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I don't see the upside of losing transfer fees for football at all. If the argument is that they're against some EU laws, fine, I don't care about that. I'm just a honest man who cares about football. Like Sepp.
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I just think that Chelsea being able to play an eight team round robin with their squad is wrong and bad for football.
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Total Meatlove posted:I just think that Chelsea being able to play an eight team round robin with their squad is wrong and bad for football. Why?
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Sep 18, 2015 22:10
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chelsea is bad for football, I agree
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jyrka posted:I imagine they would go bust. Here's an interview with their chairman about their finances: http://www.crewechronicle.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/crewe-alex-chairman-calm-despite-5602784 a business executive claiming that the world will end if they had to follow a labor protection? well i never 
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Sep 18, 2015 23:41
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jyrka posted:Why?
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jyrka posted:This would kill football. I am 100% behind this
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Sep 19, 2015 02:01
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The problem isn't neccessarily that the suggested rules are completely bad. Its that the entire football ecomony is based on transfer fees existing so the transition to the new rules would be an utter disaster without all the rich clubs / leagues subsidising the income of poor clubs until the changes fully propagate. The vast majority of lower league clubs operate on such a delicate balance of finances that any change can completely gently caress them over, look at the ITV digital collapse, it led to about 20 clubs entering administration and about double that coming close, even relatively well run clubs like Norwich. Also who's going to run a youth academy in a world without transfer fees?
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Blue Star Error posted:The problem isn't neccessarily that the suggested rules are completely bad. Its that the entire football ecomony is based on transfer fees existing so the transition to the new rules would be an utter disaster without all the rich clubs / leagues subsidising the income of poor clubs until the changes fully propagate. Celtic
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Sep 19, 2015 05:53
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lol
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Sep 19, 2015 06:03
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Norwich just could have a bake sale
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Sep 19, 2015 06:27
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African AIDS cum posted:Celtic lmao
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Sep 19, 2015 07:02
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noncesense
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Crazy Ted posted:Because the loan system was never created with the intention of allowing clubs like Chelsea to collect 60+ senior players and send half of them out for the season. I agree that it's not the point of it but what realistic harm is it causing? Other than looking awkward on a wikipedia page. The players get a significant raise and their previous teams get a transfer fee plus future fees based on sell-on clauses. I don't like the hoarding aspect of it either but why is it bad?
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Sep 19, 2015 08:47
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Blue Star Error posted:The problem isn't neccessarily that the suggested rules are completely bad. Its that the entire football ecomony is based on transfer fees existing so the transition to the new rules would be an utter disaster without all the rich clubs / leagues subsidising the income of poor clubs until the changes fully propagate. So the current system is completely unstable without having special rules so workers receive less protection than they should have and human trafficking from poorer nations? Sounds like its time to burn it all to the ground.
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Sep 19, 2015 10:13
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Charlie Mopps posted:workers receive less protection than they should have How so?
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English lower league clubs are complicit in human trafficking from such far away countries as Scotland and Wales.
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Sep 19, 2015 10:23
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There should be much stricter enforcement of academy catchment area rules. None of this get parents a fake job stuff. But on the other hand the kids will get a much better footballing education and fulfil more of their potential than they would in Africa and Eastern Europe. Premier League academies are full of foreigners. It's a complicated issue.
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jyrka posted:How so? If i sign a fixed-term contract but decide i want to move to another employer, under Dutch law i have to pay the remaining months left on the contract in salary to my employer. If a footballer tries this he gets suspended due to Fifa rules and has to pay 'market value' to the club, which can be millions. So Fifa prohibits the right of movement for employers.
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Football is different from other jobs.
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jyrka posted:Football is different from other jobs. so is picking cotton e: also, you are obviously a labor lawyer, yes? explain to us the worldwide law that carves out fewer labor protections for professional athletes of your pet sport Lutha Mahtin fucked around with this message at 15:00 on Sep 19, 2015 |
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I'm a labour lawyer and he's right both legally and morally
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well that settles that
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There is a 0% chance the Union actually abolishes transfer fees. Start negotiations by asking for everything and so they can end up with an increase for the veteran minimum
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Lutha Mahtin posted:well that settles that How do you feel about other jobs with similar notoriously small labour pools that include non compete clauses in their contracts that prevent employees from moving to rival organisations?
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serious gaylord posted:How do you feel about other jobs with similar notoriously small labour pools that include non compete clauses in their contracts that prevent employees from moving to rival organisations? You're talking about Wall Street CEO's now?
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Lladre posted:You're talking about Wall Street CEO's now? We are talking about how evil Blatter is, and how we all hope he will fall off a stage and die this time. Everyone with the transfer-legal-mumbo-jumbo should gtfo and look towards the finance thread IMO.
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serious gaylord posted:How do you feel about other jobs with similar notoriously small labour pools that include non compete clauses in their contracts that prevent employees from moving to rival organisations? yes the contracts for top international business executives and like, really specialized senior professionals are completely the same. ibm has a stable of hundreds of senior computer engineers that they loan out to rivals just like manchester's sports man rental store. and small town businesses hire promising new business school graduates from poor countries in the hope of flipping them to top global companies for cash lmao and despite the fact that your moronically-framed question is incredibly offensive to anyone who cares about the rights of people who work for a living, i will answer your question: non-compete clauses in general are garbage because they heavily infringe on what i think any decent person would consider the basic human right to work. the fact that they are legal to various extents in many places does not somehow prove their validity, nor does your apologism for the divine right of capital to do what thou wilt
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Lutha Mahtin posted:yes the contracts for top international business executives and like, really specialized senior professionals are completely the same. ibm has a stable of hundreds of senior computer engineers that they loan out to rivals just like manchester's sports man rental store. and small town businesses hire promising new business school graduates from poor countries in the hope of flipping them to top global companies for cash lmao what is this gayness?
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Lutha Mahtin posted:yes the contracts for top international business executives and like, really specialized senior professionals are completely the same. ibm has a stable of hundreds of senior computer engineers that they loan out to rivals just like manchester's sports man rental store. and small town businesses hire promising new business school graduates from poor countries in the hope of flipping them to top global companies for cash lmao Despite this incredibly condescending tone, aren't recruiting companies doing that exact thing? I'm not saying it's right, but it certainly happens. Anyway, let's make sure we don't stray completely in to labor politics here and keep this about football. In fact, this probably should go in the finances thread, or maybe a new a new thread for contracts and stuff. Could be interesting if someone wants to make it.
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Lutha Mahtin posted:and despite the fact that your moronically-framed question is incredibly offensive to anyone who cares about the rights of people who work for a living We're talking about footballers keep up
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Sep 19, 2015 16:53
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Marching for Messi's right to avoid more taxes, pls join me.
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Sep 20, 2015 10:11
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Jack Warner set to be extradited to the US. http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/sep/21/jack-warner-fifa-extradition-us-step-closer
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Jack Warner is going to snitch on everyone, I'm licking my lips over here.
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Sep 21, 2015 22:47
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This is gonna be awesome.
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It'll be entertaining but not much use against other defendants. He's a completely untrustworthy witness that a jury will have a hard time believing.
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Sep 22, 2015 01:05
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Without Sepp this is all a nothingburger
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Sep 22, 2015 04:07
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Take this poo poo to the football finances thread
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E: not sure why I was missing the last couple of posts
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edit : nevermind didn't see GGs post
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