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I was excited for them to get on the road and have road adventures as they get to the desert all the while things getting more grim and the car radio playing updates from the cities... But what do I know, I'm no professional. 
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Did they ever say it was Los Angeles, CA and not Los Angeles, TX?? Just throwing that out there....
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Sep 22, 2015 19:30
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a cop posted:Society crumbling. It went from a riot -> abandoned LA ridiculously fast. But they are still in la.
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Sep 22, 2015 19:39
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steinrokkan posted:The part in which LA became a ghost town. Yeah. And I get that the military is probably being dishonest and we know everyone out there isn't dead, but it still feels like a really bad "tell, don't show" moment. I liked the way the first three episodes felt like one long, crazy night. That said I actually thought the over the top rear end in a top hat army man was funny. I like the hammy parts of Walking Dead and this guy was the right level of dumb for me.
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Sep 22, 2015 19:40
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Did you see the part where they showed you what happened in the non refugee parts of la.
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Sep 22, 2015 19:44
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euphronius posted:Did you see the part where they showed you what happened in the non refugee parts of la. They showed the aftermath, not what happened. I wanted to see how society got to that point.
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Sep 22, 2015 19:47
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Can you not draw a reasonable inference from the information that was provided to you.
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Sep 22, 2015 19:49
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euphronius posted:Can you not draw a reasonable inference from the information that was provided to you. Everyone knows what happened, we're told after the fact. I wanted to see (see being the key word) it happen because it would have made for good action, horror, and/or drama. This is a really weird thing to be pedantic about.
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Sep 22, 2015 19:52
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Can you stop posting like this.
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Sep 22, 2015 19:53
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But there is still tension and drama about whether the army is good or bad. I guess it's the national guard. If they showed you explicitly what happened it would undercut the current dramatic tension which is facing the characters who are only now putting the pieces together for themselves. We the viewers also live in that suburban cul de sac. Basically Giving us the viewer more knowledge that the protagonists would not be a good choice imho. Also this is assuming it is not addressed later through flashback or the memories of a new character. (I know we have the knowledge that this is a real zombie apocalypse but that dramatic irony is not interfering with the current drama.) euphronius fucked around with this message at 19:59 on Sep 22, 2015 |
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Sep 22, 2015 19:56
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Can you not see how it might be frustrating that they claimed we would see how civilization collapses, set the show in a huge city, and then skipped over a large time period in which the city actually falls apart in favor of Woodbury 2.euphronius posted:But there is still tension and drama about whether the army is good or bad. I guess it's the national guard. If they showed you explicitly what happened it would undercut the current dramatic tension which is facing the characters who are only now putting the pieces together for themselves. We the viewers also live in that suburban cul de sac. Basically Giving us the viewer more knowledge that the protagonists would not be a good choice imho. No there really isn't tension and drama there. They are clearly drawing the military as bad guys with not a hint of the mixed feelings and worries soldiers in that situation would actually possess. Hiding information from the viewers in the Lost vein is a bad move - I suspect it's because they never really thought the scenario out and how things might go down. Enderzero fucked around with this message at 20:01 on Sep 22, 2015 |
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Sep 22, 2015 19:58
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They are showing you how society collapses from the point of view of a mixed suburban families. I think it's very effective and resonant. Also we should probably wait for the finale which usually has the grand cinematic set pieces I think you are wanting?
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Sep 22, 2015 20:01
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They aren't clearly drawing them as bad guys. I guess if you typical distrust the military to begin with I could see that. Also I have no idea what your talking about wrt "hiding" things from the viewer. This isn't a documentary or newscast.
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Sep 22, 2015 20:03
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euphronius posted:They are showing you how society collapses from the point of view of a mixed suburban families. I think it's very effective and resonant. That can be a fine story to tell. However, you don't need LA to make that show and the setting feels wasted otherwise. I think AMC went too big on selling the show and then didn't want to spend the budget to fill out the vision they were proclaiming. You may be right on about the finale but I get the sense AMC is as cheap as they can get away with.
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Sep 22, 2015 20:04
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euphronius posted:But there is still tension and drama about whether the army is good or bad. I guess it's the national guard. If they showed you explicitly what happened it would undercut the current dramatic tension which is facing the characters who are only now putting the pieces together for themselves. We the viewers also live in that suburban cul de sac. Basically Giving us the viewer more knowledge that the protagonists would not be a good choice imho. It's a valid choice that I'm disappointed in, because I'd rather see Travis and his family enduring a struggle in the city than sitting safe in the cul de sac. Wondering whether the rear end in a top hat army guy is really an rear end in a top hat or not isn't quite as exciting or frightening. I liked the riot stuff in the last two episodes, the chaos at the hospital, etc. You could also show the army with shades of gray doing both good and evil acts in the days leading up to this. That would be more interesting too.
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Sep 22, 2015 20:04
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Fair enough.
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Sep 22, 2015 20:05
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When civilization ends, it ends so fast that you wont be able to see it.
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Sep 22, 2015 20:07
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euphronius posted:Can you not draw a reasonable inference from the information that was provided to you. I could draw reasonable interference from the first episode of TWD about both the entire original show and this spin-off, better retroactively cancel everything.
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Sep 22, 2015 20:08
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I wondered how they were going to cheat us out of the fall. There was no way we'd get massive zombie war or city-destroying riots on a TV budget. I did not expect "society collapses off-camera, watch Monopoly instead," though.Surlaw posted:Pretty much nothing listed here was actually confusing if you watched the first. Which is essentially what I was saying, but I understand how that could be missed in the rush to post "watch better" before anyone else. Casually watching, you get a vague scene that can be read six different ways. But it was a boring scene. Who ultimately cares why an uninteresting character is killing time wandering around a house? There's nothing about these protagonists as compelling as the overarching story, but the storytelling is focused on them at the expense of the bigger picture.
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Sep 22, 2015 20:10
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It wasn't a vague scene. (It wasn't a good scene either. But people who don't like anything the show's doing shouldn't watch it.)
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Sep 22, 2015 20:14
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The show is def not a fps tactical shooter of an urban zombie riot that is for sure. I didn't see any marketing but if they said that's what it was going to be i guess I can see being somewhat upset. I assumed it would be like the WD and focus on diverse characters and relationships and religious, philosophical and political themes with some gross out gags.
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Sep 22, 2015 20:23
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euphronius posted:I assumed it would be like the WD and focus on diverse characters and relationships and religious, philosophical and political themes with some gross out gags. Then why aren't you annoyed at how they promised things they aren't delivering on?
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Sep 22, 2015 20:31
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JossiRossi posted:Then why aren't you annoyed at how they promised things they aren't delivering on? Hahahaha. I am ready for more gross zombie action that is true. I hope the hospital is a horror shop.
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Sep 22, 2015 20:32
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euphronius posted:The show is def not a fps tactical shooter of an urban zombie riot that is for sure. I didn't see any marketing but if they said that's what it was going to be i guess I can see being somewhat upset. I assumed it would be like the WD and focus on diverse characters and relationships and religious, philosophical and political themes with some gross out gags. I like those things. I think they could be better explored by showing our characters on the street dealing with the moral ambiguity between police/protesters/the embodiment of death during a major natural disaster than showing them maybe, maybe not trusting the army guy in a currently safe place. Or do both. Have Madison and the kids in the refugee camp and Travis and the others trapped in a city falling apart. Those parts in #2 and #3 I thought were solid. I don't want "tactical" anything, I want to watch society's collapse from the direct point of view of the ordinary dad character. Salazar's mistrust of the army and his history are both good and people seem to like him. It's a fine plot for his family. It's not a super interesting one for Travis's. A True Jar Jar Fan fucked around with this message at 20:39 on Sep 22, 2015 |
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Sep 22, 2015 20:34
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euphronius posted:I assumed it would focus on diverse characters and relationships and religious, philosophical and political themes with some gross out gags. And you are not disappointed because...
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Sep 22, 2015 20:35
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At the very least they could of had a scene of the family listening to a radio broadcast with the President addressing the nation. There are ways they could of shown the collapse with no budget. Maybe at the very least show the soldiers being exhausted and scared. Maybe have the people in the neighborhood having trouble sleeping because of the constant sound of gunshots, screaming and explosions in the distance.
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Sep 22, 2015 20:38
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Gildiss posted:When civilization ends, it ends so fast that you wont be able to see it. New thread title please.
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Sep 22, 2015 22:11
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Gildiss posted:When civilization ends, it ends so fast that you wont be able to see it. Seconding request for new thread title. This is clearly a Quiet Before The Storm/Budget Redistribution episode, but episodes 5 and 6 are going to have to really go all out to justify the show's existence beyond the cheapest of cash grabs.
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Sep 22, 2015 22:19
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I think we're actually going to have to watch Calculon do his taxes instead.
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Sep 22, 2015 22:42
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euphronius posted:They are showing you how society collapses from the point of view of a mixed suburban families. I think it's very effective and resonant. I think you may be trolling. Albeit doing it well.
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Gildiss posted:When civilization ends, it ends off-screen.
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Gildiss posted:When civilization ends, it ends off-screen.
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Power_of_the_glory posted:At the very least they could of had a scene of the family listening to a radio broadcast with the President addressing the nation. There are ways they could of shown the collapse with no budget. Maybe at the very least show the soldiers being exhausted and scared. Maybe have the people in the neighborhood having trouble sleeping because of the constant sound of gunshots, screaming and explosions in the distance. Would have been fun to have them take some Obama footage and edit it to look like he was talking about a horrible plague.
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Sep 22, 2015 23:20
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Hahahaha that is loving great.
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Sep 22, 2015 23:28
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I adore TWD but this show is very meh. I dig the setting but the pace and choices of characters to focuse on confuses me. I'm not really feeling empathy for anger mom and oblivious dad.
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Sep 22, 2015 23:45
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There is literally zero reason for this show to have no budget and the fact that it is still massively popular in spite of that means it won't ever get the big budget it needs. Solid play AMC.
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 Tomahawk posted:There is literally zero reason for this show to have no budget and the fact that it is still massively popular in spite of that means it won't ever get the big budget it needs. Solid play AMC. I believe these six episodes are filmed in Los Angeles and then next season it moves up to Vancouver. Maybe they'll finally have a budget up there. That also kills any hope of zombies in the desert.
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In TWD, Rick wakes up from a months long coma to find zombies all over the place. Since FTWD is supposed to be the start of the epidemic that means Rick must be in his coma right now, right?
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euphronius posted:Can you not draw a reasonable inference from the information that was provided to you. The whole point of this show is to show those parts. This whole show is nothing but inference because what we actually see is retarded Twilight level family drama bullshit.
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It'd be one thing if the characters were interesting or the dialogue was entertaining or the drama was compelling. But they're not. "Well why do you watch then", you might ask? Well, sunday is my laundry night, and there's nothing else on before The Strain. So gently caress you!!
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