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Kind of got overshadowed by the Watson thing yesterday but Richard Burgon and Rebecca Long-Bailey, both new MPs from the last election and solid anti-austerity Lefties, got spots under McDonnell in the shadow front bench. Also Clive Lewis as a junior under Burnham and Cat Smith in equalities.
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Army higher ups are threatening military coup if Corbyn wins, apparently. We live in a democracy until it doesn't suit.
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Sep 20, 2015 00:38
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Sep 20, 2015 00:39
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Dabir posted:Source? You're not going to get a source.
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Sep 20, 2015 00:43
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Generals quitting the army and moaning is a very British coup indeed. What a bizarre interpretation.
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Sep 20, 2015 00:44
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I think "direct action" should be read as top brass publicly attacking Corbyn in the press rather than a coup threat
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Sep 20, 2015 00:45
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kustomkarkommando posted:I think "direct action" should be read as top brass publicly attacking Corbyn in the press rather than a coup threat Its almost like they leave the phraseology deliberately vague in order to leave themselves wiggle room in case anybody calls them on their bullshit.
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Sep 20, 2015 00:48
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And loving really, what sort of "direct challenge" can a General threaten that isn't a coup? A general has no authority over a democratically elected prime minister. Threatening a "challenge" is absolutely a veiled threat of a coup.
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Sep 20, 2015 00:52
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It's literally there in the article you don't need to speculate.
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Oberleutnant posted:And loving really, what sort of "direct challenge" can a General threaten that isn't a coup? A general has no authority over a democratically elected prime minister. Threatening a "challenge" is absolutely a veiled threat of a coup. Maybe they'll do a sit in protest.
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Military brass threatens "direct action" at the possibility of a left wing leader this has never happened in recent history so I have no frame of reference for what this could mean.
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Oberleutnant posted:And loving really, what sort of "direct challenge" can a General threaten that isn't a coup? A general has no authority over a democratically elected prime minister. Threatening a "challenge" is absolutely a veiled threat of a coup. I think top brass giving interviews with their name attached saying "Corbyn is a threat to our national security!" is a direct challenge
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Sep 20, 2015 01:00
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While it's absurd to consider Russia a threat to the UK it's quite sensible to imagine tanks on Downing Street
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Sep 20, 2015 01:03
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kustomkarkommando posted:Kind of got overshadowed by the Watson thing yesterday but Richard Burgon and Rebecca Long-Bailey, both new MPs from the last election and solid anti-austerity Lefties, got spots under McDonnell in the shadow front bench. My housemate works for Rebecca, she's nice. She nominated Corbyn too, I was expecting her to get a slightly bigger role.
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Sep 20, 2015 01:16
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Now if Corbyn keeps being democratic and letting the broader party decide policy, is he actually going to go into the 2020 elections with any of the planks of his platform remaining? 60% of the labour party membership voted him in because he was anti-war, anti-austerity and up for building new homes and shoring up the diminished welfare state, but if he has to compromise on such things from day one is there going to be anything left worth voting for?
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Sep 20, 2015 07:01
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Being pro trident isn't being 'pro war'.
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Sep 20, 2015 07:13
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When the other Labour leadership candidates were seen to compromise their principles in the pragmatic pursuit of power it was a vile traitorous selfish betrayal of the glorious proletarian revolution - when Corbyn compromises his principles in the pragmatic pursuit of power it's "democratic". I'll admit that "party democracy" is an ingenious get-out clause when someone calls you out on your hypocrisy and inconsistency, though - opponents can't attack your platform if you don't even have one.
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Sep 20, 2015 07:20
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How many slaves would Corbyn need to own for you to give him the benefit of the doubt?
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Sep 20, 2015 07:35
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TomViolence posted:Now if Corbyn keeps being democratic and letting the broader party decide policy, is he actually going to go into the 2020 elections with any of the planks of his platform remaining? 60% of the labour party membership voted him in because he was anti-war, anti-austerity and up for building new homes and shoring up the diminished welfare state, but if he has to compromise on such things from day one is there going to be anything left worth voting for? He's said that he wants the membership to be involved directly in the formation of policy. If that works as planned them presumably he wont need to compromise on the big issues and he'll get an easy way out for things like his position on the monarchy. Seems to be trying to sidestep a lot of the established party apparatus.
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Pissflaps posted:Generals quitting the army and moaning is a very British coup indeed. What a bizarre interpretation. A 'top general' threatening "direct action", "a direct challenge from the army" and "mutiny" sounds like a pretty unambiguous threat to me.
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Pistol_Pete posted:A 'top general' threatening "direct action", "a direct challenge from the army" and "mutiny" sounds like a pretty unambiguous threat to me. It might if you chose to ignore all the other words the same person said.
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Sep 20, 2015 08:00
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TomViolence posted:Now if Corbyn keeps being democratic and letting the broader party decide policy, is he actually going to go into the 2020 elections with any of the planks of his platform remaining? 60% of the labour party membership voted him in because he was anti-war, anti-austerity and up for building new homes and shoring up the diminished welfare state, but if he has to compromise on such things from day one is there going to be anything left worth voting for? The obvious answer to this is to say "Don't just join to vote Corbyn and leave; stay in the party and guide its direction." If the party membership manages to force him away from those positions, it would seem to me that his supporters must have failed, not him.
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Sep 20, 2015 08:00
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Yeah it's pretty obvious that the only way Corbyn can beat back the right-wing blairite twats is by reinvigorating the grassroots and having them play a much larger role in deciding policy over the PLP, he's been talking about the wider party deciding policy for ages.
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Sep 20, 2015 08:02
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Mister Adequate posted:it would seem to me that his supporters must have failed, not him. Corbyn, like Juche, cannot fail - only be failed.
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Sep 20, 2015 08:14
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A sorta awkward apology on The Guardian about its treatment of Corbyn. EDIT: they've changed the headline from "Our treatment of Corbyn failed our readers"
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Sep 20, 2015 08:26
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Baron Corbyn posted:A sorta awkward apology on The Guardian about its treatment of Corbyn. Technically from the Observer than the Guardian, which has different editorial lines, but worth it for this: - Ed Vulliamy posted:Of course the rest of the media were in on the offensive. Our sister paper the Guardian had endorsed a candidate who lost, humiliated; the Tory press barons performed to script.
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Sep 20, 2015 08:48
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Party Boat posted:How many slaves would Corbyn need to own for you to give him the benefit of the doubt? is there a pro-slavery post by kapparomeo that i've missed
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Jose posted:is there a pro-slavery post by kapparomeo that i've missed
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As long as the Guardian remains a place for varied discussion then good on them, their increasing use of editorial "our view" on benign topics is rather dull though. Rusbridger would never have allowed it. In other news, the rather disturbingly named and run Behavioural Insights Team (them of nudge theory fame) have been going around prisons "persuading" foreign criminals to leave the country. quote:David Cameron is sending a crack team of experts into one of Britain’s toughest jails – to politely persuade foreign criminals to leave the country.
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Sep 20, 2015 09:11
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Check his rap sheet for some really weasely apologia.
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tdrules posted:In other news, the rather disturbingly named and run Behavioural Insights Team (them of nudge theory fame) have been going around prisons "persuading" foreign criminals to leave the country. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7thVTlXWus
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Sep 20, 2015 09:36
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Corbyn puts issues to a party vote - 'so-called' " "democracy" " not like a real, pragmatic leader 
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Jose posted:is there a pro-slavery post by kapparomeo that i've missed I think they're basing it off a post I made back in a British Empire thread where I observed that African states were themselves practitioners of slavery and the European powers acquired slaves because the African powers sold them, so African countries should demand reparations and apologies from each other as much as us - somehow this gets contorted into me outright endorsing slavery, as what I actually said matters far less than having a convenient method to change the subject and deflect attention away from threatening counterarguments. For myself, I deplore slavery and consider it to be an unhappy relic of a bygone age that we eventually broke from and developed beyond. Not only did we abolish it, we then actively fought to suppress it - which makes it incredibly sad that when socialism came along it undid that good work, reversed the clock a century and brought slavery back into the modern world. But Party Boat successfully distracted the thread from focusing on the awkward topic of Corbyn's hypocrisy, lack of leadership, and continued failure to introduce the 'radical alternative non-mainstream politics' that he promised us, so he can give himself a pat on the back on behalf of the Revolution, I guess.
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kapparomeo posted:I think they're basing it off a post I made back in a British Empire thread where I observed that African states were themselves practitioners of slavery and the European powers acquired slaves because the African powers sold them, so African countries should demand reparations and apologies from each other as much as us - somehow this gets contorted into me outright endorsing slavery, as what I actually said matters far less than having a convenient method to change the subject and deflect attention away from threatening counterarguments. stfu omg
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Oberleutnant posted:stfu omg A disappointing response to a well constructed post.
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Sep 20, 2015 09:48
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Pissflaps posted:A disappointing response to a well constructed post. I wouldnt know i didnt read it (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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kapparomeo posted:But Party Boat successfully distracted the thread from focusing on the awkward topic of Corbyn's hypocrisy, lack of leadership, and continued failure to introduce the 'radical alternative non-mainstream politics' that he promised us, so he can give himself a pat on the back on behalf of the Revolution, I guess. For what it's worth Corbyn's doing exactly what he said he would in terms of opening up decision making to the party so not sure how this is hypocrisy. I realise you're very upset that he hasn't forced out the entirety of the PLP (that sneering post about Leftist Purges is pre-written and ready to go, I'm sure) but if the best you can do is half-baked rambling about how the Corbyn in your head doesn't match the one in reality you can't expect much in return.
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Sep 20, 2015 09:50
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Genuinely don't give a poo poo about Trident really, call me back when he's given up on opposing austerity, tia.
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