|
Antti posted:I'm only 40 minutes in but when she gave this answer my eyes just kept going wider and wider as the answer kept going and going. Oh gently caress - she wants to go to war with Russia Holy loving poo poo
|
#
?
Sep 17, 2015 14:40
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 30, 2024 12:13 |
|
|
EugeneJ posted:I missed most of the debate- what did Carly say that was so insane? A detailed plan for kidnapping her clone and stealing her ovaries
|
|
#
?
Sep 17, 2015 14:41
|
|
|
EugeneJ posted:Oh gently caress - she wants to go to war with Russia Let me tell you how Planned Parenthood and Iran are really the same thing Biggest applause of the night so far for that one.
|
|
#
?
Sep 17, 2015 14:46
|
|
|
I hope Carly goes far so we have a comeback of the child engulfed in nuclear hellfire ad
|
|
#
?
Sep 17, 2015 14:49
|
|
|
Hodgepodge posted:You see, on the left we like to quietly forget about dumb arguments that have been ripped to shreds instead of reposting them over and over because we think in memes rather than ideas. lol you're just blatantly lying now, you tried to pretend that everything in there was "ripped to shreds" (they weren't) and that it isn't extensively sourced
|
|
#
?
Sep 17, 2015 14:54
|
|
|
A lot has been said about Carly's fascist ideas, but I'd just like to throw out that one of the last things Huckabee said that night was one of the most nakedly fascist things I've ever heard. The part about having a friendly society that "respects the police" and has a strong military specifically.
|
|
#
?
Sep 17, 2015 14:56
|
|
|
Brannock posted:
I was half a bottle in at this point and started to see only colors and vibrations, so I missed a lot of Fiorina bullshit. What she lay out that was especially bad?
|
|
#
?
Sep 17, 2015 14:58
|
|
|
Testing the waters this morning, I think Ben Carson is going to be the huge loser after last night. Fiorina is going to eat up some of his support. Trump will probably hold steady. The people who keep wanting to compare to 2012 may be half right. Trump isn't a not-Jeb! candidate, he's the Romney here. Carson, Fiorina, etc. will be the not-Trumps who rise and fall.
|
|
#
?
Sep 17, 2015 14:59
|
|
|
Shageletic posted:I was half a bottle in at this point and started to see only colors and vibrations, so I missed a lot of Fiorina bullshit. What she lay out that was especially bad? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KsHygynjDbY there were some other stuff sprinkled throughout the debate as well, like her stance on russia huckabee was scary too
|
|
#
?
Sep 17, 2015 15:02
|
|
|
Has anyone ran the numbers on his much Carly is going to grow the military? She was oddly specific at one point.
|
|
#
?
Sep 17, 2015 15:06
|
|
|
Boosted_C5 posted:Testing the waters this morning, I think Ben Carson is going to be the huge loser after last night. Fiorina is going to eat up some of his support. Completely agree. Ben was awful. I had to listen to it on the radio and he sounded like he didn't even want to be there. I think he was shooting for sensible but came off as tranquilized.
|
|
#
?
Sep 17, 2015 15:07
|
|
|
Boosted_C5 posted:Testing the waters this morning, I think Ben Carson is going to be the huge loser after last night. Fiorina is going to eat up some of his support. I've been thinking this for a while and still don't understand Ben Carson's surge, and I don't think he can hold those numbers for very long. I don't like Fiorina and her plans for world domination, *BUT* I understand why republican voters like her. She's at least got some personality, Ben Carson sounded like he downed a bottle of nyquil before the show.
|
|
#
?
Sep 17, 2015 15:09
|
|
|
Carla's fascist rants and abortion blood libel really took the comedic fun out of the night
|
|
#
?
Sep 17, 2015 15:10
|
|
|
The Nastier Nate posted:I've been thinking this for a while and still don't understand Ben Carson's surge, and I don't think he can hold those numbers for very long. I don't like Fiorina and her plans for world domination, *BUT* I understand why republican voters like her. She's at least got some personality, Ben Carson sounded like he downed a bottle of nyquil before the show. Carson is a prime target for low info voters that want to sound intelligent (anti-Trump) but also despise Jeb and the rest of the establishment. What's not to like about a quiet, thoughtful neurosurgeon?
|
|
#
?
Sep 17, 2015 15:14
|
|
|
euphronius posted:Carla's fascist rants and abortion blood libel really took the comedic fun out of the night Holy poo poo I forgot completely about the tiny-legs-kicking, heart-beating fetus baby
|
|
#
?
Sep 17, 2015 15:15
|
|
|
Patter Song posted:The most amazing thing last night: MDs Ben Carson (a legendary pediatric neurosurgeon) and Rand Paul had the opportunity to totally gently caress over Trump on an issue Trump was clearly in crazytown on. They instead bailed him out. How pissed must Jeb Bush have been when Paul and Carson gave Trump a pass on this? I think at this point a few people at the podium are starting to accept two realities about this election: they're probably not going to win, and they're definitely not going to win by attacking the guy who has his finger on the pulse of the electorate. Carson and Cruz in particular are angling themselves to be Trump's number two. Bush and Paul, presumably because they've had the poo poo beaten out of them from stepping in front of Trump already, were obviously trying to just stay out of the way on issues of actual substance. Which, considering how hour one of the debate went, is probably a smart idea.
|
|
#
?
Sep 17, 2015 15:16
|
|
|
York_M_Chan posted:Completely agree. Ben was awful. I had to listen to it on the radio and he sounded like he didn't even want to be there. I think he was shooting for sensible but came off as tranquilized. I think he was trying to calculate his answers in a peaceful way, but television debates are high octane, so he just came off as Ambien: The Guy. The Nastier Nate posted:I've been thinking this for a while and still don't understand Ben Carson's surge, and I don't think he can hold those numbers for very long. He was the first in a long line of Not-Trumps the media threw at Donald to try to de-throne him. It didn't work, so now Fiorina will be up to bat.
|
|
#
?
Sep 17, 2015 15:16
|
|
|
Brannock posted:Holy poo poo I forgot completely about the tiny-legs-kicking, heart-beating fetus baby Which was already shown to not be true and completely fabricated. "Go watch this video with a voice over a thing that isn't relevant to what I'm talking about" Bad.
|
|
#
?
Sep 17, 2015 15:18
|
|
|
The Nastier Nate posted:I've been thinking this for a while and still don't understand Ben Carson's surge, and I don't think he can hold those numbers for very long. I don't like Fiorina and her plans for world domination, *BUT* I understand why republican voters like her. She's at least got some personality, Ben Carson sounded like he downed a bottle of nyquil before the show. Read one of Carson's books or watch his TV biopic or an inspirational lecture of his or something instead of him being shout over by 10 blowhards competing for sound bites. It's hard not to like him as a person of accomplishment over adversity. Him and Ted Cruz took the same basic approach which was to respect the debate rules with restraint and modesty while focusing instead on grassroots organization and fundraising. Carson and Cruz have a huge amount of respect amongst conservative Americans for their principles and demeanor.
|
|
#
?
Sep 17, 2015 15:18
|
|
|
I thought the 'not-Romneys' would take turns beating Romney in the polls. Nobody has even come close to touching Trump. Trump is not the 'not-Romney' not even close. He's a whole other kind of special animal. Why doesn't the GOP establishment come out in full support of Trump? Seems like a quick way to sap his grassroots support IMO.
|
|
#
?
Sep 17, 2015 15:21
|
|
|
What's interesting is that Carson and Fiorina seem to appeal to different bases, Carson was all about the evangelicals, Fiorina is angling for neocons. If I wanted Forever War I'd vote for Fiorina over Jeb! because while Jeb! would just restart the eternal Bush Family vs Iraq war, with Fiorina we'd be rolling into wherever she decides to invade (sounded like more or less everywhere, all at the same time) with metal gears and orbital death lasers by 2018.
|
|
#
?
Sep 17, 2015 15:26
|
|
|
I'm not a fan of her rhetoric either, but neoconservatism and fascism are two different things guys.
|
|
#
?
Sep 17, 2015 15:27
|
|
|
Smoothrich posted:Read one of Carson's books or watch his TV biopic or an inspirational lecture of his or something instead of him being shout over by 10 blowhards competing for sound bites. It's hard not to like him as a person of accomplishment over adversity. I think Carson would make a legitimately decent Head of Health and Human Services in a republican cabinet if one wins the white house, but your crazy ideas of "restraint" and "modesty" have no place in a GOP primary. If there's one thing I've learned from this election, it's that there is a huge gap between what republican establishment politicians claim their voters want, and what the base actually wants, and a silly little thing like following the rules doesn't even come close.
|
|
#
?
Sep 17, 2015 15:29
|
|
|
Joementum posted:I'm not a fan of her rhetoric either, but neoconservatism and fascism are two different things guys. I have to agree, she didn't talk much about how great or not-great-enough America is or about nationalist/white power stuff, she just sounded like she really, really wants to murder a shitton of people with a gigantic military, while giving speeches about Lady Liberty's swift sword or whatever.
|
|
#
?
Sep 17, 2015 15:30
|
|
|
Joementum posted:I'm not a fan of her rhetoric either, but neoconservatism and fascism are two different things guys. Care to explain the difference? Is Fascism just neoconservatism with more flags?
|
|
#
?
Sep 17, 2015 15:34
|
|
|
Venom Snake posted:what does this world salad even mean? You know that Bernie would get the same money she does right if he was the democratic front runner with like 1/3+ of the endorsements before the first state primary even begins. there are more quangos and ways to obscure undemocratic deals. There wasn't a Johnson foundation with international pull before LBJ was even in office. haha ok ideological purity?  isn't an impure ideology, she is the mercenary absence of onesad we have to wait for one of only six debates to make this obvious
|
|
#
?
Sep 17, 2015 15:34
|
|
|
Jastiger posted:Care to explain the difference? Very simply: one is directed inward, the other outward.
|
|
#
?
Sep 17, 2015 15:35
|
|
|
Joementum posted:I'm not a fan of her rhetoric either, but neoconservatism and fascism are two different things guys. I did not come to bring Liberty, for Justice bears a sword.
|
|
#
?
Sep 17, 2015 15:35
|
|
|
Sardonik posted:A lot has been said about Carly's fascist ideas, but I'd just like to throw out that one of the last things Huckabee said that night was one of the most nakedly fascist things I've ever heard. The part about having a friendly society that "respects the police" and has a strong military specifically. I was most put off by Christie's "it's not good enough to punish crimes after they happen, we need to punish crimes before they occur" bit personally
|
|
#
?
Sep 17, 2015 15:35
|
|
|
The definition of fascism is very broad and the adjective fascist is even broader.
|
|
#
?
Sep 17, 2015 15:36
|
|
|
Joementum posted:Very simply: one is directed inward, the other outward. This sounds like something a communist would say.
|
|
#
?
Sep 17, 2015 15:42
|
|
|
Joementum status: outed
|
|
#
?
Sep 17, 2015 15:43
|
|
|
It actually just sounds like something any sensible person with even a cursory knowledge of the respective ideologies would say tbh
|
|
#
?
Sep 17, 2015 15:45
|
|
|
Bryter posted:It actually just sounds like something any sensible person with even a cursory knowledge of the respective ideologies would say tbh Or I was trying to make a post on how people fling around ideological words with no idea of what they mean [something joe is not guilty of] and its early and my office is on fire so it kind of sucked 
|
|
#
?
Sep 17, 2015 15:47
|
|
|
They both spill outward tho, no matter where they were supposed to b focused.
|
|
#
?
Sep 17, 2015 15:49
|
|
|
Immortan posted:New thread topic. Who's more batshit: Fiorina, Fuckabee, or Cruz? Jindal?
|
|
#
?
Sep 17, 2015 15:51
|
|
|
euphronius posted:The definition of fascism is very broad and the adjective fascist is even broader. It was also practiced rather differently under different rulers (eg Franco vs Hitler), making it a bit tricky to nail down even before the cultural use of the term comes in. It is probably more useful to differentiate the strains just like how communism you split between Marxism, Trotskyism, Leninist, Leninist-Stalinist, anarchist, etc
|
|
#
?
Sep 17, 2015 15:51
|
|
|
Boosted_C5 posted:Testing the waters this morning, I think Ben Carson is going to be the huge loser after last night. Fiorina is going to eat up some of his support. I agree with a lot of this but here's what I am noticing from "the base": 1. Trump looked calm and more presidential than in the first debate - This actually helped him with people who were on the fence about him. 2. This "being more calm" shtick could work against him since there are is a ton of chatter about Carly this morning, and not Trump. The thing that hurts Trump here is that he doesn't have an angle out of this debate. Last time it was so obvious what FOX was doing to him so he owned the news cycle with his war on FOX/Megyn Kelly. This time all the headlines are about Fiorina. Unless he and his surrogates can spin this he'll lose attention, and some numbers. Jastiger posted:Care to explain the difference? No. Fascists would give you healthcare and free education if you were AMERICAN, and believed in AMERICA, and cleanse you if you were not. Neocons would never GIVE you anything, the government's only job is to invade other places and give corporations help, since bootstraps. Montasque fucked around with this message at 16:02 on Sep 17, 2015 |
|
#
?
Sep 17, 2015 15:52
|
|
|
Schnorkles posted:Or I was trying to make a post on how people fling around ideological words with no idea of what they mean [something joe is not guilty of] and its early and my office is on fire so it kind of sucked Yeah I realised after I posted that  Ironically enough there's a good chance you're not too far off the mark when you call any ex-lf poster a communist Sancho posted:They both spill outward tho, no matter where they were supposed to b focused. There's nothing in fascism as an ideology that mandates an outward focus, though. When it does occur, it's a result of revanchism or imperialism, which aren't inherently linked to it. Bryter fucked around with this message at 15:59 on Sep 17, 2015 |
|
#
?
Sep 17, 2015 15:53
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 30, 2024 12:13 |
|
|
Montasque posted:This time all the headlines are about Fiorina. Unless he and his surrogates can spin this he'll lose attention, and some numbers. It's all chatter about Firiona wrt Trump. They're both all over the news.
|
|
#
?
Sep 17, 2015 15:54
|
|