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Third World Reggin posted:I don't know anything racist against muslims that trump has said. Including the most recent stuff.
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I still prefer whoopys response of muslim isn't a race. Trump has said there is a muslim problem in the world and the swiss did not fly planes into the WTC. In the same breath he said he likes most muslims. Most people won't disagree with this statement despite it being a bit callous. ISIS might as well be called a muslim problem in the world. If trump were to be asked is there a christian problem in the world, he might say yes as well. We have seen christians bomb buildings. It is a problem that involves christians.
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Narciss posted:Some people took his "we'll look into that" comment as endorsing pogroms against Muslims; rational listeners interpreted it as a flippant dismissal of a drunk. Or just being smart, answering any other way would have hurt him in the primaries and it won't matter by general. If you are really cynical, he knew it would take the press away from Carly.
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:Romney is still on the candidate list I just realized today that, as good as the primary has been, there's no way the 2016 general lives up to moments like "Please proceed, Governor."
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Third World Reggin posted:I still prefer whoopys response of muslim isn't a race. Yes, this pedantic hair-splitting is exactly what Trump had in mind and he would definitely go on the record saying there is a Christian problem in the world. Definitely.
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Sep 20, 2015 22:47
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Things I didn't say right there.
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Narciss posted:Some people took his "we'll look into that" comment as endorsing pogroms against Muslims; rational listeners interpreted it as a flippant dismissal of a drunk. There is nothing rational about people who like Donald Trump.
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Carrasco posted:I just realized today that, as good as the primary has been, there's no way the 2016 general lives up to moments like "Please proceed, Governor." Neither Hillary nor Bernie have the kind of quick wit/comedic timing that Candidate Obama had. Now, if Joe the Biden was the nominee, debates would be must-see TV.
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Shinjobi posted:Anime has taught me that homosexuality is funny and good so I basically build my worldview around that.
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Third World Reggin posted:I still prefer whoopys response of muslim isn't a race. It's problematic language. If Trump thinks there is a Muslim problem does he want a solution to "finally" deal with it? If he's talking about religious extremism then like you said all religions have it so he shouldn't single out one. And it's already been said that Muslim is treated as just nonmexican brown people by ignorant people in this country.
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Third World Reggin posted:I still prefer whoopys response of muslim isn't a race. Wow! You racist hairsplitter don't you realise that reducing all Mussulmen down to terrorists is as offensive as denying the fact that all Mussulmen hail from the Barbary Coast?
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TheTatteredKing posted:It's problematic language. If Trump thinks there is a Muslim problem does he want a solution to "finally" deal with it? If he's talking about religious extremism then like you said all religions have it so he shouldn't single out one. And it's already been said that Muslim is treated as just nonmexican brown people by ignorant people in this country. The thing is he hasn't singled one out. He was responding to a question that was about muslim problems in the world. He answered a pointed question. People take the quote and run with it. I think for him, and for everyone, it would be good if a reporter flipped the question and used christian just to check where he is on that issue. But the media isn't going to do that anytime soon. Anal Papist posted:Wow! You racist hairsplitter don't you realise that reducing all Mussulmen down to terrorists is as offensive as denying the fact that all Mussulmen hail from the Barbary Coast? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslims_(nationality) I learned about this today.
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TheTatteredKing posted:If he's talking about religious extremism then like you said all religions have it so he shouldn't single out one. You've got to be willfully ignorant to act like Christians or Buddhists are as big a threat to US national interests as religiously-motivated Muslims.
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Look. It really doesn't matter how any of you are trying to spin this. Trump is a racist gently caress. Always has been, always will be. A few years back, there was a black employee who came out and said that whenever Trump and his wife showed up at his place of work, they had to be ushered out back so that Trump doesn't see them. The guy is a genuine megalomaniac racist rear end in a top hat who thinks himself better than everyone just because he's rich. He likes to say he made his own fortune, but conveniently leaves out that his dad basically gave him 40 million to start with. Just loving look at the way he insults anyone and everyone who disagrees with him. Is that what you want from a leader? Much less from the President of the United States? If he can't even respect the people he runs against, how the gently caress do you think he's going to react when leaders from other countries don't capitulate to his demands? He's going to stomp his feet like the petulant child he is, insult them and start making threats because he'll have the power of the US military behind him. Anyone who genuinely support him is retarded. Retarded to the point that even with Velcro, shoes may be left untied because its too complicated an endeavour.
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Narciss posted:You've got to be willfully ignorant to act like Christians or Buddhists are as big a threat to US national interests as religiously-motivated Muslims. 
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Not all terrorists are muslim, but all muslim are terrorists. -Narciss in a duet with Donald Trump.
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Narciss posted:You've got to be willfully ignorant to act like Christians or Buddhists are as big a threat to US national interests as religiously-motivated Muslims. More people have died in the US due to militant Christianity than Islam Third World Reggin posted:The thing is he hasn't singled one out. He was responding to a question that was about muslim problems in the world. He answered a pointed question. People take the quote and run with it. Well yes it would be good. But given his past statements and the context I'm not eager to give him the benefit of the doubt. It reminded me of the paranoid fantasies of Japanese seditionists with that reference about terror training camps.
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Dalael posted:Look. It really doesn't matter how any of you are trying to spin this. Trump is a racist gently caress. Always has been, always will be. A few years back, there was a black employee who came out and said that whenever Trump and his wife showed up at his place of work, they had to be ushered out back so that Trump doesn't see them. Trump is a racist, but it isn't for the reasons a lot of people are claiming. The black people escorted out when trump arrived may have been ordered by not trump. The quote is a bit ambiguous. It says bosses, not trump. It doesn't say trump ordered it at all. It could of been him, but we don't know. This is the writer Nick Paumgarten quoting a bus driver named Kip Brown http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/09/07/the-death-and-life-of-atlantic-city quote:When Donald and Ivana came to the casino, the bosses would order all the black people off the floor,” he said. “It was the eighties, I was a teen-ager, but I remember it: they put us all in the back.” If you want to show trumps racism, it would be better to show trump management corporation vs justice department, a case where the trump corporation was giving different prices to minorities, settled out of court, and forced to give apartments to non whites.
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Third World Reggin posted:Trump is a racist, but it isn't for the reasons a lot of people are claiming. I was not aware of that case, but its a good example. However, I would point out that the bosses probably did what was expected of them. Unless it had been an issue at one point or another, they most likely would not have been doing that. When you get to know your employer, especially one as demanding as Trump, you start acting premptively.
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Here's two pics I didn't manage to upload around the convention yesterday:  The people who had been holding up the Hillary signs on the poles (and also the Bernie ones that were the same way, but aren't in this shot) had to put them down to get in the admissions line
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One thing to note about these polls is that between Trump, Carson, and Fiorina's numbers, combined they attract 50%+ of Republicans. All of them are "political outsiders", and not your typical GOP Presidential candidate. The establishment candidates: Bush, Rubio, Christie, and Kasich, combine around 25% of the poll responders. 25% is about what Mitt Romney commanded throughout the entire primary process. Bush, still the betting favourite to be the nominee, has seen his support drop from 15~ to half that, and seen his status go from first, to second, to third, to now floating somewhere between third and fifth overall. So far, it doesn't look like he has much of a plan to rebound. Anyway, this thing seems completely wide open, without a decisive favourite whatsoever. And the primary itself has already been dragged extremely far right. Denigrating Muslims, Mexicans, gays, women, wanting to build a wall to keep Mexicans out, wanting to tear up the Iran deal and likely go to war, defunding Planned Parenthood and a litany of "mainstream" candidates who want no abortions with no exceptions... Not to mention the usual Obamacare repeal, lower taxes for the rich, deregulating industries, and a putting a gun in every school. Those views are not supported by a collective 50%+ of Americans. It's very hard to see a way forward for that policy package taking a majority of the delegates next November unless something drastic happens in the world.
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There are more Muslim terrorists than all other religions put together in proportional and absolute terms, but it's our country's fault for destabilizing a bunch of Muslim countries in the 20th century and creating breeding grounds for radicalism.
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Cigar Aficionado posted:One thing to note about these polls is that between Trump, Carson, and Fiorina's numbers, combined they attract 50%+ of Republicans. All of them are "political outsiders", and not your typical GOP Presidential candidate. I'm still betting on Bush because he has the exact same mediocre-but-steady polling pattern Romney did.
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Nintendo Kid posted:Here's two pics I didn't manage to upload around the convention yesterday: I like the statue thing.
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Jewel Repetition posted:I'm still betting on Bush because he has the exact same mediocre-but-steady polling pattern Romney did.
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NotJesus posted:steady means "not constantly going down" They're steadily going down.
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Cigar Aficionado posted:Those views are not supported by a collective 50%+ of Americans. It's very hard to see a way forward for that policy package taking a majority of the delegates next November unless something drastic happens in the world.
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Jewel Repetition posted:I'm still betting on Bush because he has the exact same mediocre-but-steady polling pattern Romney did. No he doesn't. Romney was consistently at 20%-25%. Actually, his numbers looked a lot like Donald Trump's do this cycle. Bush peaked at 15% and is now polling somewhere between 6%-9%. He's right in the middle of the pack.
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a lot of people ran last election to gear up for this one, but they honestly don't have many good candidates right now I suspect a lot of the people running now are doing the same or don't understand the competition the gop is also something like 5 parties in one, call them factions or parties, and they don't always see eye to eye which is another reason for the mess of poo poo. There hasn't been a leader in the GOP for awhile.
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In 2012, each "joke" candidate (Perry, Bachmann, Cain, Gingrich, Santorum) got their turn in first place, but Romney was always there in second place waiting for them to drop. Right now there are three joke candidates at the top of the polls at the very same time. That's like if Cain had been leading, with Bachmann and Perry behind him, and then Romney in fourth place. \/\/\/ He's a joke, but he's not a "joke candidate". NotJesus fucked around with this message at 00:39 on Sep 21, 2015 |
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Bush is the joke candidate Rubio is the true establishment choice
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cruz is waiting for this race to finish so he can go back to hurling pumpkin bombs at spiderman
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Samurai Sanders posted:Yeah I don't really get it. Why are the GOP even running this thing with those candidates? It's meaningless unless it produces a candidate who has a chance...or are they just planning to take a loss and gear up for 2020? They're counting on a discrepancy in voter enthusiasm and tapping unlikely voter constituencies. Not that hard to picture an election where a significant number of dems refuse to hold their nose for Hillary and/or are discouraged or shut out from voting due to the various restrictions that continue to be instituted.
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Samurai Sanders posted:Yeah I don't really get it. Why are the GOP even running this thing with those candidates? It's meaningless unless it produces a candidate who has a chance...or are they just planning to take a loss and gear up for 2020? There's probably some realists in the party hierarchy farsighted enough to know the odds aren't with them this time and the circus is only making things worse, but you've still got to run somebody and worry about the downticket races, which the Republicans do pretty well on. Ideally they'd be gritting their teeth, running the candidate least likely to gently caress things up for the whole party and focus on Congress and State races. And of course, there's legions of true believers who turn out to vote no matter the odds, either as protest or as reality denial or anything else - last time even the Romneys seemed to genuinely believe they were going to win right up until they didn't. I suppose if the nominee is awful enough, either someone like Trump or an establishment candidate forced to swear to a hard-right platform to win the nomination, the illusion of electability might fall apart and other Republican candidates might run away from them. The single greatest part of a Trump nomination besides the guaranteed Republican loss would be seeing which Republicans sit out the election in protest and which ones turn on their heel and start promoting him.
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NotJesus posted:In 2012, each "joke" candidate (Perry, Bachmann, Cain, Gingrich, Santorum) got their turn in first place, but Romney was always there in second place waiting for them to drop. You wanna talk jokes? Have I got a joke for you: American democracy.
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Aliquid posted:What was McCain's floor in 2007, 5%? Fourth place and high single digits, yeah. However, Giuliani, Romney, and Thompson were not anti-establishment candidates. Huckabee was the only serious "outsider," and even he had been governor of Arkansas for a decade and was running as the candidate of a core Republican constituency. EDIT: I consider Ron Paul 2012 semi-serious, but Ron Paul 2008 was not a serious campaign at all.
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