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LemonDrizzle posted:I don't understand some of these entries. For example, "bounty prizes" appears as both a sink and a faucet, but appears to be a larger faucet than it is a sink. My understanding was that when player A puts a bounty on player B, people who kill player B receive a payout that is proportional to the price of the destroyed ship/pod up to the value of the assigned bounty, so the bounty system as a whole should be ISK-neutral (disregarding the insurance payouts for the destroyed ships, which are accounted for separately). Where is the 'extra' ISK in the bounty system coming from? Also, "NPC commodities" are a really large ISK faucet - is that just wormhole players cashing in blue loot, people selling tags to NPC buy orders, and DED plex boxes? There are an awful amount of “bounty” entries in the list they show in the o7 show. I've split them up as best as I can determine, with the big one labelled “Bounty Prizes” clearly being just your regular ratting bounties (missions, anomalies, belt rats etc). The others seem to be more connected to the player bounties, but I'm not well-versed enough in the intricacies of the system to tell you exactly how the different ways of putting ISK in and out of them translate into the labels they've used. Bounties that just run out — where the character goes inactive for long enough or gets deleted — are half-reimbursed and half-sunk if I remember correctly, and there are a couple of other ways for ISK to leave the system, but it'll depend a lot on how they actually count it all internally. So to actually answer your question: no idea, until/unless they release the full report and clarify it, but it's quite likely that it's an artefact of how the ISK flows are represented in the DB and of what they show up as in your wallet history. e: The entry that really confuses me is the “Corporate reward payout” one… I'm guessing that it's a reward for some piece of content I don't engage in, but if anyone can clear that one up it would be great.  e2: Thinking about it for a little longer than 2 seconds, the “extra” bounty ISK isn't all that mysterious. All that it requires is for CCP to treat player bounties much the same way they do insurance payments: when a player pays for the bounty/insurance, it is not put in escrow as it would be with a market order (since there's no way of knowing before the fact whether the money will return to anyone or not), but rather simply counted as a sink. When they pay out, the payment is counted as a separate faucet. The “extra” cash simply comes from the fact that this is for July only, and that bounty placement and pay-out are completely separate in time. What we're seeing, then, is just the effect of tons of old bounties being paid out and relatively few new ones being put up during this particular period. Tippis fucked around with this message at 15:09 on Sep 19, 2015 |
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Tippis posted:There are an awful amount of “bounty” entries in the list they show in the o7 show. I've split them up as best as I can determine, with the big one labelled “Bounty Prizes” clearly being just your regular ratting bounties (missions, anomalies, belt rats etc). Dividends, maybe? That's a thing you can do with shares, isn't it?
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TimNeilson posted:Dividends, maybe? That's a thing you can do with shares, isn't it? Nah. They come straight out of the corporation master wallet — no ISK is created (it would be a spectacularly broken thing if it did: free cash for everyone as rapidly as you can push the button.  ).
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The corporation tax takes a share on player bounties. Perhaps it refers to the corp bounties collected by players in NPC corps.
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Sep 19, 2015 15:34
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I'm betting corporate reward payout is Incursions - since the rewards are issued by concord reward for the site being completed, not as bounties on the rats being destroyed.
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grymwulf posted:I'm betting corporate reward payout is Incursions - since the rewards are issued by concord reward for the site being completed, not as bounties on the rats being destroyed. Incursion payouts do show as corporation rewards, so this is likely the answer.
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ullerrm posted:Do you know how many months Lex Arson flew a super in PL without having Fighter Bombers Like 1 since he didn't last that long if I remember correctly. I recall he wouldn't get anyone in his fleets when he'd ping for one and that made him mad because "I'm Lex Arson from TISHU, you should know me" or something like that. I did hear he got forever banned from PL's services because he was like "dudes I'm gonna quit to go take care of my corp, no hard feelings we're still bros" and SNIGG were like "yeah sure man, no problemo come back whenever" and then like two days later he was leading a fleet alongside BL or whoever to kill PL supers. Then later on when Horde was formed he got services to the mumble (because we don't care about spies in Horde), and he'd only log in for like a minute to see what the Horde fleet was doing and then suddenly a few minutes later TISHU would be there with Battleships or w/e that heavily outnumbered/outgunned the Horde fleet. He got called out one time for it by Grath and he pretended like it never happened etc. despite the logs and timings of poo poo. When Grath purged him fully from PL services he complained because he couldn't understand why Grath would have a problem with the dude doing all that. Long story short, Lex is a dumbass who can't understand why people dislike him. Khablam posted:No one is telling anyone what they can and cannot use, there is simply a base requirement for strat use / SRP. I think the Supercap group has a bunch of requirements to get into it, but if you want to roll along in say an Archon on a cap op you can. You're just expected to have/know what you're supposed to have fit and if you don't you get mocked. Mekchu fucked around with this message at 17:18 on Sep 19, 2015 |
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Tippis posted:e2: Thinking about it for a little longer than 2 seconds, the “extra” bounty ISK isn't all that mysterious. All that it requires is for CCP to treat player bounties much the same way they do insurance payments: when a player pays for the bounty/insurance, it is not put in escrow as it would be with a market order (since there's no way of knowing before the fact whether the money will return to anyone or not), but rather simply counted as a sink. When they pay out, the payment is counted as a separate faucet. The “extra” cash simply comes from the fact that this is for July only, and that bounty placement and pay-out are completely separate in time. What we're seeing, then, is just the effect of tons of old bounties being paid out and relatively few new ones being put up during this particular period.
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LemonDrizzle posted:That makes sense, thank you. Looking at the trillion contribution club entries, rats (whether in anoms, missions, or exploration sites) are the #1 isk faucet at 27 trillion ISK/month, followed by commodities (mainly wormhole blue loot?) at 15 trillion and then incursions at 8 trillion. I'm kind of amazed that wormholes and incursions are pumping *that* much ISK into the game tbh. It makes a lot more sense once you consider how loud w-spacers and incursion runners get at the mere suggestion that maybe their rewards should be adjusted…
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Unfunny Poster posted:Like 1 since he didn't last that long if I remember correctly. I recall he wouldn't get anyone in his fleets when he'd ping for one and that made him mad because "I'm Lex Arson from TISHU, you should know me" or something like that. Even Ron Mexxico had a hell of a time getting people to fleet up with him and slummed with Waffles for a while late night- because if you're new to PL, you're new to PL. Just because you were space important somewhere else doesn't mean that follows with you, the only exception being a known bloc level FC (i.e. Makalu). Most of Lex's problems stemmed from him saying 'we have a fight on our hands' and it was really a POS save, which just happened to be one of his Moons he brought with him. PL never defended moons and just took them back when it was convenient (since they weren't alliance assets and belonged to individual members). TL;DR He pulled a boat, fooled people once, and nobody hosed with him after that. Unfunny Poster posted:I think the Supercap group has a bunch of requirements to get into it, but if you want to roll along in say an Archon on a cap op you can. You're just expected to have/know what you're supposed to have fit and if you don't you get mocked. You can attend super ops, in a super, without having access to super channels. Players with supers access are pretty heavily audited, semi-regularly for proper fits, additional fittings, implants, skills, etc. If you're not toeing the line, you know and probably have a deadline to get your poo poo fixed. Xolve fucked around with this message at 18:07 on Sep 19, 2015 |
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NC. did just an API check and IIRC it was automated
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Xolve posted:You can attend super ops, in a super, without having access to super channels. Players with supers access are pretty heavily audited, semi-regularly for proper fits, additional fittings, implants, skills, etc. If you're not toeing the line, you know and probably have a deadline to get your poo poo fixed. I'm never gonna fly a super unless its to help Centra scam one. It's the only reason I have Gallente Carrier I too, Amarr supremacy 
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Unfunny Poster posted:Amarr supremacy armor trash
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Glory of Arioch posted:armor trash Amarr have laser disco .
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SugarAddict posted:Amarr have laser disco carriers don't shoot lasers 
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Tippis posted:There are an awful amount of “bounty” entries in the list they show in the o7 show. I've split them up as best as I can determine, with the big one labelled “Bounty Prizes” clearly being just your regular ratting bounties (missions, anomalies, belt rats etc). Corporate reward payout is incursion money from concord. I'm 100% certain Tippis.
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Kalenn Istarion posted:Corporate reward payout is incursion money from concord. I'm 100% certain Tippis. Excellent. Then I don't need to change it.
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Glory of Arioch posted:carriers don't shoot lasers Then don't pilot a carrier .
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If people are tired of waiting 24-48 hours for your stuff to get moved you should look into just post cheaper and moves a lot faster. It really works wonders especially if you are shipping to these system's ya0/ju/3t7. Something new was just released jabber bot notifications after registering on the website for notifications so you get pinged when your shipment comes in.
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SugarAddict posted:Then don't pilot a carrier That's not... He wasn't even... nevermind
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harlyq posted:If people are tired of waiting 24-48 hours for your stuff to get moved you should look into just post cheaper and moves a lot faster. It really works wonders especially if you are shipping to these system's ya0/ju/3t7. Something new was just released jabber bot notifications after registering on the website for notifications so you get pinged when your shipment comes in. Oh, ping notifications when a shipment arrives seem really cool. I might have to try them out.
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Kiryen posted:It appears to not actually be possible to put all the extra poo poo you're supposed to lug around with you into the cargo bay of the HML Tengu. Scale back the ammo as you need. That's what ammo trucks are for.
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Kiryen posted:It appears to not actually be possible to put all the extra poo poo you're supposed to lug around with you into the cargo bay of the HML Tengu. Even with a small standard container?
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Caryna posted:What kind of bribery are you using? My stuff tends to sit around for 24-48 hours before someone picks it up. I guess small volume with high'ish value isn't a favourite amongst space truckers, even if I'm paying 1.5x the base fee. Good thing I'm old and slow, so I'm in no real hurry. Use Just Post instead. It always gets all contracts delivered every day, regardless of what the collateral is. Usually around 11pm-1am EST. And they're cheaper too!
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harlyq posted:If people are tired of waiting 24-48 hours for your stuff to get moved you should look into just post cheaper and moves a lot faster. It really works wonders especially if you are shipping to these system's ya0/ju/3t7. Something new was just released jabber bot notifications after registering on the website for notifications so you get pinged when your shipment comes in. I use ITL for stuff and have never been dissatisfied with them. Granted, I usually tip close to 100%, but my contract tends to be low volume, high value, so it's little skin off of my back. They even rejected a 4b value contract I made that was item exchange instead of courier  now that's what I call service.
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Dr. Pangloss posted:Even with a small standard container? Gotta say I like using the container, at least for gambling purposes. When I stupidly lost my Tengu to a Fountain Core gatecamp, I only dropped about 10m in loot from a 650m ship+cargo.
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Kiryen posted:It appears to not actually be possible to put all the extra poo poo you're supposed to lug around with you into the cargo bay of the HML Tengu. Medium secure container. Poof, an extra 60m3 of cargo space.
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https://zkillboard.com/br/53707/ Join Holesquad.
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vulvamancer posted:Medium secure container. Poof, an extra 60m3 of cargo space. Problem solved; thanks!
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Unfunny Poster posted:I'm never gonna fly a super unless its to help Centra scam one. who is Centra
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Reverand maynard posted:who is Centra The king of k-pop.
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scandoslav posted:https://zkillboard.com/br/53707/ I hate that playing on the weekend is largely not possible for me.
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CashEnsign posted:The king of k-pop. Centra Spike is PSY?
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Reverand maynard posted:who is Centra He's a guy in HABIT who pretty much runs the @PLIRC twitter account. He wrote about how he stole BlueMelon's titan via a recruitment scam here: https://truestories.eveonline.com/truestories/ideas/820-guys-who-just-took-my-erebus.html Bluemelon was trying to get in to spy on PL, got figured out by Centra, and had his titan stolen. He also ended up in PL later on but I vaguely remember him being kicked for AT related stuff. Mekchu fucked around with this message at 02:32 on Sep 20, 2015 |
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DisgracelandUSA posted:4b value contract I made that was item exchange instead of courier Boat just did this yesterday with 4 separate contracts 
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gwrtheyrn posted:Boat just did this yesterday with 4 separate contracts that's because boat is an actual honest to god retard
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http://evf-eve.com/services/brcat/?s=3802&b=6688693&e=90&t=urrvaaaaf&r=1 BR isnt nearly as stacked as it seems since we werent in position to go after their carriers or most of the subs they also had around 30 supers that they held back at the last second. Good fight all around sadly I got primaried soon as I loaded grid  story: Snuff box has been talking a lot of poo poo since they started picking up bl refugee's (including elo knight himself) and has been swinging its caps around placid pushing shadow cartel/ dead terrorists and noct on the back foot. Noct have been our friends since we killed their wyvern on the fd- station years and years ago. So a noct tower gets hit and ipsumus and his bl splinter group hit us and up with the plan to pull all the dreads we could in the hopes of baiting an escalation. We stagger our dreads poorly and over escalate causing the supers who literally had their hands on jump to cyno to stand down  Snuff has now sworn to murder the oss so i'm sure that will turn out horribly and end up with like 40 of our dreads killed at some point in the future. vidoe: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7H-rhZ3_O9I Zasze fucked around with this message at 03:24 on Sep 20, 2015 |
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FruitNYogurtParfait posted:boat is an actual honest to god retard A statement everyone can agree with
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gwrtheyrn posted:Boat just did this yesterday with 4 separate contracts I keep on seeing more and more similarities between myself and boat  "Guys, we warped wrong gate, hit ctrl space, stop your ship, don't jump, if you jumped you're dead. "
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