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marktheando
Nov 4, 2006

pointsofdata posted:

I've seen a few people on twitter saying that the SNP just voted with the Tories against reintroducing the 50p tax rate, is it true? I can't find any other source at the moment.

Parliament is in recess at the moment, so no.

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sebzilla
Mar 17, 2009

Kid's blasting everything in sight with that new-fangled musket.


I think probably when something is dead and cut up it stops being an animal, although I'm not sure philosophically where the line is drawn. Having a wank with bacon round your knob is probably not the same as bumming a still-warm pig corpse. Severed head is somewhere in the middle, I guess. Definitely towards the still an animal side, but who knows in terms of legality etc.

Either way, David Cameron put his knob in a dead pig's mouth to try to be popular.

massive spider
Dec 6, 2006

You know all those rumours about Labour members defecting to the Lib Dems?

quote:

A Liberal Democrat councillor has defected to Labour in support of Jeremy Corbyn, becoming Richmond's first Labour councillor in more than 13 years.

Teddington Councillor Jennifer Churchill, partner of the borough's former Lib Dem leader and fellow Councillor Stephen Knight, said new party leader Tim Farron "doesn't seem to stand for anything".

She also criticised her former party for "parroting Tory economic propaganda".

http://www.richmondandtwickenhamtim...bour/?ref=fbshr

Fans
Jun 27, 2013

A reptile dysfunction
So while we mustn't ever forget that David Cameron hosed a Dead Pig, was I just dreaming or did a General actually threaten to Mutiny if Corbyn got elected?

Phoon
Apr 23, 2010

massive spider posted:

You know all those rumours about Labour members defecting to the Lib Dems?


http://www.richmondandtwickenhamtim...bour/?ref=fbshr

hahaha

Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009

I really hope a Lib Dem MP defects to Labour, that would be the ultimate hallmark of shame.

darkwasthenight
Jan 7, 2011

GENE TRAITOR

pointsofdata posted:

I've seen a few people on twitter saying that the SNP just voted with the Tories against reintroducing the 50p tax rate, is it true? I can't find any other source at the moment.

I can't find any decent sources in any of those tweets and I'm not a parliamentary procedure expert, but looks like it's spin and they're referring to motion S4M 14311.13 brought up today in Scottish Parliament where Labour tried to get them to commit to a 50p tax for education at some point in the nebulous future should income tax powers be devolved. Correct me if I'm barking up the wrong pig.

darkwasthenight fucked around with this message at 19:41 on Sep 22, 2015

marktheando
Nov 4, 2006

So a vote to reintroduce the 50p rate in the parliament that doesn't have the power to reintroduce the 50p rate, sounds like something Scottish Labour would do.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

sebzilla posted:

I think probably when something is dead and cut up it stops being an animal, although I'm not sure philosophically where the line is drawn. Having a wank with bacon round your knob is probably not the same as bumming a still-warm pig corpse. Severed head is somewhere in the middle, I guess. Definitely towards the still an animal side, but who knows in terms of legality etc.
It's legal.

You can gently caress a dead animal wherever you want (in terms of orifice, not location. if you did it in the middle of Waitrose that's still illegal). You can't gently caress a live animal in the vagina or anus. So you can still gently caress a live pig in the mouth. However:


Putting the two together, it's clearly legal to gently caress a dead pig in the mouth. Like David Cameron did.

However, from the description of the act, there were other people present. There was at least three, himself, the person whose pig crotch he was loving, and the person taking the photograph.

Even if it happened in a private member's club (fnar fnar) that would still make it possibly an act of public indecency, assuming it happened prior to 1997/2000, which as Cameron graduated in 1988 I'm assuming it did.

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


Fun Shoe

Pistol_Pete posted:

Just seen an amazing statistic that more people have joined Labour in the last week (62,000) than there are members of the Lib Dem party.








Ok, perhaps that's not such an amazing achievement these days but anyway.

The best thing is that we may be on the cusp of Corbyn and pals resurrecting Labour as a political mass movement, because I'm pretty sure that there's nobody left in the political class who'd know how to deal with something like that. You can do a hell of a lot when you have nearly 400000 members and rising in your political organization as long as you're smart enough to utilize that potential.

Angepain
Jul 13, 2012

what keeps happening to my clothes

OwlFancier posted:

That's the last two pages, I have to copy each post in by hand or I'd do more. I'd love to try it with the last few dozen pages.

Getting this using python was a real fun project, I have no regrets.

baka kaba
Jul 19, 2003

PLEASE ASK ME, THE SELF-PROFESSED NO #1 PAUL CATTERMOLE FAN IN THE SOMETHING AWFUL S-CLUB 7 MEGATHREAD, TO NAME A SINGLE SONG BY HIS EXCELLENT NU-METAL SIDE PROJECT, SKUA, AND IF I CAN'T PLEASE TELL ME TO
EAT SHIT

Fans posted:

So while we mustn't ever forget that David Cameron hosed a Dead Pig, was I just dreaming or did a General actually threaten to Mutiny if Corbyn got elected?

Threatened challenges and mass resignations in the military command structure, yeah

McDragon
Sep 11, 2007

Angepain posted:

Getting this using python was a real fun project, I have no regrets.

I like that this starts off sensible and about the economy and nuclear weapons and privatization and so on, and then moves swiftly on to pig loving.

Also I hope that photo is real and whoever it is who has it is just waiting for the perfect moment to have it blown up fifty times and attached to the London Eye.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Angepain posted:

Getting this using python was a real fun project, I have no regrets.

Then how can I refuse?



People just loving being really like british allegations David hosed dead.

OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 20:11 on Sep 22, 2015

Coohoolin
Aug 5, 2012

Oor Coohoolie.

pointsofdata posted:

I've seen a few people on twitter saying that the SNP just voted with the Tories against reintroducing the 50p tax rate, is it true? I can't find any other source at the moment.

Labour moved a motion in committee today for the Scottish Government to raise the 45p tax rate to 50p and spend it on education. Everyone else voted it down, because we don't have the power yet and we haven't even begun the budget process for that year yet.

Labour are tweeting this as "SNP vote with the Tories against a 50p tax rate"


efb. yeah it's basically Scotlab being the usual petulant pricks.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Coohoolin posted:

Labour are tweeting this as "SNP vote with the Tories against a 50p tax rate"

Surely it should be "SNP vote with the Tory against the Labour?

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

Angepain posted:

Getting this using python was a real fun project, I have no regrets.
This makes it even more striking. The calm before the storm. A flickering a nukechat. The Corbyn 'mutiny'. Then bam. Pig sex.

OwlFancier posted:

Then how can I refuse?


i'm people just bad loving.

sebzilla posted:

Definitely towards the still an animal side, but who knows in terms of legality etc.

Guavanaut posted:

However, from the description of the act, there were other people present. There was at least three, himself, the person whose pig crotch he was loving, and the person taking the photograph.

Even if it happened in a private member's club (fnar fnar) that would still make it possibly an act of public indecency, assuming it happened prior to 1997/2000, which as Cameron graduated in 1988 I'm assuming it did.
Just to expand on this, because it might be important:

Prior to the Sexual Offences Act (2000) & (2003), and the 1997 ECHR legal case that brought them about, sex crimes were largely governed by the Sexual Offences Act (1956). This was an old and bad act (although the ones that replaced it have major issues of their own too) but the important things to note are that although most of it has been repealed by later acts, the repealed sections still apply to sex crimes committed before the repeal. The 1956 Act created the offence of gross indecency between men, which was then later partially decriminalized by the Sexual Offences Act (1967). The 1967 Act allowed for homosexual acts in private between two men over the age of 21. The key part that slipped through there was that where more than two men are present, even if it is a private premises, an offence of gross indecency between men has still been committed.

Now, due to the sexist nature of this dining club, I think it's safe to say that all those at the private initiation ceremony were men. And we know that there were at least three, the pledge, the holder of the head, and the photographer. There were probably more, but three's enough.

If it was agreed that sticking your boris johnson into a pork product mounted on another chaps crotch is a sexual act, or qualifies as a sexual act, then there is grounds there that Mr. Cameron, if he did as alleged, committed a sexual offence of gross indecency.

I hope there aren't any charges, funny as that might be, because it gives weight to these awful homophobic old laws that deserve to be thrown on the fire, but as the law is written by loving another man's crotch in front of an audience in the mid-1980s an offence was committed. The dead pig's head is simply decoration.

Coohoolin
Aug 5, 2012

Oor Coohoolie.

OwlFancier posted:

Surely it should be "SNP vote with the Tory against the Labour?

I think I get the joke, but this was a Holyrood motion, where there are actually more than one single Tory and Labour MSPs.

I think.

mrpwase
Apr 21, 2010

I HAVE GREAT AVATAR IDEAS
For the Many, Not the Few


DAVID hosed DEAD :ohdear:

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Coohoolin posted:

I think I get the joke, but this was a Holyrood motion, where there are actually more than one single Tory and Labour MSPs.

I think.

Oh yeah duh I forgot that.

"Labour tories government election Jeremy public went."

I think these frequency charts might be onto something.

Angepain, if that python script is extendable it'd be pretty fun to do one of those for every thread.

OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 20:19 on Sep 22, 2015

A Winner is Jew
Feb 14, 2008

by exmarx

Guavanaut posted:

This makes it even more striking. The calm before the storm. A flickering a nukechat. The Corbyn 'mutiny'. Then bam. Pig sex.

i'm people just bad loving.


Just to expand on this, because it might be important:

Prior to the Sexual Offences Act (2000) & (2003), and the 1997 ECHR legal case that brought them about, sex crimes were largely governed by the Sexual Offences Act (1956). This was an old and bad act (although the ones that replaced it have major issues of their own too) but the important things to note are that although most of it has been repealed by later acts, the repealed sections still apply to sex crimes committed before the repeal. The 1956 Act created the offence of gross indecency between men, which was then later partially decriminalized by the Sexual Offences Act (1967). The 1967 Act allowed for homosexual acts in private between two men over the age of 21. The key part that slipped through there was that where more than two men are present, even if it is a private premises, an offence of gross indecency between men has still been committed.

Now, due to the sexist nature of this dining club, I think it's safe to say that all those at the private initiation ceremony were men. And we know that there were at least three, the pledge, the holder of the head, and the photographer. There were probably more, but three's enough.

If it was agreed that sticking your boris johnson into a pork product mounted on another chaps crotch is a sexual act, or qualifies as a sexual act, then there is grounds there that Mr. Cameron, if he did as alleged, committed a sexual offence of gross indecency.

I hope there aren't any charges, funny as that might be, because it gives weight to these awful homophobic old laws that deserve to be thrown on the fire, but as the law is written by loving another man's crotch in front of an audience in the mid-1980s an offence was committed. The dead pig's head is simply decoration.

Am I the only one that finds the analytical minutia regarding the legality of David Cameron loving a dead pig just as hilarious as the fact that David Cameron hosed a dead pig?

mrpwase
Apr 21, 2010

I HAVE GREAT AVATAR IDEAS
For the Many, Not the Few


I'm sorry Owlfancier but I think mine is better

Pesmerga
Aug 1, 2005

So nice to eat you

mrpwase posted:

I'm sorry Owlfancier but I think mine is better



That is amazing

baka kaba
Jul 19, 2003

PLEASE ASK ME, THE SELF-PROFESSED NO #1 PAUL CATTERMOLE FAN IN THE SOMETHING AWFUL S-CLUB 7 MEGATHREAD, TO NAME A SINGLE SONG BY HIS EXCELLENT NU-METAL SIDE PROJECT, SKUA, AND IF I CAN'T PLEASE TELL ME TO
EAT SHIT

mrpwase posted:

I'm sorry Owlfancier but I think mine is better



Yours looks less like Cameron entering a pig head though

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

mrpwase posted:

I'm sorry Owlfancier but I think mine is better


I like it, but can the 'Cameron' be reversed so that the C is a bellend?

mrpwase
Apr 21, 2010

I HAVE GREAT AVATAR IDEAS
For the Many, Not the Few


baka kaba posted:

Yours looks less like Cameron entering a pig head though

I'm so dumb, I only just saw that :shobon:

a glitch
Jun 27, 2008

no wait stop

Soiled Meat

A Winner is Jew posted:

Am I the only one that finds the analytical minutia regarding the legality of David Cameron loving a dead pig just as hilarious as the fact that David Cameron hosed a dead pig?

Well if you want more of that then there's an entire article in the Independent that does just that!

Myles Jackman posted:

“The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.” – George Orwell, Animal Farm
Questions of satire, reality and historical anachronism came to mind upon reading yesterday’s revelations about David Cameron. According to a controversial new biography, the Prime Minister inserted a “private part of his anatomy” into a “dead pig’s head” while at Oxford University – an act that was allegedly photographed.

Hearing the allegations, I was reminded of "The National Anthem" episode of Black Mirror. In it, the Prime Minister is ransomed into having sex with a live pig on national television. But it also brought to mind some of the more surreal parts of mediaeval law. Under certain laws, animals such as pigs were subjected to criminal trial and execution for infanticide and witchcraft.

While these claims about our elected Head of State may well be fallacious, and Lord Ashcroft has said it may be a case of mistaken identity, the legal ramifications deserve probing.

Intercourse with an animal
According to section 69 of The Sexual Offences Act 2003 a person commits an offence of intercourse with an animal if:

(a) he intentionally performs an act of penetration with his penis,

(b) what is penetrated is the vagina or anus of a living animal

Since the animal in question was not living and nor was its vagina or anus penetrated it would appear no offence could have been committed under the 2003 legislation.

Sexual penetration of a corpse
According to section 70 of The Sexual Offences Act 2003 a person commits an offence of sexual penetration of a corpse if:

(a) he intentionally performs an act of penetration with a part of his body or anything else,

(b) what is penetrated is a part of the body of a dead person.

Since animals are not granted legal personhood at law no offence could have been committed under the 2003 legislation.

Outraging Public Decency
Outraging public decency is a common law offence, which requires:

1) An act of a lewd, obscene or disgusting nature which would outrage minimum standards of public decency;

2) Which is committed in a place accessible to or within view of the public;

3) In the actual presence of two or more persons, who were capable of seeing it.

This would be fact specific, based on the location of the act. Hence were it committed in a restaurant accessible to or within view of the public, and assuming that the colleague and photographer were indeed present, an offence could arise under the common law which would be punishable by unlimited imprisonment and/or an unlimited fine.

Possession of an extreme pornographic image
According to section 63 of The Criminal Justice and Immigration Act 2008, it is an offence for a person to be in possession of an extreme pornographic image of:

7) (d) a person performing an act of intercourse or oral sex with an animal (whether dead or alive), and a reasonable person looking at the image would think that any such person or animal was real.

It is interesting to note that while the act itself is legal, possessing a photograph of it could be a criminal offence attracting up to two years imprisonment.

Nonetheless, a defence might exist if it could be argued the image was not pornographic, since: “An image is 'pornographic' if it is of such a nature that it must reasonably be assumed to have been produced solely or principally for the purpose of sexual arousal.”

However, according to the Ministry of Justice’s Explanatory Note: “It is not a question of the intentions of those who produced the image. Nor is it a question of the sexual arousal of the defendant.”

Therefore, it could be argued that a person might possess such an image for the purposes of satire, political commentary or simple grossness.


What can we conclude?
Perhaps it is unsurprising, given that animals and cadavers cannot consent, that our Prime Minister voted against the proposal in The Children and Families Bill to teach the value of sexual consent, agency and negotiation in schools. Yet he is in favour of blocking and filtering pornographic images from UK internet service providers.

However, David Cameron could be considered fortunate since under European mediaeval law the punishment for bestiality, or offensa cujus nominatio crimen est, was to be put to death along with the animal.

tl;dr the act was legal, but the person who has the photo could be charged for possessing obscene pornography.

TACD
Oct 27, 2000

OwlFancier posted:

Angepain, if that python script is extendable it'd be pretty fun to do one of those for every thread.
I'm in favour of this on the grounds that from now on I expect 'David Cameron hosed a dead pig' to feature prominently.

It just occurred to me there's a Dr. David Cameron at my Uni - I felt sorry for the guy before but holy poo poo he should probably be on suicide watch now :(

A Winner is Jew
Feb 14, 2008

by exmarx

TACD posted:

I'm in favour of this on the grounds that from now on I expect 'David Cameron hosed a dead pig' to feature prominently.

It just occurred to me there's a Dr. David Cameron at my Uni - I felt sorry for the guy before but holy poo poo he should probably be on suicide watch now :(

Why? Before he was the David Cameron that wasn't the PM, now he's the David Cameron that never hosed a dead pig. I'd say that's cause for a celebration really.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

a glitch posted:

tl;dr the act was legal, but the person who has the photo could be charged for possessing obscene pornography.
They're assuming that an historic sex offence would be charged against the criteria of the 2003 Act though, whereas it's specifically mentioned in case precedent relating to seemingly every celebrity in the 70s recently that the repealed sections of the prior Acts still apply to sex crimes committed before the repeal. So the act Cameron performed wasn't legal, but the illegality was nothing to do with the pig.

e: If he was to do it again for us now, possibly in a small private showing, that would apparently be fine. But nobody could take pictures.

MrL_JaKiri
Sep 23, 2003

A bracing glass of carrot juice!
In Doctor Who, the Doctor's grand daughter left the TARDIS because she was in love with David Cameron. And that's why you should always travel back in time to check.

baka kaba
Jul 19, 2003

PLEASE ASK ME, THE SELF-PROFESSED NO #1 PAUL CATTERMOLE FAN IN THE SOMETHING AWFUL S-CLUB 7 MEGATHREAD, TO NAME A SINGLE SONG BY HIS EXCELLENT NU-METAL SIDE PROJECT, SKUA, AND IF I CAN'T PLEASE TELL ME TO
EAT SHIT

mrpwase posted:

I'm so dumb, I only just saw that :shobon:

It's ok, we're all learning to see the world through new eyes here!

Gonzo McFee
Jun 19, 2010
Face sitting and squirting bad, pig loving good. - Pigfucker Dave.

Renaissance Robot
Oct 10, 2010

Bite my furry metal ass
Pro level Facebook comment: "it was probably just Osborne wearing a costume" :mrapig:

I'm sure I've seen this belltoon before

Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009

Renaissance Robot posted:

Pro level Facebook comment: "it was probably just Osborne wearing a costume" :mrapig:

I'm sure I've seen this belltoon before

When I first heard about it my response (after a moment of disbelief) 'and there I thought he didn't get on with Boris...'

Acaila
Jan 2, 2011



Just bought an SNP spad cake and irn bru on condition he gets the Nats to oink at Cameron at the next PMQS. Apparently that's not for a few weeks but I don't care.

Not Operator
Jan 1, 2009

Not A doctor, THE Doctor!
I'm disappointed that I can't see "full" or "communism" in those word clouds.

Or if they are there and I just haven't noticed, then I'm disappointed they're so small.

winegums
Dec 21, 2012


http://s4.b3ta.com/host/creative/6072/1442860327/runpepparun.gif

The internet is the best at making fun of David Cameron for loving a pig

Trickjaw
Jun 23, 2005
Nadie puede dar lo que no tiene



Guavanaut posted:

They're assuming that an historic sex offence would be charged against the criteria of the 2003 Act though, whereas it's specifically mentioned in case precedent relating to seemingly every celebrity in the 70s recently that the repealed sections of the prior Acts still apply to sex crimes committed before the repeal. So the act Cameron performed wasn't legal, but the illegality was nothing to do with the pig.

e: If he was to do it again for us now, possibly in a small private showing, that would apparently be fine. But nobody could take pictures.

Take pictures? I'd be chipping it out in marble.

Elsewhere, Gideon padding about in China seems laughably dangerous. Everything I have read is that China is sailing drat close to a crash, and we are shackling ourselves to them? Seems a bit of a gamble, but what the gently caress, its not his money.

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Angepain
Jul 13, 2012

what keeps happening to my clothes

OwlFancier posted:

Angepain, if that python script is extendable it'd be pretty fun to do one of those for every thread.

Yeah, it is, if people want to poke at it it's here, for Python 3. Not making any claims that it's a particularly great piece of programming, but it seems to work. Note that an essential part of the script is making a specified number of requests to the SA server one after another, but i imagine they won't be too bothered.

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