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FrozenVent
May 1, 2009

The Boeing 737-200QC is the undisputed workhorse of the skies.

John Smith posted:

Bit of a derail, but you are not subjected to American law while on-board the cruise ship if the ship isn't flagged in America. From my understanding, which may be wrong, it is also a bit of a hassle if it is not the case that both the victim and the criminal is American.

The captain has broad discretion in how to handle crimes on-board his ship, and generally prefer less trouble.

You're subject to the laws of the flag state and the captain really doesn't have that much leeway (the cruise line has strict procedures). America has some weird laws that give their enforcement agencies extra territorial powers in some cases, and everybody lets them do what they want so they might get involved... But yeah at the end of the day you're in a foreign country so expect foreign laws.

There's surprisingly little crime on cruise ships (spent six months on one, we had a single incident that I can recall, someone helping themselves to someone's stuff I think). It's just that whenever something happen the media and lawyers get all over it.

Now if the ship were to start sinking... That's another story.

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silvergoose
Mar 18, 2006

IT IS SAID THE TEARS OF THE BWEENIX CAN HEAL ALL WOUNDS




Pompous Rhombus posted:

Would you go so far as to say bakers tend to be... unsavoury? :dukedog:

If you wanted to spell it wrong, maybe. :911:

Cockmaster
Feb 24, 2002

CelestialScribe posted:

Nothing wrong with a cruise, but it's all about balance. I've spent the last three vacations with my wife jam packed with travel and seeking out little great things to see. I could do with a week on a deck chair and a book.

I've thought about maybe going on a cruise at some point, possibly this new Star Trek themed cruise that's just starting up. I'm mostly curious about how good the poker players tend to be in cruise ship casinos. If they're casual enough, then cruises could be Good With Money for anyone capable of grasping general poker strategy (I have a basic understanding of what constitutes a hand worth playing, but no real talent for hand reading).

FrozenVent
May 1, 2009

The Boeing 737-200QC is the undisputed workhorse of the skies.
Do cruise ships have regular poker table? All I can remember was some sort of "Caribbean poker" that had terrible odds, but then that was ten years ago and hey didn't encourage crew members to hang around the casino.

It's mostly slots and some blackjack down there, from what I've seen.

SlapActionJackson
Jul 27, 2006

Not all cruise ships have real poker in the casino, and even on those that do you will be unable to find enough action to make real money.

melon cat
Jan 21, 2010

Nap Ghost

SlapActionJackson posted:

That would be Casey Serin (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casey_Serin) of IAmFacingForeclosure.com fame. These Aussies are literally Casey x3.

Wow. He was just throwing crap at the wall and hoping something would stick, wasn't he?

quote:

After staying offline for a few months, Serin resurfaced as a contract blogger doing work on ForeclosureHelpBook.com. This freelance work ended in October 2007. Casey resurfaced with a new blog, EscapeMyHouse.com, which was taken offline in November 2007. As of January 29, 2008 he had started and then stopped a blog based on his information on gold stocks, most specifically GoldSpring (GSPG) called MillionaireByChristmas.com.

... In August 2008 he started the blog TrueCasey.com, which continued themes from his previous blogs, including publishing a foreclosure book and detailing his investment into the penny stock GoldSpring.[32] By November 2008, he was looking for people to buy the TrueCasey.com domain name. Serin has since started and ended a few other websites, such as bloggercasey.com, which ran from May 2009 until June 21, 2009,[citation needed] and iamrealestatephotographer.com, which was active as of April 2013, but the domain was for sale as of October 2014.
I don't know what it is about self-proclaimed people who "flip houses" for a living, but they always seem to give me the same vibe that MLM schemers do. They just want that quick, easy money and talk about "this great new business opportunity" pretty much any time there's silence in the room.

melon cat fucked around with this message at 22:14 on Sep 20, 2015

Slow News Day
Jul 4, 2007
Probation
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Judging by that wikipedia entry, he's probably better at flipping domains than houses.

fisting by many
Dec 25, 2009



Cockmaster posted:

I've thought about maybe going on a cruise at some point, possibly this new Star Trek themed cruise that's just starting up. I'm mostly curious about how good the poker players tend to be in cruise ship casinos. If they're casual enough, then cruises could be Good With Money for anyone capable of grasping general poker strategy (I have a basic understanding of what constitutes a hand worth playing, but no real talent for hand reading).

They're terrible, but what matters is the rake -- on cruise ships it's often uncapped which makes a cash game really drat hard to beat. The tournament structures will be crapshoots and probably also have an insanely high rake. Reading a poker book will put you miles ahead of anyone at that table but won't put you anywhere near making money. And if you actually are decent at poker then any land casino is going to be a better use of your time even if the players there aren't nearly as poo poo.

Also there will be like ten people on the whole boat who will put $100 towards trying that poker thing and then realizing it's not as fun as it looks on tv and going back to blackjack.

fisting by many fucked around with this message at 22:19 on Sep 20, 2015

JUST MAKING CHILI
Feb 14, 2008
There was one poker table on a Carinval cruise I went on six years ago, and the level of players made it a "V.Good With Money" option.

I would blow Dane Cook
Dec 26, 2008

melon cat posted:

Wow. He was just throwing crap at the wall and hoping something would stick, wasn't he?

I don't know what it is about self-proclaimed people who "flip houses" for a living, but they always seem to give me the same vibe that MLM schemers do. They just want that quick, easy money and talk about "this great new business opportunity" pretty much any time there's silence in the room.

They are both get rich quick schemes afterall.

JUST MAKING CHILI
Feb 14, 2008

https://www.reddit.com/r/personalfinance/comments/3lsthg/bulk_precious_metals/ posted:

I'm curious if any of you buy metals to keep for yourself. I can buy these on the stock market but I don't actually hold the metal. Anyone do this? Any advice? I'm looking to diversify my assets.
Thank you,

One of OPs replies: "Gold has held value since the beginning of civilization. This isn't a RoI type of thing, more of a peace of mind/bartering tool if our currency has a huge collapse."

Haifisch
Nov 13, 2010

Objection! I object! That was... objectionable!



Taco Defender
If I thought society was going to collapse, I'd hoard toilet paper. Lots of people have thought of hoarding bullets, gold, and canned food, but TP is going to be king once people realize they're running out of it.

Slow News Day
Jul 4, 2007
Probation
Can't post for 3 hours!
Just found out today that one of my coworkers is BWM. It's a long story, but the short version is that his kid got diagnosed with autism and he and his wife decided to go on an anti-vaccine rampage... by suing the government. Over the past year they've spent an obscene amount in legal fees, and I overheard the other day that they sold their house in Arizona to be able to keep paying the legal expenses in the case. :psyduck:

I don't have numbers unfortunately, but I imagine suing the government must be expensive.

BarbarianElephant
Feb 12, 2015
The fairy of forgiveness has removed your red text.

Haifisch posted:

If I thought society was going to collapse, I'd hoard toilet paper. Lots of people have thought of hoarding bullets, gold, and canned food, but TP is going to be king once people realize they're running out of it.

I don't think people are going to be killing for it, though, as long as leaves exist.

enraged_camel posted:

I don't have numbers unfortunately, but I imagine suing the government must be expensive.


The therapy that autistic children require is also expensive.... wonder if they are skimping on that to sue the government.

Not a Children
Oct 9, 2012

Don't need a holster if you never stop shooting.

enraged_camel posted:

Just found out today that one of my coworkers is BWM. It's a long story, but the short version is that his kid got diagnosed with autism and he and his wife decided to go on an anti-vaccine rampage... by suing the government. Over the past year they've spent an obscene amount in legal fees, and I overheard the other day that they sold their house in Arizona to be able to keep paying the legal expenses in the case. :psyduck:

I don't have numbers unfortunately, but I imagine suing the government must be expensive.

This is terrible and I feel absolutely awful for that poor kid.

Golluk
Oct 22, 2008
And now for an example of rental properties going bad.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ottawa/comments/3ltek0/my_friend_got_screwed_by_buying_in_ottawa_now_he/

My favorite part is this though:

quote:

He went to that stupid "I make millions buying and renting condos! So can you!!!" seminar they have all the time.. The one where the guy tells you he is making too much money so he needs you to help him.. sigh..

TL;DR
Guy buys two Condo's, lives in one, rents the other. Runs into vacancy problems, goes bankrupt, and loses both.

BigDave
Jul 14, 2009

Taste the High Country

enraged_camel posted:

Just found out today that one of my coworkers is BWM. It's a long story, but the short version is that his kid got diagnosed with autism and he and his wife decided to go on an anti-vaccine rampage... by suing the government. Over the past year they've spent an obscene amount in legal fees, and I overheard the other day that they sold their house in Arizona to be able to keep paying the legal expenses in the case. :psyduck:

I don't have numbers unfortunately, but I imagine suing the government must be expensive.

Who the hell are they suing? Who can you sue for that anyway? FDA? HHS? CIA?

Dillbag
Mar 4, 2007

Click here to join Lem Lee in the Hell Of Being Cut To Pieces
Nap Ghost

BigDave posted:

Who the hell are they suing? Who can you sue for that anyway? FDA? HHS? CIA?

Obama, obviously.

Slow News Day
Jul 4, 2007
Probation
Can't post for 3 hours!

BigDave posted:

Who the hell are they suing? Who can you sue for that anyway? FDA? HHS? CIA?

Whichever branch of the US government is responsible for public immunization policy, I think. If there is such a branch.

BigDave
Jul 14, 2009

Taste the High Country

enraged_camel posted:

Whichever branch of the US government is responsible for public immunization policy, I think. If there is such a branch.

That would be MKULTRA, MAJESTIC-12 and the KGB.

Subjunctive
Sep 12, 2006

✨sparkle and shine✨

enraged_camel posted:

Whichever branch of the US government is responsible for public immunization policy, I think. If there is such a branch.

Is it even a federal thing?

Slow News Day
Jul 4, 2007
Probation
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Subjunctive posted:

Is it even a federal thing?

I'm wondering the same thing. I don't care enough to go find out though. :)

Krispy Wafer
Jul 26, 2002

I shouted out "Free the exposed 67"
But they stood on my hair and told me I was fat

Grimey Drawer
The FDA maybe?

How do you even counter the hundreds of thousands of pages of scientific evidence saying there is no link between vaccines and autism?

"Your honor, I'd like to submit this HTML link to a mommy blogger's WordPress site as evidence."

Radbot
Aug 12, 2009
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I'm guessing they're suing to get access to that massive pot of money here: http://www.hrsa.gov/vaccinecompensation/index.html

Radbot fucked around with this message at 22:19 on Sep 21, 2015

melon cat
Jan 21, 2010

Nap Ghost

Golluk posted:

And now for an example of rental properties going bad.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ottawa/comments/3ltek0/my_friend_got_screwed_by_buying_in_ottawa_now_he/

My favorite part is this though:


TL;DR
Guy buys two Condo's, lives in one, rents the other. Runs into vacancy problems, goes bankrupt, and loses both.

Yeah... I'm not sympathetic to that guy. Everyone I've ever known who trumpets real estate as a "guaranteed" investment simply won't listen to anyone else who gives cautionary advice, or any advice advising against real estate. They just roll your eyes, and label you as a dummy for having a well-diversified (and liquid) investments portfolio.

Also, for any Americans in this thread who are unfamiliar with Canadian bankruptcy: declaring bankruptcy is much more difficult to do in Canada than it is to do in the U.S. Most people get their bankruptcy applications declined if they ever did so much as contribute to their RSP (Canadian version of a 401K). And if you ARE "successful"in declaring bankruptcy in Canada, you lose everything. So the guy in that Reddit post is definitely not in a good financial position.

The Mandingo posted:

One of OPs replies: "Gold has held value since the beginning of civilization. This isn't a RoI type of thing, more of a peace of mind/bartering tool if our currency has a huge collapse."
I never understood why people who want to invest in precious metals never look at the actual history of metal prices. This mutual fund shows just how volatile precious metal prices can be. Aside from the well-known fact that previous performance is in no way indicative of future performance, most people can't stomach a +/- 44% fluctuation in their investments.

melon cat fucked around with this message at 23:58 on Sep 21, 2015

Krispy Wafer
Jul 26, 2002

I shouted out "Free the exposed 67"
But they stood on my hair and told me I was fat

Grimey Drawer

Radbot posted:

I'm guessing their suing to get access to that massive pot of money here: http://www.hrsa.gov/vaccinecompensation/index.html

So the pile of money that's for legitimate real side effects. Perfect.

Years ago there was a goon who got his flu shot in the Navy and had major complications. I think the title of his thread was something like, "I got my flu shot and didn't pee on my own for a year." He probably qualified for compensation.

Pump it up! Do it!
Oct 3, 2012

CelestialScribe posted:

That's Australia for you. Many of my friends in their 20s are paying more than 50% of their income on mortgage repayments. No one bats an eye at this. "Gotta get on the property ladder somehow!"

Don't have a 20% deposit? No problem. "Just get your parents to Co sign" is repeated so often here people believe it is common sense.

Sweden also has a serious real estate bubble with idiots trying to get onto the "property ladder" by borrowing from their parents , 80 % of Swedes think that the prices will just keep on increasing and right now they're increasing about 20 % per year. We had a bad property bubble in the 90s but somehow people have forgotten all about it because this time "it's different".

WobblySausage
Nov 7, 2014
http://elitedaily.com/life/savings-20s-something-wrong/1214445/ - If You Have Savings In Your 20s, You’re Doing Something Wrong

quote:

I don’t have any savings, but I also don’t have any wants.

I don’t know about you, but I like to enjoy my life. I like to go out to eat, buy clothes I don’t “need” and spend money with friends on memorable nights out.

This goes back to a piece of advice a very successful friend gave me: “Don’t save money. Make more money,” he nonchalantly stated, pushing me into a taxi.

Unlike most things people tell me, this advice did not go in one ear and out the other; it stayed with me and changed the way I look at everything from my career to my savings.

Before this piece of advice, I was frantic. I was always doubting and always feeling guilty. I lived in the most exciting city in the world (also the most expensive) and had yet to experience it.

I was trying to save, which meant trying not to eat. I wasn’t going out with friends, had yet to go to a club and had never seen the inside of a taxi.

I couldn’t enjoy my life because I was too busy worrying about my bank statement. I was too busy watching my savings instead of savoring my youth.

Why did I feel so guilty about spending money on myself and my life?

When did our 20s start to feel like our 40s? When did we get weighed down with the same pressure and stresses as a woman with four kids and a second mortgage?

We don’t have kids. We’ll be renting for the foreseeable future, and we have no problem eating McDonald’s when we’re skint.

I’ve recently figured it out: This pressure, this third-party stress, is ingrained within us. It’s this looming doom our parents carved into our unconscious, only to come out anytime we make an impulse purchase or have to spend the night without Netflix.

But like most things our parents have ingrained in us, we must consciously work to push it out. Because while they may have the best intentions, they don’t always have the best insight.

They want us to save because it provides us with a safety net, but that’s exactly why we shouldn’t. Their need for us to have a safety net is just a giant metaphor for the difference between our parent’s generation and ours.

They were getting married at 20 while we’re just getting our first apartments. They were saving for kids while we still want to be kids. We’re on different schedules, different paths and totally different savings plans.

We’re taking our time growing up, refusing to be shackled by mortgages and diapers. We’re not trying to live with safety nets; we’re trying to live on the edge.

When you’re too worried about your bank statement, you’re not making your own

When you live your life around your retirement fund, you may as well retire now. You can’t make a mark on the world if you’re too cheap to live in it.

Refusing to give yourself the luxury of enjoying your money negates the whole point of making it.

When you’re saving for yourself, you’re refusing to bet on yourself

People who are saving in their 20s are people who don’t set their sights high. They’ve already dropped out of the game and settled for the minor leagues.

Your 20s are not the time to save; they’re the time to gamble. $200 a month isn’t going to make the dent that a $60,000 pay raise will after spending all those nights out networking.

When you have something to bank on, you have nothing to reach for

When you have nothing to lose, you have everything to gain.

You’d be surprised at how cautious people get with just a few thousand in the bank. This isn’t the time to safeguard — it’s the time to bet all your chips and hope to make it big.

When you live your life by numbers, you strip yourself of poetry

What memorable experience does money in the bank give you? How well-rounded can people become sitting at home, watching their limited funds gain interest?

Life is to be lived, not watched from the inside of your rent-controlled apartment.

When you die, you can’t take your money with you

When you’re acutely aware of your mortality, it makes spending money that much easier. Those who don’t plan for the future aren’t planning for their death.

When you deprive yourself, you don’t learn how to TREAT YO SELF

It’s good to be cautious and plan for unexpected events. It’s also good, however, to learn how to release and destress. Everything works out, and if you’re smart, able and had a job once, you’ll have one again.

Don’t waste your youth worrying about expenses when you should be worrying about experiences.

When you care about your 401k, your life is just “k”

When you’re 40, you’re not going to look back on your 20s and be grateful for the few thousand you saved. You’re going to be full of regret.

You’ll regret the experiences you didn’t take, the people you didn’t meet and the fun you didn’t have because you were too worried about a future that came and went.

treat yo self

I would blow Dane Cook
Dec 26, 2008
When you care about your 401k, your life is just k.

Radbot
Aug 12, 2009
Probation
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If that wasn't a deliberate tee-up for a billion other blogs to pile on her (linkbacks and SEO signals ahoy, let alone the well-heeled firms interested in "disproving" her), then I'm going to steal the idea and incorporate it into my next content marketing pitch.

GoGoGadgetChris
Mar 18, 2010

i powder a
granite monument
in a soundless flash

showering the grass
with molten drops of
its gold inlay

sending smoking
chips of stone
skipping into the fog
That article was such a perfect troll that our 401k manager is writing a rebuttal to our company.

Dik Hz
Feb 22, 2004

Fun with Science

What's the internet law that says the best way to get accurate information is not to ask for it, but to post inaccurate information.

Puppy Galaxy
Aug 1, 2004

i'm poor as hell but i'm gonna contribute 4% to my 401k because that's what my employer matches and I'm not about turn down free money

melon cat
Jan 21, 2010

Nap Ghost
Because when I'm a 70-year old pensioner who's opening up cans of cat food for dinner, I don't want to find myself thinking, "drat, I wish I took some more taxicab rides back in my 20s!"

No ragrats.

Not a Children
Oct 9, 2012

Don't need a holster if you never stop shooting.

That article smacks of sour grapes.

CelestialScribe
Jan 16, 2008

Lord Tywin posted:

Sweden also has a serious real estate bubble with idiots trying to get onto the "property ladder" by borrowing from their parents , 80 % of Swedes think that the prices will just keep on increasing and right now they're increasing about 20 % per year. We had a bad property bubble in the 90s but somehow people have forgotten all about it because this time "it's different".

The problem is it isn't a bubble here. Prices are going to remain high because we have few major cities.

Suspicious Lump
Mar 11, 2004

Breetai posted:

Boomeranging after being made redundant due to a reorg, realising that buying a house in Australia on a single salary is generally beyond the reach of sanity, and deciding to swallow my pride and staying put after I quickly found a better job and putting 80% of every single paycheck directly into a bank account and completely forgetting it exists for 5 solid years. My car is literally old enough to vote (1995 Nissan Pulsar Q Hatchback - I swear the fucker's indestructible even though I take the bus to work every day and only really use it on weekends), I only got a smart phone 2 years ago after I accidentally left my Nokia brick in my jeans in the wash (Sony Xperia Sola for $cheap) and only got mobile internet data 2 months ago after a recent raise could justify me increasing my discretionary spending so that I pay $30/mo on mobile rather than $15/mo, and the only real holiday I've been on in this period was a long weekend trip up to visit my best friend after she moved up to Melbourne (paid for by sticking any cash I had of the 20% I allow myself to access every week into a piggy bank until I had enough for tickets and spending money), but on the bright side I've enough money to comfortably buy a house by the end of the year and not only maintain it, but live on something other than ramen noodles for the next 30+ years of my life.
Have you considered putting your money instead in an offset account and only paying 20% deposit? Run the numbers and you might find out it's better idea. If you're saving at such an insane rate then paying off the principle amount should be easy.

Breetai
Nov 6, 2005

🥄Mah spoon is too big!🍌

Suspicious Lump posted:

Have you considered putting your money instead in an offset account and only paying 20% deposit? Run the numbers and you might find out it's better idea. If you're saving at such an insane rate then paying off the principle amount should be easy.

Definitely considering it - the budget I'm planning has a lot of provisions for putting aside regular amounts of money for ongoing expenses (medical, emergency fund, emergency home repair, 10% of net pay into long term savings) and I may as well have that money working for me at maximum efficiency. I'll crunch the numbers when I'm at the stage of comparing loan options.

Cicero
Dec 17, 2003

Jumpjet, melta, jumpjet. Repeat for ten minutes or until victory is assured.

CelestialScribe posted:

The problem is it isn't a bubble here. Prices are going to remain high because we have few major cities.
I don't think the number of major cities has anything to do with it. The US has plenty of major cities but that hasn't stopped bay area housing prices from reaching ridiculous highs. To a certain extent high housing prices are inevitable in a very densely populated area, but you can make the problem a lot worse through restrictive zoning policies, which is why the bay area has sky high home costs.

edit: whoooaaaaa

quote:

And there is a near consensus among economists in Sweden that a fundamental problem with the Swedish housing market is the regulated rental market. Rents are set in negotia-tions where central organizations representing landlords and tenants agree on “fair rents” (bruksvärde).

Rents can only reflect the “value of use,” determined by the size and standard of the apartment, with little regard given to the attractiveness of its location. For central locations of the major metropolitan regions, rents set in this way are significantly lower than market rents. This not only affects the profitability of developing new rental apartments, it also leads to inefficiencies and adds time to the already long wait for a regulated rental contract.

In 2013 ,the shortest wait for a rental apartment in Stockholm, located 30 minutes outside of the city, was four to five years. The average waiting time in Stockholm City Center was at least 16 to 17 years. For Stockholm as a whole, the average waiting period was eight to nine years.
http://www.compasscayman.com/cfr/2015/04/22/Sweden%E2%80%99s-fundamental-housing-bubble-/

Cicero fucked around with this message at 02:11 on Sep 22, 2015

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CelestialScribe
Jan 16, 2008
Yeah that's true. It's just hard to accept the idea I may never buy a house. You can't buy a liveable place for a family here for less than 400,000, and I live 35kms from the city.

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