started yukking about old crappy OVAs.

Leal
Oct 2, 2009

Alaois posted:

lol if you don't think he's pullin his pud to squidkids


Alacron posted:

There is nothing, nothing, that desperate nerds won't beat off to.

Just look at the splatoon thread on 4chan (better idea: Don't)


Max Wilco posted:

Three minutes in, he says that it was a mistake to ban the use of sexy costumes in DOA5 tournaments because they are, "key gameplay and strategic elements."

Is the thought process here being "The gamer nerd, being extremely sexually repressed, will be distracted by a woman in a sexy outfit"? Someone show that guy the image of a Starcraft 2 tournament where one team hired a bunch of escorts to try and distract the other team and it didn't work.

Cyron
Mar 10, 2014

by zen death robot

Leal posted:

Just look at the splatoon thread on 4chan (better idea: Don't)

Oh I have for curiosity. I felt like I needed to clear my search history and go off the grid for a few months.

Someone in one of the threads in games posted a goofy video on donkey kong lore that explain the "great ape war" and how K.Rool was secretly murdered by bowser during a baseball spinoff. it was a shity video but I know game theory would have made a video about this and be serious.

Cyron fucked around with this message at 22:50 on Sep 16, 2015

Linear Zoetrope
Nov 28, 2011

A hero must cook
I've gone to 4chan like 3 times and I'm pretty sure the only time I didn't immediately regret it was when I went straight to /x/. Which was mostly just boring.

PassTheRemote
Mar 15, 2007

Number 6 holds The Village record in Duck Hunt.

The first one to kill :laugh: wins.
New Half in the bag, The Visit and TuboKid


I saw TurboKid at a screening up in Northern VA, and it is really fun. Really hope more people see it.

Cyron
Mar 10, 2014

by zen death robot

Tracula posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPpBlDaKM_o

I know Game Theory is ~objectively~ terrible but my god this video. How the poo poo can he put blame on Jimmy Kimmel and whoever else pokes fun at gaming while defending the harassment they get and at the end as an after thought say "Oh yeah, stop being lovely to people making fun of your hobby." gently caress you, MatPat or whatever you go as. Sincerely gently caress you.

wait your still upset about the Kimble thing? I mean I love him more then fallon, but I can understand where people think he is out of line when it dealing with their livelihood. he didn't deserve the harassment but it the same when people cry to internet critics to "get a real job".

granted gametheory will not make matters better. he should sick to making shity videos about how all video games are taking place in a coma or a child dream and leave the big boy topics to jim sterling or angry joe.

Cyron fucked around with this message at 23:40 on Sep 16, 2015

BigRed0427
Mar 23, 2007

There's no one I'd rather be than me.

Cyron posted:

wait your still upset about the Kimble thing? I mean I love him more then fallon, but I can understand where people think he is out of line when it dealing with their livelihood. he didn't deserve the harassment but it the same when people cry to internet critics to "get a real job".

granted gametheory will not make matters better. he should sick to making shity videos about how all video games are taking place in a coma or a child dream and leave the big boy topics to jim sterling or angry joe.

Speaking of which, Jim Sterling this week talked about how dumb the reason for Quiet to be naked is. His reasoning is "If Kojima wanted to just have a near naked character for sex appeal, just admit it. Don't give us this BS Reason and say were gonna feel like idiots when we hear it."

I was gonna post a series of people calling Jim a SJW but...gently caress why did I read the comments. :smith:

Mad Lupine
Feb 18, 2011

all the things you said
running through my head

Cyron posted:

leave the big boy topics to jim sterling

You're mean.

Cyron posted:

Angry Joe

Oh never mind. You weren't being serious.

Linear Zoetrope
Nov 28, 2011

A hero must cook

BigRed0427 posted:

Speaking of which, Jim Sterling this week talked about how dumb the reason for Quiet to be naked is. His reasoning is "If Kojima wanted to just have a near naked character for sex appeal, just admit it. Don't give us this BS Reason and say were gonna feel like idiots when we hear it."

In fairness, MGSV had a lot of wonderful manbutts in the prologue for balance. :v:

Puppy Time
Mar 1, 2005


Jsor posted:

In fairness, MGSV had a lot of wonderful manbutts in the prologue for balance. :v:

The problem isn't the presence of sexy, the problem is the pretense that it's for anything other than boners. I doubt it would've mattered if Kojima were just like, "Yeah, she's in a stripper outfit. I like stripper outfits."

Cyron
Mar 10, 2014

by zen death robot

BigRed0427 posted:

Speaking of which, Jim Sterling this week talked about how dumb the reason for Quiet to be naked is. His reasoning is "If Kojima wanted to just have a near naked character for sex appeal, just admit it. Don't give us this BS Reason and say were gonna feel like idiots when we hear it."

I was gonna post a series of people calling Jim a SJW but...gently caress why did I read the comments. :smith:

Not only did jim said something that people will call you a SJW over, but he trash kojima, who is scared to a few gamers. insult him, Nintendo or final fantasy and you will get a bunch of hate mail in your email account.

Puppy Time posted:

The problem isn't the presence of sexy, the problem is the pretense that it's for anything other than boners. I doubt it would've mattered if Kojima were just like, "Yeah, she's in a stripper outfit. I like stripper outfits."

that is what jim is getting at, at least something like lollipop chainsaw is aware it a tit show and not hide behind the veil of thin plot device.

Cyron fucked around with this message at 00:37 on Sep 17, 2015

Linear Zoetrope
Nov 28, 2011

A hero must cook

Puppy Time posted:

The problem isn't the presence of sexy, the problem is the pretense that it's for anything other than boners. I doubt it would've mattered if Kojima were just like, "Yeah, she's in a stripper outfit. I like stripper outfits."

I was just making a joke. I had originally had a "I know there's a difference/that's not the point" disclaimer in there but I took it out.

BigRed0427
Mar 23, 2007

There's no one I'd rather be than me.

Cyron posted:

Not only did jim said something that people will call you a SJW over, but he trash kojima, who is scared to a few gamers. insult him, Nintendo or final fantasy and you will get a bunch of hate mail in your email account.


that is what jim is getting at, at least something like lollipop chainsaw is aware it a tit show and not hide behind the veil of thin plot device.

Hell, Sterling talks about Kojima the same way I talk about Grant Morrison. He practically worships him.

Cyron
Mar 10, 2014

by zen death robot

BigRed0427 posted:

Hell, Sterling talks about Kojima the same way I talk about Grant Morrison. He practically worships him.

He even talk about Nintendo like the bright light in the realm of dumb. when their not being dumb on youtube themselves

The Vosgian Beast
Aug 13, 2011

Business is slow
I can't put myself in the frame of mind where I could be angry about people saying Quiet's costume is dumb.

I just can't.

Linear Zoetrope
Nov 28, 2011

A hero must cook

The Vosgian Beast posted:

I can't put myself in the frame of mind where I could be angry about people saying Quiet's costume is dumb.

I just can't.

The thing that really sells it are the leggings with all the holes in them. Like, you put her in a bikini and it's just incredibly dumb obvious fanservice, but those weird leggings really give it that extra "is this for real?" oomph.

lornekates
Oct 3, 2014

Web Developer for phelous.com dot com.

Arcsquad12 posted:

I got a Nostalgia critic video in my recommended tab, and the title was "When does a joke go on too long?"

Doug, I don't think you're qualified to answer that.

It's "When does a joke go too far?".

The answer is "When it goes too far". The video is 15 minutes long, and makes no real point, presents no real evidence, and comes up with no good argument.

Also, like every single one of his "commentary" videos, it tries to prove it's point by referencing Tom & Jerry.

Cyron
Mar 10, 2014

by zen death robot

The Vosgian Beast posted:

I can't put myself in the frame of mind where I could be angry about people saying Quiet's costume is dumb.

I just can't.

You see, if she is have cloths on the terrorists win. and we are doom to a world where all sex will be like this...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YFC0O393DQ

Tracula
Mar 26, 2010

PLEASE LEAVE

Puppy Time posted:

The problem isn't the presence of sexy, the problem is the pretense that it's for anything other than boners. I doubt it would've mattered if Kojima were just like, "Yeah, she's in a stripper outfit. I like stripper outfits."

Pretty much this. Jim also mentioned something I thought of as well with Quiet being the same as The End and he actually had on a real outfit. As he said too it's easier to respect stuff like Dead or Alive Volleyball since all they want you to do is get a boner, no bullshit reason for big tits being exposed.

Jimbot
Jul 22, 2008

Kojima is actually a genius. You know how many women send pictures of themselves wearing that dumb Quiet outfit? From the retweets of them, a whole hell of a lot. It's a vehicle to get women to send pictures of themselves to him and it worked loving flawlessly. He wields a power that all men wish they had.

But yeah, it'd be one thing if they didn't draw attention to it but it's all butts n' boobs when Quiet's around. If you don't bother looking she makes sure to move in a position where either her butt or boobs are in full frame. A shame too, she has a few pretty good character moments. Unfortunately, a Sniper Wolf or The Boss she is not.

SatansBestBuddy
Sep 26, 2010

by FactsAreUseless
So Tony Zhou just posted a new Every Frame A Painting, this time on how Vancouver is anonymous in films.

Funnily enough, I didn't see this from my YouTube feed, but by reading the newspaper and seeing an article about his video, and how the city is responding to that criticism of looking "generic" by having future building projects being designed by international and local architects to be more unique and eye-catching. I thought that was pretty cool, though I can't seem to find the article online, so if you see a copy of The Vancouver Sun around, give it a read.

Jimbot posted:

Kojima is actually a genius. You know how many women send pictures of themselves wearing that dumb Quiet outfit? From the retweets of them, a whole hell of a lot. It's a vehicle to get women to send pictures of themselves to him and it worked loving flawlessly. He wields a power that all men wish they had.

I coulda sworn in an interview last year he said it was for that very reason he picked her design to be so revealing.

Alacron
Feb 15, 2007

-->Have tearful reunion with your son
-->Eh
Fun Shoe
There's a part of me that wants to believe that Kojima was going for some sort of commentary with Quiet, since she gets set on fire at the beginning of the game and the next time you see her it's all bikinis and pantyhose, like it's a Bullshit Science way of dealing with burn trauma. Like, from the moment you first recruit her the camera starts getting all up in her rear end and between her tits, ogling her at every opportunity, but then you put two and two together and realize she's the one who got the fire bath at the beginning and then you just feel disgusted with yourself, and every subsequent butt shot has a sense of wrongness the same way that putting a child soldier in your crosshair does. The whole photosynthesis explanation fucks with that idea though.

It also isn't helped that most gamers don't have nearly the self-awareness necessary to feel any sort of shame when blatantly objectifying women, so any intended message beyond "Wank Material" is bound to go right over most guys' heads.

Probably giving Kojima too much credit, but that was my thinking early on. :shrug:

Linear Zoetrope
Nov 28, 2011

A hero must cook
Kojima is a writer where you're almost never exactly sure whether you're giving him too much or not enough credit. I'll grant him that he usually has a point to his stories, and when they fall apart at least they fall apart in interesting ways which is more than you can say for a hell of a lot of games. I think somewhere there's an alternative universe where he became a filmmaker and alternate universe Kyle is reviewing his films.

With The Quiet specifically though, while there very well could be some point he was trying to make, let us also not forget that we're talking about a game made by someone who sprinkles literal softcore porn mags and posters all over his games. In fact, the fact that he does that almost makes me want to take him at his word that it wasn't just/primarily for fanservice. Almost.

Linear Zoetrope fucked around with this message at 02:26 on Sep 17, 2015

Zephirum
Jan 7, 2011

Lipstick Apathy
Who are the Patriots is Hideo Kojima?
:iiam:

Calaveron
Aug 7, 2006
:negative:
Quiet is always half-naked because there are parasites inside her that basically turn her into a plant: she photosynthesizes and requires plenty of water and oxygen, absorbed through her skin because she basically has no organs left.
There are at least two other characters who have her condition, but they are fully clothed at all times, make of that what you will.

Neddy Seagoon
Oct 12, 2012

"Hi Everybody!"

Calaveron posted:

Quiet is always half-naked because there are parasites inside her that basically turn her into a plant: she photosynthesizes and requires plenty of water and oxygen, absorbed through her skin because she basically has no organs left.
There are at least two other characters who have her condition, but they are fully clothed at all times, make of that what you will.

No, there's actually a reason to that. Their lungs work properly. Hers got burned to poo poo by Ishmael lighting her on fire in the prologue. It's still dumb as hell though.



Jsor posted:

Kojima is a writer where you're almost never exactly sure whether you're giving him too much or not enough credit. I'll grant him that he usually has a point to his stories, and when they fall apart at least they fall apart in interesting ways which is more than you can say for a hell of a lot of games. I think somewhere there's an alternative universe where he became a filmmaker and alternate universe Kyle is reviewing his films.

With The Quiet specifically though, while there very well could be some point he was trying to make, let us also not forget that we're talking about a game made by someone who sprinkles literal softcore porn mags and posters all over his games. In fact, the fact that he does that almost makes me want to take him at his word that it wasn't just/primarily for fanservice. Almost.

The problem is you could write the same concept with a tanktop and shorts, rather than torn stockings and a thong. Quiet as a character otherwise is not bad at all, but all the idle animations in her cell at Mother Base and in the ACC are very clearly fanservice-focussed.

DeusExMachinima
Sep 2, 2012

:siren:This poster loves police brutality, but only when its against minorities!:siren:

Put this loser on ignore immediately!
Yeah so Kojima pretty obviously wants hot women to tweet pics in his dream fetish outfit for the rest of his life. He has succeeded 110% and if I were him I'd do it too if I could. Does anyone seriously believe we're supposed to feel ashamed? /discussion

Linear Zoetrope
Nov 28, 2011

A hero must cook
Oh man oh man Todd released a Cinemadonna on Evita!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIGXFN3NRuY

I have a connection to this movie because my senior high school marching band show was arranged around Madonna's version of Evita and it was the first time we got the highest ranking at the big competitions around us in over 50 years. But I've never seen the musical or film so I always wondered how it was.

Neddy Seagoon posted:

The problem is you could write the same concept with a tanktop and shorts, rather than torn stockings and a thong. Quiet as a character otherwise is not bad at all, but all the idle animations in her cell at Mother Base and in the ACC are very clearly fanservice-focussed.

No arguments there.

Linear Zoetrope fucked around with this message at 04:47 on Sep 17, 2015

Cyron
Mar 10, 2014

by zen death robot
kojima is the same guy who made a game to troll the ever living gently caress out of his fans for lawls, he is a hero to mankind.

Tired Moritz
Mar 25, 2012

wish Lowtax would get tired of YOUR POSTS

(n o i c e)
I would be offended by Quiet but then I remember the raiden scene in mgs2.

Calaveron
Aug 7, 2006
:negative:

Neddy Seagoon posted:

No, there's actually a reason to that. Their lungs work properly. Hers got burned to poo poo by Ishmael lighting her on fire in the prologue. It's still dumb as hell though.

Pretty sure a tape mentions that Skull Face is also all hosed up inside and is only alive due to the parasites, much like Quiet.

Spark That Bled
Jan 29, 2010

Hungry for responsibility. Horny for teamwork.

And ready to
BUST A NUT
up in this job!

Skills include:
EIGHT-FOOT VERTICAL LEAP

DeusExMachinima posted:

Yeah so Kojima pretty obviously wants hot women to tweet pics in his dream fetish outfit for the rest of his life. He has succeeded 110% and if I were him I'd do it too if I could. Does anyone seriously believe we're supposed to feel ashamed? /discussion

For all I know or care, it's deliberately taking the concept of the fetish outfits with excuses in the setting and storyline to the most extreme possible. That's really the only way The Quiet's clothing choices come off as.

Puppy Time
Mar 1, 2005


Neddy Seagoon posted:

The problem is you could write the same concept with a tanktop and shorts, rather than torn stockings and a thong. Quiet as a character otherwise is not bad at all, but all the idle animations in her cell at Mother Base and in the ACC are very clearly fanservice-focussed.

Yeah, an actual human soldier in that situation would probably at least opt for a sports bra, rather than a top that she would pop out of all the time. But proper tit support isn't all that sexy so...

PiedPiper
Jan 1, 2014

Puppy Time posted:

But proper tit support isn't all that sexy
How dare you, sir!

BottledBodhisvata
Jul 26, 2013

by Lowtax
I think it's fine to say Quiet's outfit is weird/silly/dumb/whatever

I think it's stupid to say Quiet's outfit is emblematic of how video games oppress women

also


Cyron posted:

kojima is the same guy who made a game to troll the ever living gently caress out of his fans for lawls, he is a hero to mankind.

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watho
Aug 2, 2013


The real world will, again tomorrow, function and run without me.

BottledBodhisvata posted:

I think it's stupid to say Quiet's outfit is emblematic of how video games oppress women

Well, it's good that nobody is saying that then!

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