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http://www.wsj.com/articles/an-unlikely-debate-prison-vs-harvard-1442616928quote:Last year Gov. Andrew Cuomo, a Democrat, proposed state grants for college classes for inmates, saying that helping them become productive taxpayers would save money long-term. He dropped the plan after attacks from Republican politicians who argued that many law-abiding families struggled to afford college and shouldn’t have pay for convicted criminals to get degrees Of course some of the disparity in outcomes here could be attributed to the different kinds of people that do and don't take advantage of prison programs like the Bard degree program, but certainly we could actually determine to what extent that skews figures if we, you know, better funded such programs on the basis of existing statistics rather than withholding funds out of spite.
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Dead Reckoning posted:My man, have you heard of these things called books? Sometimes it can take a person whole days to begin to grasp the complexities of a topic. My man, those people who could do with that information are likely dead, maimed, working too many extra hours, in jail or lack the resources to use the information to prevent the injustices inflicted upon them.
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oohhboy posted:My man, those people who could do with that information are likely dead, maimed, working too many extra hours, in jail or lack the resources to use the information to prevent the injustices inflicted upon them. Uhhh.. I thought you were talking about people who watch John Oliver.
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computer parts posted:I was curious at what point kids should be charged as adults. Roughly 25. Males as stupid as poo poo until fairly old.
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Kalman posted:The secret of John Oliver is that he's actually not very good at handling complex issues and oversimplifies them in ways that are misleading regarding the actual issues and are typically incredibly frustrating if you actually understand the field he's spending 15 minutes on. This is going to be a problem anytime you try to gear an introduction to a complex field for a general audience. Don't get me started about all how Bill Nye misleads children with his horrible lies of simplified science. The whole point of democracy is that people who aren't experts in every conceivable field can elect people who are able to devote the time and consult the relevant experts to fix these issues, but that only works if people are aware there's a problem in the first place.
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VitalSigns posted:This is going to be a problem anytime you try to gear an introduction to a complex field for a general audience. Don't get me started about all how Bill Nye misleads children with his horrible lies of simplified science. I actually think his other criminal justice episodes were pretty decent. This one was a let down because there are certainly legitimate issues, I think he just missed the mark.
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Also, watch the documentaries and Frontline episodes highlighted in that episode because they're eye opening and soul loving crushing.
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Boywhiz88 posted:Also, watch the documentaries and Frontline episodes highlighted in that episode because they're eye opening and soul loving crushing. This. I think the one they cited a lot was Gideon's Army, wherein a completely innocent kid was forced to take a plea deal because the DA hosed around and got someone to falsely accuse the guy, and then he had to sit there and listen to a judge rail into him for how terrible he was before getting a maximum sentence when they were hoping for probation. That poor kid was a lot stronger than me because I would have lost it.
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Off-duty cop shot a guy 6 times for no reason (he was drunk) and has been on paid leave for 17 months
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theCalamity posted:Off-duty cop shot a guy 6 times for no reason (he was drunk) and has been on paid leave for 17 months But guys, he was drunk, that makes it not a real crime! quote:Judge Barry Warhit accepted the plea deal, which calls for Cronin to serve nine years in prison on the two felony counts of attempted murder and two felony counts of first degree assault, as well as one year concurrently on a misdemeanor DWI count. At least he's facing real prison time, but I wonder how long he'll still be on the payroll of NYPD. Edit: Anyone want to defend this line of police questioning/argument: quote:OFFICER: Hey, Shalandra, what are these ones? Trabisnikof fucked around with this message at 04:56 on Sep 23, 2015 |
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Trabisnikof posted:But guys, he was drunk, that makes it not a real crime! He's getting 9 years, hardly not a real crime. Also, in some states the drunk thing can gently caress up the intent required for murder. Generally, you're fired immedately upon a felony plea.
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nm posted:He's getting 9 years, hardly not a real crime. Also, in some states the drunk thing can gently caress up the intent required for murder. Yeah, I'm just so used to cases where even ex-cops get off free that actually going to prison is a shock to me. Also, it seems he was allowed to resign instead of getting fired. Probably faster to be honest. Someone want to explain how this man's death isn't the responsibility of his jailers? quote:David Stojcevski, a 32-year-old resident of Roseville, Michigan, was arrested for failing to pay a $772 fine stemming from careless driving. A court ordered him to spend a month in the Macomb County jail.
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Delaware cops shoot a man in a wheelchair that allegedly had a gun. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1SqjwaFL70
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Gropiemon posted:Delaware cops shoot a man in a wheelchair that allegedly had a gun. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1SqjwaFL70 I really wish cops would start shooting white people so something will be done about them. EDIT: I realize my phrasing is unclear, I meant both "something will be done about cops" and "something will be done about white people"
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Everblight posted:I really wish cops would start shooting white people so something will be done about them. They do though. Difference being when a cop shoots a white person it's generally because the white person has exhausted every option the cops have to not shoot people. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbxfM-UdKuY
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Every once in a while a cop shoots a white guy and the prosecutor does the same bullshit where they try as hard as they can to not charge. People get more pissed off and the victim doesn't get the "he was no angel" treatment but nothing changes since the system doesn't want to and people have little power over it.
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Gropiemon posted:Delaware cops shoot a man in a wheelchair that allegedly had a gun. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1SqjwaFL70 The cops were called because the guy had already shot himself and lived. The cops were just there to assist in his suicide. The only way to handle a suicidal person with a gun is to charge them, yelling drop it, then shoot them.
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Everblight posted:I really wish cops would start shooting white people so something will be done about them.
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Just wanted to apologize for those last two posts, I
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http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/local/story/2015/sep/25/tn-police-officer-charged-murdering-infant-son/327105/ A Henry County man has confessed to causing the injuries that killed his 3-month-old son, according to warrants made public in Henry County General Sessions Court Friday morning. Christopher Warren Page, 28, of 286 Howard Road north of Puryear, has also been fired from his job as a patrolman with the Paris Police Department. Page was arrested Thursday by the Tennessee Bureau of Investigation and charged with first-degree murder and aggravated child abuse. According to warrants signed by TBI special agents Brandt Holt, Joe Walker and Valerie Troutt, Page "gave a voluntary confession" concerning the charges. He appeared in court this morning in Henry County, with Carroll County General Sessions Judge Larry Logan serving as judge pro tempore in his case. Logan set a $500,000 bond for Page. Page's son, Gunner, was 3 months old when he died earlier this month. The incident began the morning of Sept. 2, when 911 dispatchers received a call from the home. "The initial call was that he (the child) had stopped breathing," Henry County Sheriff Monte Belew said earlier this month.
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Killing A White Person Is Almost The Only Reason Murderers Ever Receive The Death Penalty From Louisiana: quote:The study, by Frank Baumgartner and Tim Lyman, reveals stark racial disparities in death sentences and executions. Though African Americans make up 72 percent of murder victims in Louisiana, people who kill black men or women constitute only 33 percent of those sentenced to death and only 21 percent of those who are actually executed. White people, by contrast, make up 26 percent of victims but their killers make up 79 percent of people who are executed.
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So despite cops not necessarily being the most accurate shos, turns out there is more to firefights and firearm usage than just shot placement. http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonkblog/wp/2015/07/28/watch-what-happens-when-regular-people-try-to-use-handguns-in-self-defense/ quote:Now a new study from researchers at Mount St. Mary's University sheds some light on why people don't use guns in self-defense very often. As it turns out, knowing when and how to apply lethal force in a potentially life-or-death situation is really difficult.
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Vahakyla posted:So despite cops not necessarily being the most accurate shos, turns out there is more to firefights and firearm usage than just shot placement. Of course, the worst of all possible situations would be someone who is inadequately trained, such that they have unwarranted confidence in their ability to handle the situation. Perhaps the most important thing that could be done involving police officers and shootings would be limiting the amount of officers who go armed more strictly. Politically untenable at several different levels though.
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Another case of police incompetence (summary from Jezebel):quote:In 2011, two weeks after Hera McLeod gave birth to Prince, her first child, her fiancé Joaquin Rams allegedly raped her younger sister Lara. When Lara went on the record about being raped (filing her report at the encouragement of the police department, despite being extremely unwilling to do so), the police came to the conclusion that she was lying and summarily charged Lara with making a false report to law enforcement. Hera in turn was charged with with obstruction of justice, allegedly for deleting video footage that depicted her sister’s rape. http://www.buzzfeed.com/katiejmbaker/the-police-told-her-to-report-her-rape-then-arrested-her-for#.yrO07Zq1NM And the worst: quote:Hera hasn’t spoken to Joaquin since the day her parents told her he raped her sister. But, every year on Prince’s birthday, she sends a letter to the authorities who she holds just as responsible for his death. This year, she included a photo of Prince with his two front teeth in, smiling and sitting on a red truck — with his birth and death dates printed above. Geez. Amazing how that cop's not looking over her shoulder every single minute of the day.
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She needs to put the photo on the envelope in the future so the cop has to at least look at the consequences of her actions.
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Tubesock Holocaust posted:Another case of police incompetence (summary from Jezebel): This seems too Kafkaesque for reality. The younger sister is pressured to report a rape, and then charged with making up a report. Meanwhile, the older sister is charged with obstruction of justice for deleting evidence of a crime that -- according to the police -- didn't happen. It really seems like there's some information that's been omitted from the summary presented.
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Grundulum posted:This seems too Kafkaesque for reality. The younger sister is pressured to report a rape, and then charged with making up a report. Meanwhile, the older sister is charged with obstruction of justice for deleting evidence of a crime that -- according to the police -- didn't happen. It really seems like there's some information that's been omitted from the summary presented. Yeah, there is. Washington Post has a longer article. The key omitted info is that the video existed, was deleted, but was retrievable: quote:Rams told police the sex was consensual and he had secretly videotaped it, using the camera that two weeks earlier had recorded the birth of his son. McLeod had taken the camera when she collected her belongings. After first telling police she didn’t have it (she said she feared Rams would post childbirth shots online), she turned it over to them. Rams was shown the camera, and he said the video had been deleted. Rams’s lawyer offered the use of his office and a computer expert to restore the video. Police said the video showed that the sex was consensual. Based primarily on the tape, they concluded that no rape had occurred and charged the sister with making a false report and McLeod with obstruction of justice. (I doubt the sex was actually consensual, but if you only have a tape of the act and not the coercion, it may not be that easy to see.)
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Well obviously a cop's job is to arrest people, and by charging the woman and her sister they got two arrests rather then just one!
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http://thefreethoughtproject.com/watch-officers-colleague-beats-handcuffed-prisoner/#H40PR9TlrYbZivzc.16 If there was no video, no one would be held accountable.
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I guess losing their jobs is better than nothing, but I'm not sure being allowed to get away with a crime committed on video is "accountable."
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Lemming posted:I guess losing their jobs is better than nothing, but I'm not sure being allowed to get away with a crime committed on video is "accountable." Can police officers be charged with crimes for failing to uphold their duties? I don't believe this is the case, so termination of employment is probably all that can be done. If nothing else, 'fired with cause' is a hell of a lot more accountability than 'nothing', and if this was a typical outcome for allowing your coworkers to abuse prisoners I imagine it would be much less of a problem. The police officer who actually struck the blows should definitely face criminal charges in addition to being fired, though..
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Voyager I posted:Can police officers be charged with crimes for failing to uphold their duties? I don't believe this is the case, so termination of employment is probably all that can be done. If nothing else, 'fired with cause' is a hell of a lot more accountability than 'nothing'. I doubt they reported the crime however. That's against the law in some places. Or if they took any actions to help conceal the crime, that'd be accessory if they weren't cops.
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PostNouveau posted:Killing A White Person Is Almost The Only Reason Murderers Ever Receive The Death Penalty I'm assuming the reason why the stats come out that way is because white homicide victims are more likely to be killed by white perpetrators, and black homicide victims are more likely to be killed by black perpetrators. Despite all of America's racial paranoia, murders rarely cross racial lines, because most murders occur between people who know each other, and America is a pretty racially segregated place. If you're black and you get murdered, a black guy is probably the one who is going to do it. If you're white, watch out for white guys. As far as the deeper reason for the divide, is it because Louisiana values black lives less? So they should execute more black perpetrators of homicide? That'd be an odd conclusion to reach. My theory is that a lot of black homicides are second degree, like stupid beef escalating out of control, where white guys are plotting to kill their bosses and spouses and racking up big first degree rap sheets that result in their execution. But that's just a guess. BrutalistMcDonalds fucked around with this message at 07:52 on Sep 29, 2015 |
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Maybe all those lynchings of black people in Louisiana were for the deeper reason that black people are just way more likely to commit acts egregious enough to enrage the town into lynching fever. Why does it always have to be about race? What is the conclusion anyway, that we should lynch more white people? That's an odd conclusion to reach. Omi-Polari posted:Despite all of America's racial paranoia, murders rarely cross racial lines, because most murders occur between people who know each other, and America is a pretty racially segregated place. If you're black and you get murdered, a black guy is probably the one who is going to do it. If you're white, watch out for white guys. This is a baffling misunderstanding of statistics. The reason you're more likely to be killed by white people if you're white is because you encounter them more, not because they're especially dangerous to you if you're white too. "Watching out for white guys" if you're white doesn't make sense. You'd have as much luck saying "watch out for the first 4 out of every 5 people you meet". VitalSigns fucked around with this message at 08:58 on Sep 29, 2015 |
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VitalSigns posted:The reason you're more likely to be killed by white people if you're white is because you encounter them more, not because they're especially dangerous to you if you're white too. Omi-Polari posted:murders rarely cross racial lines, because most murders occur between people who know each other,
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Well yes my objection doesn't make much sense if you chop out the line I was objecting to, now does it
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VitalSigns posted:Well yes my objection doesn't make much sense if you chop out the line I was objecting to, now does it
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Oh okay well if that's how you read it then I guess the misunderstanding was on my end, whoops.
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Omi-Polari posted:I think this is true but misleading. Yes, killing a white person is more likely to result in the death penalty, according to the study, but white males are also disproportionately more likely to receive the death penalty than black males in Louisiana, says the same study. It's actually an example of simpsons paradox, the key is that the race of the victim (rather than race of the suspect) is by far the biggest predictor of a death penalty being given. Also you will find similar statistics in a lot of places, I remember seeing basically the same numbers for florida in the 90s-00s e: that is your first paragraph is incorrect because of simpsons paradox. Once you control for victim race, black people are disproportionately more likely to receive the death penalty. TROIKA CURES GREEK fucked around with this message at 10:43 on Sep 29, 2015 |
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http://nypost.com/2015/09/29/nypd-fires-semen-slinging-sergeant/ Iscenko, who also faces sex-abuse charges, will keep his pension. Same old same.
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