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CBJSprague24 posted:Mine last month was $165. I was just deferred because of sleep apnea (which has been cured; AME was also the surgeon who handled it) and because of a short-term anxiety event. They approved me after a couple weeks. I'm sure there are people out there who have had bigger problems then I had you could be disqualified in spite of being medically fine in reality. Ah, I misread the post right above mine; it was referring to a test that the FAA wanted done, not the actual cost of the medical itself. That makes more sense (and is really lovely; you guys should totally get some single-payer healthcare, it's good poo poo  ).
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3rd class which this would eliminate is around $85. The reason for getting rid of it is not the cost its that it's stupid. There's no proof that it improves safety.
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PT6A posted:Is getting a medical in the US particularly expensive? Is that where the massive opposition comes from? Up here, it's literally insignificant compared to the cost of any other part of flying. Unless the medical ends up requiring visits to a specialist for some reason (something like a history of mental health or substance abuse issues), you can usually get a 3rd class for somewhere under $100 in most cases. I get the feeling that a good chunk of the opposition to a 3rd class medical comes from the fact that the US pilot population is getting older (especially in general aviation), and an increasing number of people belonging to lobbying groups like AOPA and the EAA are running into age-related issues that make maintaining a medical increasingly difficult.
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Your stereotypical aging pilot is a hell of a lot more of a liability behind the wheel of the 5400lb SUV dodging through traffic than he is in his 2200lb airplane. Why is he allowed to drive with a condition that denies him the privilege to fly?
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MrYenko posted:Your stereotypical aging pilot is a hell of a lot more of a liability behind the wheel of the 5400lb SUV dodging through traffic than he is in his 2200lb airplane. Why is he allowed to drive with a condition that denies him the privilege to fly? I don't know! It would be a good idea to require people to be in adequate physical health to drive, too.
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Think of the population thaPT6A posted:I don't know! It would be a good idea to require people to be in adequate physical health to drive, too. Sure it would! How would you like that to happen? Maybe once every 5 years you can go to the DMV and see the approved doctor who only sees you once every 5? Oh and they discovered you have some condition that normally would be taken care of with normal medications! But, with the new regulations we have decided that you shouldn't drive ever. Or - you can tell the government to gently caress off and continue treating your health via your regular doctor who gives a poo poo about you instead of just the 25 minutes you're in the office. Captain Apollo fucked around with this message at 03:57 on Sep 21, 2015 |
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azflyboy posted:. Well - yeah. Who else would you expect to fight for this? My dad lost his medical at 40 due to a really terrible set of circumstances. None of us are immune to this. You (Us) will have a condition the Feds don't like and won't allow to be treated by conventional medicine. That's the part that sucks so bad. People will have a condition that the FAA considers bad but treatable. But, sometimes their version of treatment is worse for you health wise than the actual condition!
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According to the FAA, over-the-counter NyQuil has a 60 hour last-dose-to-work wait time. NyQuil. Most of the people I know who have to maintain a medical are convinced that they're going to die of some easily preventable ailment, because they don't want to be medically disqualified from working, and won't go see a doctor.
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Never going to the doctor is the best way to maintain your FAA medical. Hope you were born with a good immune system.
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In this system, you are penalized for going to the doctor. The system needs to be reformed. I have to stay 10 steps ahead of my PCP's to make sure they don't prescribe me anything career ending.
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Hell, for those not familiar, check out this Third Party Organization dedicated to get your medical for you. https://leftseat.com/about_pmsi.htm quote:No one wants to share the pattern with an unfit pilot, but bureaucratic grounding is often a legal versus safety issue.
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Avationmedicine.com is also an excellent resource for those with complicated histories (ie, if you take any prescription medications at all). The air traffic union (NATCA) trusts them.
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The Ferret King posted:Never going to the doctor is the best way to maintain your FAA medical. I have a very good immune system and I avoid going to the doctor for this reason. My current job requires a doctor's note for any sick time use which means I never use sick time. Are controllers required to maintain an FAA medical?
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two_beer_bishes posted:I have a very good immune system and I avoid going to the doctor for this reason. My current job requires a doctor's note for any sick time use which means I never use sick time. Yup. Class 2/B/The middle one.
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Do yall still make 80k when you lose your medical?
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MrYenko posted:Yup. Class 2/B/The middle one. I just did my initial physical for ATC with the same AME that did my last FAA medical. In the future will I need to have separate medical certificates or can I get my 1st class for flying and that'll be good enough?
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Captain Apollo posted:Do yall still make 80k when you lose your medical? We get 1 year to find another position, during which we are paid normally (minus shift differential and overtime since you're usually placed on an 8-5 mon-fri schedule). After that you're terminated if you haven't found anything. Happened to a coworker of mine 3 years ago, dunno what he's doing now. We do have disability insurance offered through our union which replaces a portion of our salary for 5 years after being terminated.
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Another FAA position or just in life in general? Can you be an ATC supervisor with no medical?
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Captain Apollo posted:Another FAA position or just in life in general? Um... if you find another job outside of the FAA then the medical doesn't really matter anymore, does it? If you want to keep your employment with the Department of Transportation, you have 1 year to find a position. After that you're terminated and no longer receive a salary from the DOT. If you later get a job with the DOT fine, but they only let you keep your pay for 1 year past losing your medical unless you find another job. Supervisory positions require the same class 2 medical +EKG The Ferret King fucked around with this message at 03:22 on Sep 21, 2015 |
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Sep 21, 2015 03:18
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I think he meant to ask what positions within the FAA would be available, if any, to a controller that lost their medical?
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hobbesmaster posted:I think he meant to ask what positions within the FAA would be available, if any, to a controller that lost their medical? No, he was being a moron and being needlessly obtuse. But, for the rest of our readers I will explain. The FAA operates offices and satellite departments all over the nation and those positions don't require medical licenses. You could be a secretary, you could work in technical operations, or IT, or human resources, or accounting, or security, or custodial staffing ...... I mean.... do I need to keep going? The FAA employs people that clean toilets. It's a job that has to be done. If you're a controller and lose your medical, you have 1 year from the date of medical denial to find another job within the FAA if that is your desire. If you are unable, or if you do not desire to remain with the FAA, then you have to go find another job just like any other unemployed person. The Ferret King fucked around with this message at 03:28 on Sep 21, 2015 |
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So if you lose your medical as an ATC you still have an awesome 8-5 job with government benefits. If you lose your medical as a pilot you apply for welfare. (If you aren't already on it).
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You are salty as gently caress and need to stop making GBS threads this thread up with your axe grinding. We get it, you hate ~the man~ because of some medical slight that happened to a friend of a friends cousin's father's uncle that one day may apply to you.
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I don't hate anybody. I don't hate the man! FK is a great fed! He's intelligent and an epic controller, quite frankly. I also don't have an axe to grind. My relatives have had their ships sail. What's funny, is I'm fighting for people like you to be able to fly airplanes.
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I'm going to begrudgingly support Apollo here. He sounds like an infantile moron but his intentions are sound. He knows what he's talking about. He just sounds like a clown when he expresses his opinion.
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I meant, do you have a year to submit your resume to usajobs.gov and wait it out?
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hobbesmaster posted:I meant, do you have a year to submit your resume to usajobs.gov and wait it out? Sort of. I mean, usajobs.gov includes many other departments. You can apply internally for other FAA jobs (IT, toilet cleaner, etc). You have 1 year to make it happen or else you separate from government employment and you must look for other jobs if you want to keep paying your bills. Or apply for unemployment. It's not 1 year to submit. It's 1 year to get hired.
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PT6A posted:Ah, I misread the post right above mine; it was referring to a test that the FAA wanted done, not the actual cost of the medical itself. That makes more sense (and is really lovely; you guys should totally get some single-payer healthcare, it's good poo poo Yeah, I made the mistake of going to my normal doctor for a regular physical before going to my AME for a flight physical and my normal doc decided "hey, let's do an ECG" in which a small irregularity was seen. End result is that after some testing my new cardiologist and personal doctor believe the minor abnormality seen in my ECG isn't an actual problem. Unfortunately for what was seen in the ECG the FAA requires a nuclear stress test with specific durations and heart rates to issue a medical which wasn't the test my cardiologist ordered initially (did a simpler echo stress test that didn't hit the duration the FAA requires). Insurance is (understandably) not interested in paying for another test when the previous test showed there isn't really an issue. So I'm stuck with the options of a) limiting myself to the exercise of the sport pilot certificate since I was never denied a medical, b) paying for the nuclear stress test out of pocket, c) hoping the cardiologist can convince the insurance company to cover it, or d) waiting for the 3rd class medical requirement to go away either via legislation or the DOT finally releasing the proposal the FAA sent them at the behest of AOPA & EAA. Wasn't expecting to have a cardiologist for at least another decade.  Sadly no one I'm aware of around here rents LSAs, so I'll keep working on changing my insurance company's mind and pushing for 3rd class medical reform, and if it's still an issue in December, sign up to put lots of money into my medical Flexible Spending Account for 2016 and pay for the test. Alternatively the Revo trike I lust after is Light Sport, but that's definitely not the cheap solution. fordan fucked around with this message at 12:08 on Sep 21, 2015 |
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The Ferret King posted:Never going to the doctor is the best way to maintain your FAA medical. Pretty much. If this doesn't indicate something in the system is broken I don't know what does.
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two_beer_bishes posted:I just did my initial physical for ATC with the same AME that did my last FAA medical. In the future will I need to have separate medical certificates or can I get my 1st class for flying and that'll be good enough? It does. When we get our Medical though, it's on an internal FAA form, so they don't generally issue you what pilots recognize as a class 2 medical. You can just ask the flight surgeon or their seceratary, though, and they'll issue the paper medical, since the exam is identical, it's just the paperwork that differs. Sometimes they get you for  , depends on the office.
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Try not to go to the doctor ever is sadly a pretty good strategy in the american health care system in general
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fordan posted:Yeah, I made the mistake of going to my normal doctor for a regular physical before going to my AME for a flight physical and my normal doc decided "hey, let's do an ECG" in which a small irregularity was seen. Fordan, I'll rent you my cherokee 180 any time you want to fly it in my area. Regardless of medical.
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fordan posted:Alternatively the Revo trike I lust after is Light Sport, but that's definitely not the cheap solution. If you are a handy person I have seen a few really nice homebrew trikes. Not entirely sure how amateur built fits into LSA's. Most use Suzuki motors with a reduction gearbox rather than the much more expensive Rotax-912/914.
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On campus as Kansas State University Salina doing research on pilots and flight instructors. They have a pretty great organization. I could do without the epaulettes on every shoulder but honestly the students are taking it seriously in a very positive way. Brand new G36? Barons? Cessna's? Pretty great school and the kids don't seem to be douches. Also - some really hot girl cfi's. So jealous.
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helno posted:If you are a handy person I have seen a few really nice homebrew trikes. Not entirely sure how amateur built fits into LSA's. I am basically the opposite of a handy person. I wouldn't recommend flying any aircraft I helped build. Or even anything beyond simple maintenance. And homebrew trikes would probably be E-LSA vs S-LSA (Experimental vs Special) weight-shift control if too heavy for the Part 103 rules (254 pounds) or has more than 1 seat. If I wanted to go cheap(er) I'd probably look at the REV by Evolution Trikes, which is a fairly cheap Part 103 ultralight. http://www.evolutiontrikes.com/rev.htm
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So, my school rented two new 172s. One is a P, and one is an R with 160hp and fuel injected and made in 98 and oh my god I am in loving love, and I kinda wanna to take i and fly it everywhere. (For context, been flying M and N ')
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If only you had a 180? That makes a 172 go from terrible to awesome. Cessna 175 with a lycoming 360? Gold standard. Captain Apollo fucked around with this message at 00:56 on Sep 24, 2015 |
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bunnyofdoom posted:So, my school rented two new 172s. One is a P, and one is an R with 160hp and fuel injected and made in 98 and oh my god I am in loving love, and I kinda wanna to take i and fly it everywhere. (For context, been flying M and N Nice! Go enjoy them, that's what this craps all about.
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bunnyofdoom posted:So, my school rented two new 172s. One is a P, and one is an R with 160hp and fuel injected and made in 98 and oh my god I am in loving love, and I kinda wanna to take i and fly it everywhere. (For context, been flying M and N The universe is clearly trying to pay you back for having to put up with a bunch of ignorant racists ranting at you for two months straight.
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PT6A posted:The universe is clearly trying to pay you back for having to put up with a bunch of ignorant racists ranting at you for two months straight. God I hope so.
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