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crazy cloud posted:what http://radaronline.com/photos/hillary-clinton-health-issues-tell-all-claims/photo/1202941/ It's just another hit piece book on Clinton, builds on her health issues from a couple of years ago.
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Sir Tonk posted:http://radaronline.com/photos/hillary-clinton-health-issues-tell-all-claims/photo/1202941/ oh word no idea why I wasn't able to extrapolate that from a headline of book: she's sick I must not meet the minimum literacy requirements for drudge readership or something
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Just a reminder how extreme today's Republican party has become since the days of George W. Bush when it comes to Muslims. http://www.vox.com/2015/9/22/9371313/republicans-islam-bush quote:On September 17, 2001, President George W. Bush gave a speech at the Islamic Center of Washington, DC, urging Americans not to fear Islam and to embrace Muslim-Americans as fellow citizens. I wonder if George W. Bush could even be elected in today's Republican environment theblackw0lf fucked around with this message at 21:14 on Sep 22, 2015 |
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You must be a RINO. In other news, Jeb! was using stock footage from the UK and Asia for "his" superpac's ad attacking Trump. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5kAom55cj8
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crazy cloud posted:what She sick
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Going by that poll, then, I would guess Rubio as the most likely nominee. Jeb can't beat Trump in a head-to-head. Carson and Fiorina can, but have the odds against them for the same structural and institutional reasons as Trump, only minus his infinite money and showmanship. Caveat: possible Kasich/Christie surges, Jeb experiences upswing in favorability, or polls this early turn out not to matter!
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theblackw0lf posted:Hillary is proposing a 250 monthly cap on prescription drugs for those with chronic and serious medical issues This is kind of huge news. Everyone I know who is over 60 is paying over a grand a month for prescription pills. It's absolutely ridiculous. I never want to get old, it's going to loving SUCK. Though, I'm not sure why she shouldn't just make them free for everyone at this point. Along with all other health care in general. Quit beating around the bush and just make it something everyone gets for free.
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Philthy posted:This is kind of huge news. Everyone I know who is over 60 is paying over a grand a month for prescription pills. It's absolutely ridiculous. The fact that medicine as a field is subject to capitalistic pressure and the free market is abhorrent, really.
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Third World Reggin posted:You just have to agree to one thing. That donald trump, while talking to playboy, agreed he read a book written about him by a disgruntled employee. If you believe that, then yah, he said everything was true. "Mr Trump in this book written by Some Guy who claims he worked for you, he said you said some racist things" "Yeah he worked for me and those sound like a thing I would say. But also, that guy is a loser." Case closed guys trump's not a racist
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A Neurotic Jew posted:hmmm yea having all the money wrapped up, netting a bunch of endorsements, polling consistently at +30 points in South Carolina, and seeing a reverse- trend Iowa poll with a 22 point lead by a major polling outfit is a pretty gritty situation, I agree fellow forums poster. No, don't you see, you can't stop the Bernmentum. Why not? Well, because
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stephenfry posted:he's continuing to edge past You know, if you guys treated this more like an election and less like a religion, you'd be taken more seriously.
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Mitt Romney posted:Anyone who still thinks Trump has a chance at the nomination should read these numbers. He's not going to win. Considering that as of a little earlier this month you still thought Bush had a chance, and Trump is soundly thrashing Bush here, have you changed your mind about that or is there some unseen consistency to your claim? And why do those factors apply to Bush but not Trump in a way that this, specifically, is proof positive Trump can't win?
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Mitt Romney posted:Anyone who still thinks Trump has a chance at the nomination should read these numbers. He's not going to win. Just ignore that he is beating the best funded Republican candidate in head to head.
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I'm not sure why there is all the hand-wringing about people in this forum "liking" Trump. I don't think many people in this forum genuinely LIKE Trump, it's just that most of us recognize that he is a terribly destructive force that exists within the Republican Party, a real piece of poo poo party that needs to change. In general, I think it's healthy for a "conservative" party to exist in a large nation like the United States... but the GOP ain't it-- they are simply obstructionists at the federal level. The racism, xenophobia, and bigotry on full display within the GOP doesn't just exist in a vacuum. There will be consequences that I think will be on full display during the general election. Watching Trump is like watching the GOP shoot themselves in the foot with a pellet gun over, and over, and over, and over....
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crazy cloud posted:what Sir Tonk posted:http://radaronline.com/photos/hillary-clinton-health-issues-tell-all-claims/photo/1202941/ And also Matt Drudge made his bones busting open the Lewinsky scandal back in the 90s, so going after the Clintons is something that, at this point, I think he does automatically, without any conscious thought or recollection afterward.
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theblackw0lf posted:Just a reminder how extreme today's Republican party has become since the days of George W. Bush when it comes to Muslims. Vox is trash but this is actually a pretty good summary of how nutty things have become and how forgetful a lot of voters tend to be.
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Senf posted:Vox is trash but this is actually a pretty good summary of how nutty things have become and how forgetful a lot of voters tend to be. "George W Bush? Who was he? All I remember is that Clinton was the worst, most socialist president ever back in the 90s, then 9/11 happened, then Obama (who probably caused 9/11) was the worst, most socialist president ever!"
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quote:“I give you credit, for that,” continued Carson. “But I’m not gonna denigrate you because of your faith and you shouldn’t denigrate me for mine.” http://www.buzzfeed.com/andrewkaczynski/ben-carson-defends-repeats-big-bang-comments-you-shouldnt-de?utm_term=.wlZW5DzE5#.mi2kYBb4R 
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sharkbomb posted:I'm not sure why there is all the hand-wringing about people in this forum "liking" Trump. I don't think many people in this forum genuinely LIKE Trump, it's just that most of us recognize that he is a terribly destructive force that exists within the Republican Party, a real piece of poo poo party that needs to change. In general, I think it's healthy for a "conservative" party to exist in a large nation like the United States... but the GOP ain't it-- they are simply obstructionists at the federal level. The people we are yelling at have expressed a like of and desire/pledge to vote for Trump. I feel the same way as you do, at least in this post, I'm just saying, there are actually people in this thread who actually like Trump in the unironic I'm going to vote for him way.
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GlyphGryph posted:Considering that as of a little earlier this month you still thought Bush had a chance, and Trump is soundly thrashing Bush here, have you changed your mind about that or is there some unseen consistency to your claim? And why do those factors apply to Bush but not Trump in a way that this, specifically, is proof positive Trump can't win? I still think Bush will be the nominee. You can't underestimate money, endorsements, almost the entire establishment support and the field organization that Bush has. Trump has none of that and his ceiling is 38% in head to head match-ups. The reason the same rules don't apply to both candidates is that they are both very different candidates with different methods of support. Polls don't matter that much this far from the election. Trump's high polling numbers mean virtually nothing right now as do Jeb's low polling numbers.
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sharkbomb posted:I'm not sure why there is all the hand-wringing about people in this forum "liking" Trump. I don't think many people in this forum genuinely LIKE Trump, it's just that most of us recognize that he is a terribly destructive force that exists within the Republican Party, a real piece of poo poo party that needs to change. In general, I think it's healthy for a "conservative" party to exist in a large nation like the United States... but the GOP ain't it-- they are simply obstructionists at the federal level. basically I don't trust young white men to not get suckered into voting for trump if it came to the general, haha
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Mitt Romney posted:I still think Bush will be the nominee. You can't underestimate money, endorsements, almost the entire establishment support and the field organization that Bush has. Trump has none of that and his ceiling is 38% in head to head match-ups. I tend to agree, though I'm less certain now than I was, say, a month or two ago. I mean seriously, I knew Jeb! was your standard boring GOP suit, but I would never have thought he was this bad at campaigning. As such, though he's still got establishment support firmly in his corner, I think there's a larger (though still not particularly large) chance that someone like, say, Rubio might be able to squeak out a primary upset on him.
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Zelder posted:this slow, but thankfully limited, embrace of Trump by people on the left is the worst thing ever This absurd obsession with social wedge issues of a candidate with a longshot of becoming president at the expense of missing a chance to shift the financial overton window leftward is the worst thing ever. If you live in a state that allows you to vote in both primaries it is your leftist duty to vote for the least worst republican candidate; Trump isn't afraid to bring up the fact that Planned Parenthood does more than abortions, supports nationalized healthcare, and is willing to bring up financially leftist stances in a way that appeals to low-information republican voters. I dare you to think of three positive aspects of any other republican option that can match up to those.
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Piquai Souban posted:http://www.buzzfeed.com/andrewkaczynski/ben-carson-defends-repeats-big-bang-comments-you-shouldnt-de?utm_term=.wlZW5DzE5#.mi2kYBb4R Ben Carson is a perfect example of why STEM majors need to take more social studies classes in college.
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Mrit posted:You know, if you guys treated this more like an election and less like a religion, you'd be taken more seriously. "you guys"? that minuscule subset of people who like applying statistics? e: also hah taken more seriously? we're already running this bad forum and much of higher education thanks, it's the Lessigites that are getting shat on seiferguy posted:Ben Carson is a perfect example of why STEM majors need to take more social studies classes in college.  public health professional should be the only kind of health professional
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Mitt Romney posted:I still think Bush will be the nominee. You can't underestimate money, endorsements, almost the entire establishment support and the field organization that Bush has. Trump has none of that and his ceiling is 38% in head to head match-ups. Trumps ceiling in the head to head match-ups is 51%. quote:Q19 (Republicans) Who would you prefer as the So basically you're trying to use a poll to pronounce Trump unelectable, without apparently having read the poll, while also arguing that polls don't matter, because the poll you used to pronounce Trump unelectable by the same logic makes your chosen candidate even more unelectable but he's different.
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i don't think racism is really a social wedge issue, it's a pretty major thing that affects my life also I'm not going to trust anything trump says till I see a policy paper. This is the same dude that evolved towards pro life literally on a debate stage
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Mitt Romney posted:I still think Bush will be the nominee. You can't underestimate money, endorsements, almost the entire establishment support and the field organization that Bush has. Trump has none of that and his ceiling is 38% in head to head match-ups. His ceiling isn't currently 38% in head to head match-ups. He beats JEB with 51% in the poll you posted. However if you want to go with the polls don't matter route, you shouldn't be using Trump's numbers vs other candidates as a reason for why he can't get the endorsement.
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Positions on which the GOP field is further left than trump: Ethnic cleansing
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Hillary just came out against the Keystone Pipeline http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewi...campaign=buffer
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Spacebump posted:His ceiling isn't currently 38% in head to head match-ups. He beats JEB with 51% in the poll you posted. However if you want to go with the polls don't matter route, you shouldn't be using Trump's numbers vs other candidates as a reason for why he can't get the endorsement. "Polls only matter when they say what I want to hear, they don't matter when they say something I don't want to hear." He's basically a Bernie-like but for Bush at this point. He was saying the same things about Walker too, but, well... we know how that one turned out. GlyphGryph fucked around with this message at 21:43 on Sep 22, 2015 |
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Took her long enough but good on her
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Zelder posted:Took her long enough but good on her p much this. Sanders is making  a better candidate, which one of you sad sack center-right fragile whites is going to buy me a platinum account for my support of him?
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theblackw0lf posted:Hillary just came out against the Keystone Pipeline i'm pleasantly surprised by this
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GlyphGryph posted:"Polls only matter when they say what I want to hear, they don't matter when they say something I don't want to hear." Nice cheer-leading there buddy. That's not what I said, and I doubt I've ever said that I thought Walker would win explicitly. Trump has a ceiling and the serious GOP candidates don't is what it comes down to. Bush is the candidate with the most party and money support out of those candidates by far.
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Mrit posted:You know, if you guys treated this more like an election and less like a religion, you'd be taken more seriously.  Seriously, from "she's inevitable" to the incredible double-think required to navigate around her own self-contradictions it is rich to see any Hillary supporter accuse anybody else of a religious bent in their support.
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Mitt Romney posted:Trump has a ceiling and the serious GOP candidates don't is what it comes down to. Bush is the candidate with the most party and money support out of those candidates by far. Trump may have a ceiling, but by your own evidence that ceiling is, in fact, at least 51%. Where exactly do you think his ceiling is that it prevents him from achieving victory? Seriously, how is Trump getting half again as much support in a head to head against the candidate you think is going to win proof-positive that he has no chance? Your argument is garbage, just admit it and move on and stick to other metrics.
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stephenfry posted:p much this. Sanders is making what the gently caress are you talking about
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