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I'd like something that "feels" like a car, looks like a semi, and handles like Grave Digger. Oh, and I'll pay $50,000 for it if you call it a trim line that makes me feel good about myself. - The American car-buying public.
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Mange Mite posted:They don't cell the Amarok in America, the truck market. There's a massive global truck market, the US and Canada only represent the superficially similar yet distinct TRUCK market.
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Sep 25, 2015 02:36
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MikeyTsi posted:I'd like something that "feels" like a car, looks like a semi, and handles like Grave Digger. Oh, and I'll pay $50,000 for it if you call it a trim line that makes me feel good about myself. - The American car-buying public. The SUPER TEXAS COME AND TAKE IT Edition There you go manufacturers, I just made one of you another 10 billion dollars in truck sales
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Sep 25, 2015 03:52
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Can someone test a chipped 2500 series truck rolling coal vs a vw tdi? I'm just curious which is worse.
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Sep 25, 2015 03:55
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Wheeee posted:There's a massive global truck market, the US and Canada only represent the superficially similar yet distinct TRUCK market. Define "massive"
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Sep 25, 2015 04:05
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MikeyTsi posted:I'd like something that "feels" like a car, looks like a semi, and handles like Grave Digger. Oh, and I'll pay $50,000 for it if you call it a trim line that makes me feel good about myself. - The American car-buying public. You're making it sound like Grave Digger handling is a bad thing.
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Sep 25, 2015 04:45
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Like Toyota was bragging about selling 5 million Hiluxes worldwide in the past 10 years but that's still less than just sales of the F series in just the US for the same time period (~7.5 million units).
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Sep 25, 2015 04:54
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leica posted:You're making it sound like Grave Digger handling is a bad thing. yeah them things haul rear end and turn p good for a 10,000lb lump of
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Sep 25, 2015 04:55
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go3 posted:The SUPER TEXAS COME AND TAKE IT Edition SUPER CHIEF is a real truck, so this isn't that far off.
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Sep 25, 2015 05:01
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Truck talk reminds me, I saw my first Mercedes GLE Coupe today. Their BMW X6 competitor. I'm not sure if it's more or less appalling than the X6. I guess it's not as shocking because I'm desensitized to 4-door coupe hatchback trucks now. It's still ugly though.
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Sep 25, 2015 07:24
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go3 posted:Truck manufacturers are just trolling the poo poo out of people to see how ugly and how overpriced they can make them and still bilk gullible people out of money Not trucks, but my favourite example of that attitude is the new Bentley SUV. It has a hideously ugly and tasteless clock as an option. For 170k. The car itself costs about 230k. It is the most transparent "lol let's see how much rich people with no taste will pay" pricing ever and I love it.
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AlmightyPants posted:Truck talk reminds me, I saw my first Mercedes GLE Coupe today. Their BMW X6 competitor. I'm not sure if it's more or less appalling than the X6. I guess it's not as shocking because I'm desensitized to 4-door coupe hatchback trucks now. It's still ugly though. I don't understand this fastback shape at all. It's like a wagon/hatch how you don't get a separate trunk, but it seems like it would be useless from a practicality view. Something like the GLA/A class is understandable, a little jacked up hatchback. But that stuff? yeesh. Also I don't know why but I find the shape of the CLA intensely annoying. I was behind one on the drive home today and everything about the rear of that car is horrible. The weird window shape, the lights, everything. From the front it doesn't look bad but the back is horrific.
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Sep 25, 2015 08:11
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Zeppelin Insanity posted:Not trucks, but my favourite example of that attitude is the new Bentley SUV. It has a hideously ugly and tasteless clock as an option. For 170k. The car itself costs about 230k. It is the most transparent "lol let's see how much rich people with no taste will pay" pricing ever and I love it. The "base" Bentayga is 230K, and the fancy Breitlin clock is actually 235K. Yes, the optional fancy-pants clock is more expensive than the car itself. But for that money, you get a fully mechanical clock that will flip three times every 15 minutes to wind itself, and you can make it flip on command with a special button on the dash, ostensibly to "impress" your "friends". It is by far the most  thing ever.
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Sep 25, 2015 11:52
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RillAkBea posted:The gull wing doors are great, I had the pleasure of seeing a whole line-up of AZ-1s with the doors wide open earlier this year. The good thing about Japan disliking 'old' cars is that they often end up being shipped out for not much cash. I found a Nissan Stagea in really solid condition for a quite ridiculous $3k boasting a 240bhp from its 2.5l straight six. Oh and it was on a set of Advan Onis for extra JDM cred. Just wish I had the cash to get it over here! Also you need to get some photos of that garage please, they obviously make cash on the campers and then feed it into the other cars. A few friends and myself have a lovely car page on facebook and one of the dudes that follows it owns the Star Road tuning shop over the East side of Tokyo and he puts out these beauties...   Dream car stuff right there. Probably gonna settle for a kei though for now. 
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Sep 25, 2015 11:52
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DANGEROUS
On a regular basis I mostly just see stuff like Miata/MX-5/Roadsters, Copens, modern Zs, the occasional GT-R and more trashy Silvias than I would care to remember. I used to live up north though where it's Subaru and Evo's all day, every day.
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KozmoNaut posted:The "base" Bentayga is 230K, and the fancy Breitlin clock is actually 235K. Yes, the optional fancy-pants clock is more expensive than the car itself. Of course it would be Breitling. God what a beautiful car!
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Sep 25, 2015 12:02
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Linedance posted:Of course it would be Breitling. It's not just any Breitling, it's a Breitling Mulliner Tourbillon.
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Sep 25, 2015 12:04
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KozmoNaut posted:It's not just any Breitling, it's a Breitling Mulliner Tourbillon. I imagine the marketing executive who dreamed up that Bentley abomination, who probably fired every designer who couldn't replicate his hideous vision, looked at his Breitling adorned wrist and thought "you know what, if you put one of these ~perfect machines~ in my glorious creation, I would happily pay double for it".
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Sep 25, 2015 12:44
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88h88 posted:The good thing about Japan disliking 'old' cars is that they often end up being shipped out for not much cash. I found a Nissan Stagea in really solid condition for a quite ridiculous $3k boasting a 240bhp from its 2.5l straight six. Oh and it was on a set of Advan Onis for extra JDM cred. Just wish I had the cash to get it over here! I think they also make it really annoying to get them road certified and have inadvantageous tax structure for them, too. It's pretty much a sort of subsidy. Instead a lot of their used cars get sent to southeast asia and the like. Also the funny thing is a lot of Japanese still don't really think Japanese cars are that reliable. Having a large guaranteed domestic market means that in the past they used it to work out the kinks in new models before exporting them.
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Sep 25, 2015 13:15
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go3 posted:The SUPER TEXAS COME AND TAKE IT Edition I won't lie, that'd get me to check out a truck.
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Sep 25, 2015 13:39
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go3 posted:The SUPER TEXAS COME AND TAKE IT Edition It can be like one of those art cars they make with the fake gun mounts on the hood. Also armored louvers on the windows.
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Sep 25, 2015 13:41
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Is the BMW X3 cheating thing also true?
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CharlesM posted:Is the BMW X3 cheating thing also true? Apparently it only exceeds requirements in "rural uphill" testing phase.
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go3 posted:The SUPER TEXAS COME AND TAKE IT Edition All the manufacturers already have Texas specific or Texas inspired models for sale here. Ford King Ranch and XLT "Texas Edition" F-150's, Chevy 1500 Texas Edition, RAM 1500 Lone Star, Tundra Texas Edition and Tundra 1794 Edition. poo poo even Nissan sells a Texas Titan package here. I do like the thought of a super texas come and take it edition though. Only if the tailgate has a airbrushed scene of the Battle of the Alamo, and no less than 12 chrome plated Texas Star badges
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Posted this in the VW thread as well, but it's worth putting here too. http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/09/25/us-volkswagen-emissions-idUSKCN0RP14U20150925 Germany confirmed that 2.8 million domestic VWs had rigged emissions tests. So, it's likely the full 11 million number thrown out earlier could be hit. VW is truly and deeply hosed.
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Sep 25, 2015 18:26
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skipdogg posted:All the manufacturers already have Texas specific or Texas inspired models for sale here. Nothing would be better than a Texas Come And Take It edition pickup sitting at a light, when some old Datsun lowrider pickup with a Mexican flag draped in the back window rolls up, honks "La cucaracha", and pulls away - "We're Trying" embossed on the tailgate.
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It's about a cannon not land though
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bull3964 posted:http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/09/25/us-volkswagen-emissions-idUSKCN0RP14U20150925 quote:"VW needs to think big and bold," Warburton said, urging the new CEO to offer to buy back and scrap almost 500,000 diesel cars sold in the United States, which would cost about $6 billion, as well as suspend the 100 engineers most closely associated with the affected engines and software. Come on now, what are you supposed to do as an engineer when your job is on the line? That's a hosed-if-you-do, hosed-if-you-don't situation that you have no control over.
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Sep 25, 2015 18:51
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I'd be willing to bet that at least one of them could have become a whistle blower. No sympathy.
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Sep 25, 2015 19:09
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BraveUlysses posted:I'd be willing to bet that at least one of them could have become a whistle blower. No sympathy. What he said. It's been going on for years with more and more cars. Maybe you could argue that not that many engineers were involved with the ecu tweaking specifically for the emissions test but there's a lot of emissions engineers who must have seen the numbers as red flags.
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Sep 25, 2015 19:12
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Not only that, but various levels of QA and testing. It was a broad reaching decision that had to be drat near common knowledge at the company for the number of people that would have had to look away. I'm sure many people were told that it wasn't a big deal and not to worry about it. But it couldn't have been secret.
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Hikaki posted:Come on now, what are you supposed to do as an engineer when your job is on the line? That's a hosed-if-you-do, hosed-if-you-don't situation that you have no control over. Umm, I would think as an engineer, you would "practice integrity and fair dealing..." and "participate in none but honest enterprises". Maybe that doesn't apply in Germany? I dunno.
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jamie@vwvortex;88360576 posted:Additional September 25th Statement: Looks like they're going to try and lay it all on the engineers? Because naturally no one in management would have had anything to do with this. 
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fknlo posted:Looks like they're going to try and lay it all on the engineers? Because naturally no one in management would have had anything to do with this. I would love if "German engineering" shifted from just meaning efficient and reliable to just being a colloquialism for cheating or sneaky dealings. Alright class, when I say go you can flip over your tests and begin using a number two pencil, and eyes forward. I don't want to see any "German engineering"
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I guess I'll say that I have sympathy for an engineer that had to choose between ethics and livelihood. I don't think any engineer at that level would have the same motivation to do shady poo poo that an exec would. Maybe some of the senior or lead guys with stock options, but most are just trying to earn their salary. I'll concede to this though: in the end, they made their choice and now they have to deal with the consequences. But I'm not going to pretend that everyone involved here was a mustache-twirling villain. BraveUlysses posted:I'd be willing to bet that at least one of them could have become a whistle blower. No sympathy. With how the US treats whistleblowers, I'm not surprised that people don't do it. Maybe Germany is different.
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It's one of the many reasons I'm extremely thankful to be a unionized engineer. You're not going to get to fire me for speaking out when someone asks me to do something illegal or tries to compromise the quality of our airplanes.
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Things are about to get spicy in Europe!quote:But the scandal keeps growing. German transport minister Alexander Dobrindt said on Thursday Volkswagen had also cheated tests in Europe, where its sales are much higher than in the United States. On Friday Dobrindt put the number of affected vehicles in Germany at 2.8 million. http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/09/25/us-volkswagen-emissions-idUSKCN0RP14U20150925
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BraveUlysses posted:It's one of the many reasons I'm extremely thankful to be a unionized engineer. You're not going to get to fire me for speaking out when someone asks me to do something illegal or tries to compromise the quality of our airplanes. Boeing, I take it?
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Lightbulb Out posted:Boeing, I take it? Yup, just about 9 years here mostly working on the 787.
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Bentley is going to sell a squillion Belugas, aren't they?
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E: ^^^^ Well, they're not diesels, so they're safe on that front  And yeah, they'll sell like the proverbial high-temperature baked goods. With or without the optional $235K Breitling clock.fknlo posted:Looks like they're going to try and lay it all on the engineers? Because naturally no one in management would have had anything to do with this. That is why you make sure to get everything in writing/email and back it up securely, if anything even remotely suspicious is asked of you. If the higher-ups can just say "well, he did it of his own volition, it was absolutely not a direct order from management" and you have no proof to the contrary, you are hosed. In most European countries, your union will do everything they can to help, but with no proof, you'll probably take the fall anyway. KozmoNaut fucked around with this message at 21:39 on Sep 25, 2015 |
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