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Eimi posted:I'd also argue that the class changes they made for the expansion are moronic pursuit of complexity for complexitiy's sake. At least that more than anything killed the game. Dumb poo poo like Enochian, Wanderer's Minuet changing how blm and brd play and then loving adding back positionals to ninja when ninja was good because it didn't have that bullshit. The fact that the current end game is a mess doesn't help but I think they made some fundamentally wrong decisions in how they changed dps classes. Healers and tanks got off fairly well, bloated skillbars aside. Ninja got 2 positionals. A whole 2. Completely different class thanks Square everything is ruined.
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YoshiOfYellow posted:Ninja got 2 positionals. A whole 2. Completely different class thanks Square everything is ruined. thank god you're here to defend their honor
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Sep 21, 2015 21:39
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Gameko posted:The group content was always enjoyable until endgame. I plan to tinker around with it and see if there's some fun to be had in dungeons. It was even enjoyable at endgame. What wasn't enjoyable was the lack of reward for doing it, and the arbitrary time limits.
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Sep 21, 2015 21:40
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YoshiOfYellow posted:Ninja got 2 positionals. A whole 2. Completely different class thanks Square everything is ruined. Eh, considering the reason I enjoyed ninja is because it doesn't have bullshit positionals? 
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Sep 21, 2015 21:56
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Eimi posted:I'd also argue that the class changes they made for the expansion are moronic pursuit of complexity for complexitiy's sake. At least that more than anything killed the game. Dumb poo poo like Enochian, Wanderer's Minuet changing how blm and brd play and then loving adding back positionals to ninja when ninja was good because it didn't have that bullshit. The fact that the current end game is a mess doesn't help but I think they made some fundamentally wrong decisions in how they changed dps classes. Healers and tanks got off fairly well, bloated skillbars aside. Let's not forget Dragoons, who's level 58 ability literally serves ZERO purpose other then to make them randomly have to hit from the back or flank instead of just the flank.
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Sep 21, 2015 22:16
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Bless you brave souls who counter every bit of criticism with screeching hyperbole. 
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Screeching hyperbole? I just find it hilarious that moving to the side occasionally is apparently a "complexity for complexity's sake". Please tell me more about how much trouble that is.  I'll agree with other points though, Dragoon's random positional is stupid as hell and Wanderer's Minuet was a playstyle change that people didn't want or expect.
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YoshiOfYellow posted:Screeching hyperbole? I just find it hilarious that moving to the side occasionally is apparently a "complexity for complexity's sake". Please tell me more about how much trouble that is. you know what would make this combat really awesome instead of suck? stepping to the right, and then back to the left
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Sep 21, 2015 22:52
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Eimi posted:I'd also argue that the class changes they made for the expansion are moronic pursuit of complexity for complexitiy's sake. At least that more than anything killed the game. Dumb poo poo like Enochian, Wanderer's Minuet changing how blm and brd play and then loving adding back positionals to ninja when ninja was good because it didn't have that bullshit. The fact that the current end game is a mess doesn't help but I think they made some fundamentally wrong decisions in how they changed dps classes. Healers and tanks got off fairly well, bloated skillbars aside. I'll agree that Enochian sucks, yeah. Feels like they made classes more "complicated" for the sake of it for whatever reason. Still, it's better than any other game available right now.
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Sep 21, 2015 23:09
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YoshiOfYellow posted:Screeching hyperbole? I just find it hilarious that moving to the side occasionally is apparently a "complexity for complexity's sake". Please tell me more about how much trouble that is. Sally forth, valiant knight. Let none stop thine quest with rewards of middling value.
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Sep 21, 2015 23:13
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YoshiOfYellow posted:Screeching hyperbole? I just find it hilarious that moving to the side occasionally is apparently a "complexity for complexity's sake". Please tell me more about how much trouble that is. Lol
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Sep 21, 2015 23:28
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YoshiOfYellow posted:Screeching hyperbole? I just find it hilarious that moving to the side occasionally is apparently a "complexity for complexity's sake". Please tell me more about how much trouble that is. poo poo my main before I quit was black mage, not ninja. And positionals have been an annoyance and detriment to having fun in every game they've been in. Having to shuffle around, make sure you're on the right side, especially when poo poo is going on, tanks running around, you have to deal with aoes is just frustrating. They don't feel good when you get them right, they just feel awful when you get it wrong. That kind of design is indefensible to me.
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So standing still while you mash buttons is much more engaging than moving around. Got it, thanks for clarifying that.
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YoshiOfYellow posted:So standing still while you mash buttons is just as engaging as moving around. Got it, thanks for clarifying that. FTFY
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If something is not particularly fun to begin with, adding an extra level of irritating complexity doesn't automatically make it better. You try and make the initial thing more fun first.
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Sep 22, 2015 00:27
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I liked positional BAM combat in TERA as it was hectic in a fun way and very movement oriented. I didn't do any melee dps in FFXIV so I can't really comment on it. Melee dps is typically more involved when it comes to situation awareness in MMOs and the moment you do group content you're mostly going to be poking something in the butt regardless. I will say it does sound lovely if you're constantly having to dance around to just keep your baseline dps. Wildstar forcing you to dodge every attack got old fast.
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Sep 22, 2015 01:07
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Only another week-ish and then we can all play Wildstar to fill time waiting for our favorite MMO expansion/content patch to drop: SWTOR expansion: Oct 27th GW2 expansion: Oct 23rd FFXIV 3.1: Probably in a few weeks? WoW: I dunno wait for Blizzcon? STO: Season 11 sometime this year YoshiOfYellow posted:So standing still while you mash buttons is much more engaging than moving around. Got it, thanks for clarifying that. I mean constantly moving totally worked for Wildstar right?
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Sep 22, 2015 01:17
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A sad day when you can actually say "You know, TOR is probably the least bad out of that bunch" and be totally right.
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Mayor McCheese posted:I liked positional BAM combat in TERA as it was hectic in a fun way and very movement oriented. I didn't do any melee dps in FFXIV so I can't really comment on it. Melee dps is typically more involved when it comes to situation awareness in MMOs and the moment you do group content you're mostly going to be poking something in the butt regardless. When I played a melee dps class in FFXIV it pretty much amounted to moving 90 degrees clockwise and counterclockwise around the target every 2 seconds. I'd rather it just let me do my rotation (  ) and limit the positioning to avoiding boss mechanics.
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Morglon posted:A sad day when you can actually say "You know, TOR is probably the least bad out of that bunch" and be totally right. And honestly the leveling stuff started to fall apart before then, with the game relying increasingly on canned responses. Oh, and PvP apparently was done by (what was left of) Mythic, which explained a lot
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The game is fairly unremarkable but factor in the free to play model and you've got one of the worst out there. Some of the stuff I don't mind, some is just well they have to make money somehow but there's poo poo you can't get rid of unless you subscribe, like the credit cap that just fucks free players over and games that do that can just suck it.
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Bombogenesis posted:Only another week-ish and then we can all play Wildstar to fill time waiting for our favorite MMO expansion/content patch to drop: FFXIV's content update will be November so it's going to be empty next month.
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Commissar Budgie posted:I just downloaded that client for the Warhammer Online private server because How much do they have? If they capped the level at 20 it would probably be pretty fun. (My hazy WAR memories involve 1-29~ pvp owning then 30-40 pvp sucking horribly)
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A fiber optic line in the next town over was burned through and cut off my internet because of one of two reasons: california bursts into flames every summer, or WILDSTAR BETA LAUNCH TOO HOT TO HANDLE!!!!!!!!!! Because everyone is preloading the client. Can you even preload the client?
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Morglon posted:A sad day when you can actually say "You know, TOR is probably the least bad out of that bunch" and be totally right. The F2P scheme is still hilariously bad on every level though. 
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I got my hands on a guest pass. Should be interesting.
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Eimi posted:poo poo my main before I quit was black mage, not ninja. And positionals have been an annoyance and detriment to having fun in every game they've been in. Having to shuffle around, make sure you're on the right side, especially when poo poo is going on, tanks running around, you have to deal with aoes is just frustrating. They don't feel good when you get them right, they just feel awful when you get it wrong. That kind of design is indefensible to me.
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Verranicus posted:I got my hands on a guest pass. Should be interesting. It won't be
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Eimi posted:How much do they have? If they capped the level at 20 it would probably be pretty fun. (My hazy WAR memories involve 1-29~ pvp owning then 30-40 pvp sucking horribly) It was capped at 20 until very recently. Just expanded to 26. It's a very well down server. Enough to let you reminiscence on glory days past.
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Eimi posted:How much do they have? If they capped the level at 20 it would probably be pretty fun. (My hazy WAR memories involve 1-29~ pvp owning then 30-40 pvp sucking horribly) I never even saw Tier 4, but that is when the game required you to have X pieces of your endgame set in order to not get crushed by NPCs. And you got the sets either through random drops in RvR or...PvE! They took steps to fix it, but by that point people were leaving the game.
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Rorus Raz posted:Tier 1 was amazing, and Tier 2 was great. Tier 3 I hated because that's when the balance isues started to become apparent, and it also introduced scenarios with lovely mechanics like the lava pools that damage AND slow you so knockback became a lethal effect. That's not even why I hated T4, it was the insane burst. I feel in t1-3 the time to kill was pretty good, you had plenty of time to react to things and didn't really get instant gibbed. And then T4 and it all went to poo poo. Compounded by the fact that the classes weren't true mirrors so you had Bright Wizards getting the most insane skill in the game on top of their now insane burst and everything spiraled downhill. Glad to hear that the private server either made the smart decision to focus on the simplicity of the early game or they just can't get the max level stuff working. Either way staying in the 20's is good, sound like I'll have to check it out.
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The funniest thing about WAR was that both sides complained that their mirror was mega OP, except for Engis <-> Magus'. You know what was really OP? Repeatedly wiping warbands with the Rat Engineers deathaball with 400% AAO netting you >1M RP/hour  . At least I tihnk it was the Rat Engineer, might have been the warlock thing.
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Stanley Pain posted:The funniest thing about WAR was that both sides complained that their mirror was mega OP, except for Engis <-> Magus'. I played Order actually, but in terms of the Bright Wizard/Sorc thing I don't think Sorcs could really compare. Like Sorc had close range aoe while the BW was more single target, with the op move in question being a super powerful Mortal Strike effect that not only reduced healing but damaged the healer back and stunned them if they healed too much. Something like that. It was crazy. And then on top of it the Destro guys didn't get the mirror to Grudgebearer at all and Grudgebearers were absolutely amazing. So...sucked to be them.
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Warhammer Online was a good game that was ruined by EA.
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Verranicus posted:All video games were a good game that was ruined by EA. Ftfy
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Verranicus posted:Warhammer Online was a good game that was ruined by EA. But EA was the reason WAR even got enough money to come out in the first place.
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So the game is still pretty meh. I'd say my biggest complaint at this point is the horrible, horrible UI. EDIT: Oh but apparently they shut down the in-game auction house for the 9 days leading up to the F2P transition. So they've basically screwed what few paying customers they have out of a week+ of the auction house. Haha. Verranicus fucked around with this message at 02:51 on Sep 23, 2015 |
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WAR's death is probably a variety of things. EA forced the game out too early, making it drop content and not only go up against the best WoW expansion, but going up against it AFTER WAR's free month ended. Mythic also was clueless about balance, and I recall the actual end to the RvR campaign (attacking your opponent's capital) being super hosed for months. Then you have Games Workshop, who was probably responsible for a lot of the weird ways they tried to save WAR rather than go free-to-play. We're tallking really stupid poo poo like a spinoff game that never left beta (think Forge but really lovely) and paying to increase the RvR rank cap with literally no other benefits. Just pay to win over the poor fucks that don't shell out the cash.
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