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Suspicious Cook posted:"Hannibal Venus" The one thing not to have a generic description for a name in this game and it's a porn site texture for a monitor in one room of one level. Oh good, I was hoping someone else had noticed this. So I'm going to let everyone else talk about the elephant in the room, and instead point out that plenty of large cities actually do have an underground steam pipe system. I know Detroit has one still running, and Google tells me that New York has one too. They're used to pump steam out to buildings for heating purposes, in addition to various industrial uses I don't know enough to talk about. Chicago, as far as I know, does not have one of these systems, which shows how much effort they put into researching this game.
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dijon du jour posted:I'd like to congratulate WATCH-DOGS on rising above my expectations by not making the human trafficking collectibles literal, actual crates of women. Yeah, thank god for that. I think the closest a game got to collection women as collectibles is just crates of sex toys in Saints Row 3. I may be wrong and there're worse examples that I don't know about!
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Sep 24, 2015 20:06
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Saint's Row 3 has a mission where you look for live girl containers hidden among sex toy containers. I just finished SR3, and SR2 was written so much better it's amazing.
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Sep 24, 2015 20:14
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SelenicMartian posted:Saint's Row 3 has a mission where you look for live girl containers hidden among sex toy containers. And there's a choice at the end, deliver sex slaves to the people who were bringing them in in the first place orrrrrr to another pimp who's in your group. Like I had fun with the game but yeesh did that stand out in the otherwise still whacky bullshit setting.
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Sep 24, 2015 20:21
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Yardbomb posted:And there's a choice at the end, deliver sex slaves to the people who were bringing them in in the first place orrrrrr to another pimp who's in your group. Like I had fun with the game but yeesh did that stand out in the otherwise still whacky bullshit setting. Pretty much anything Zimos touched was a low point in that game.
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Sep 24, 2015 20:23
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Jesus christ, when you head shot that dude at 22:06, it sounds like you're just stomping on big juicy tomato. I was going to pull that clip out and do something dumb with it but you were talking over it.
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Sep 24, 2015 20:49
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Discendo Vox posted:That's not correct- the game just doesn't distinguish between lethal and nonlethal- the same cutscene plays. Interesting. I can no longer find the video in which I thought I saw this very thing happen, so I will accept that your answer is correct.
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Sep 24, 2015 21:15
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Jacks has no father because he is really a clone of Aiden! It all makes sense- no wait what about his niece then?
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Sep 24, 2015 22:28
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Jalathas posted:Oh good, I was hoping someone else had noticed this. To expand on this, larger cities like New York also put the steam pipes right under the middle of the road for a non-obvious reason - the heat of the steam heats up the road and prevents them from icing over as badly in winter. Chicago could probably benefit from such a system and I could see it being put in in the future. But it isn't in by the far flung future of 2013, that's for sure. A project like that takes a decade of tearing up roads to put in.
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Sep 24, 2015 22:30
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Toma posted:The whole sex slave auction seems like an afterthought to the game. Watch Dogs man seems to have no reaction to the whole thing, only showing concern for Poppy. What shocks him is showing his nephewson that he has been a killer for the whole game. I dunno, one of the trailers leading up to Watch_Dogs was all about Aiden trailing a guy to a fetish club/secret sex slave auction then storming into the room, shooting some dudes, hacking the sprinkler system, then cornering the guy he was trailing before kneecapping him and leaving him for the police. I have a feeling that during the game's development there was a whiteboard with "SEX SLAVE AUCTION???" circled several times for emphasis. They knew they were going to wedge it in there somewhere even if they had to build a scaffold of nonsensical bullshit plot points and meandering missions around it.
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Sep 24, 2015 22:37
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It's kind of hard to empathize with the victims when you get a pair of boobs in your face everytime they get any screentime.
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Sep 24, 2015 22:43
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Jalathas posted:So I'm going to let everyone else talk about the elephant in the room, and instead point out that plenty of large cities actually do have an underground steam pipe system. I know Detroit has one still running, and Google tells me that New York has one too. They're used to pump steam out to buildings for heating purposes, in addition to various industrial uses I don't know enough to talk about. Chicago, as far as I know, does not have one of these systems, which shows how much effort they put into researching this game. Once again, something that looks like it would make sense for a New York City setting but doesn't mesh at all with Chicago. Just like the multitude of islands and Manhattan newsstands.
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Sep 24, 2015 22:55
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Onmi posted:
It seemed like Poppy was there largely to just spell out that Quinn was onto Aiden. In case him telling the player directly wasnt enough.
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Sep 24, 2015 23:31
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I like that Quinn actually gives Aiden useful advice. Don't be manipulated by your emotions, Aiden. You shouldn't back down, but you're... well, you're basically a monster.
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Sep 24, 2015 23:54
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RareAcumen posted:Yeah, thank god for that. In Witcher 1 you can collect cards for every lady Geralt sleeps with. It's always consensual, though, so it's not nearly as tasteless and juvenile as this.
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Sep 25, 2015 00:06
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Onmi posted:I'm shocked Quinn didn't carve out Aiden's throat by the way "Oh I realize you're someone infiltrating my organization, you're right there, I got my stab cane but... no." And yeah, that whole scene was weird. Quinn knows Aiden's not Crispin (somehow to do with accents, hey we actually heard Crispin speak during the bit where we killed him didn't we? And he didn't have an accent there that I noticed) and yet he gives some vague pep talk and then saunters off instead of, I dunno, having a group of thugs "escort" Aiden somewhere where he can be disposed of discreetly (and giving the player a chance to make a daring escape using hacker magic and violence). "Disjointed" doesn't even begin to describe this game's scriptwriting.
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Sep 25, 2015 00:25
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You guys are over-thinking this. Quinn suspects something is up but he is definitely not 100% certain that Aiden murdered what's-his-face and has stolen his identity. It's just a case of dramatic irony you see in all kinds of spy/undercover cop type stories.
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Sep 25, 2015 01:25
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Wait just one goddamn minute. We're here to meet Quinn?? WE'VE MET HIM BEFORE! FACE TO FACE! ON THAT CAR JOB! Did we forget??? Did the game forget??? EDIT: okay, you noticed that, and he was wearing a mask, but still. If anything, wouldn't THAT be how he knows something's wrong? And couldn't he then let Aiden have a chance to escape because of that previous incident wherein he acted with discretion and salvaged a bad job? Aiden, why don't you wait until you're out to scramble the signal so they don't notice one of their signals has gone bonkers? Why is there so much wrong with this crap?? Midnight Voyager fucked around with this message at 02:40 on Sep 25, 2015 |
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Sep 25, 2015 02:26
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Midnight Voyager posted:Wait just one goddamn minute.
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Sep 25, 2015 02:38
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Midnight Voyager posted:Wait just one goddamn minute. We were trying to get close to Iraq.
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Sep 25, 2015 02:41
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So...Quinn is involved in literal slavery and I still think he's a better person than Aiden. What the hell, game.
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Sep 25, 2015 02:43
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How did Jacks get inside this... secured mob area? behind a door locked by CtOS? Behind all these angry men with guns who are just patrolling? I feel like I'm losing my mind just trying to watch this drat thing.
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Sep 25, 2015 02:55
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Midnight Voyager posted:How did Jacks get inside this... secured mob area? behind a door locked by CtOS? Behind all these angry men with guns who are just patrolling? Obviously Jacks shot a man in the gut with a shotgun and blew his face off before he fell.
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Sep 25, 2015 03:45
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Midnight Voyager posted:How did Jacks get inside this... secured mob area? behind a door locked by CtOS? Behind all these angry men with guns who are just patrolling? Obviously he found one of Uncle Aiden's phones just lying around the house. Got these funny little apps that let you manipulate things just by pointing it at them.
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Sep 25, 2015 03:58
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I don't know about anybody else but I feel really bad for the two Viceroys who were guarding the basement. Iraq told them they would be working at a very important job for Lucky Quinn so they better go buy sharp new suits to represent the set, and then when they showed up at the spot they had to go stand for hours in twelve inches of dirty water. I kind of imagined that those two guys were the ones who told Iraq that they didn't feel comfortable being part of a literal slave auction, and going to the basement was like their punishment duty. And then Aiden knocked them unconscious and left them to drown. Also, I had a question: when you scan the women, do they appear in the same places every time? If that's the case, it's worth pointing out that the very first woman Chip scanned was a mentally disabled rape slave. This game is pretty edgy, guys.
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Sep 25, 2015 04:56
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You know what the difference is between this game and the promotional trailer that got everyone hype? In the promotional trailer, Aiden uses CTOS to identify the guy running slave auctions (some guy with a beard) and loving assaults that place, even turns on the sprinklers to stun everyone in there. He shoots the guy running the slave auction in the leg and phones the cops to pick him up surrounded by evidence of his evil empire while he also broadcasts the guy's dirty laundry to the public, even putting it on big-screen TVs outside. The screens briefly flicker to show the words "I'm watching YOU" as Aiden disappears into the crowd. Here? Here Aiden does the most half-assed infiltration I've ever seen and just lets the cops do all the work for him and lets Skeletor -- I mean, Lucky Quinn -- walk. C'mon! And I'm pretty sure by now we've established that the cops are just robots that attack whoever CTOS tells them to attack. Keeshhound posted:Pretty much anything Zimos touched was a low point in that game. Zimos and anything related to him was the loving worst in Saint's Row 3, I'm glad he got dumped in 4. Speedball fucked around with this message at 05:07 on Sep 25, 2015 |
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Why did CToS not know the last names of the girls when by all means the system should still know who they are Why did CToS know the first name of the girl who had no birth record How did CToS not alert the police considering each girl you scanned displayed information pertaining to them being a sex slave Have I completely misunderstood the core concept of the story? IS THERE a core concept to the story?
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Sep 25, 2015 05:32
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Danaru posted:Have I completely misunderstood the core concept of the story? IS THERE a core concept to the story? hahahahhahahahha good one
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Sep 25, 2015 06:04
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Danaru posted:How did CToS not alert the police considering each girl you scanned displayed information pertaining to them being a sex slave I can't answer the first two, but I think the idea is that ctOS doesn't report crimes, it just allows for surveillance. More like a fingerprint database or call logs than an AI that's watching you and reporting on your actions. So all that "suspected gang member" stuff means that the police records show no hard evidence that he's in a gang, but his activity suggests it. Aiden just has an app that displays "known info" about everyone with no prompting. Now, given the level of surveillance in the city and the perfect identification of literally everyone except Aiden, there's no reason they COULDN'T program it to report crimes in progress and constantly report on known/suspected criminals. Especially since that's a feature that Aiden himself apparently has, given the dumb crime prediction sidequests. But I don't think they've actually done so because that would be a relatively reasonable thing to do, and they were too busy building a wifi-connected steam tunnel system and spying on people's mediocre sex lives.
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Sep 25, 2015 06:05
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Maybe the whole point of this game is to criticize Chicago after it slighted Ubisoft at some point in the past. The random plot threads were chosen to best represent Chicago in a negative light.
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Danaru posted:Why did CToS not know the last names of the girls when by all means the system should still know who they are There is one core concept and that is that Aiden's phone is a non-stop deus ex machina. It uses a "profiler" app to process information, so instead of CTOS actually having this specific info on file, it can just be explained away as the phone software making the connection based on whatever it snatches from the ether. Ubisoft hopes you won't think too much about this and just keep on hackin'.
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Sep 25, 2015 06:17
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I mean it's obvious there's corruption and I'm sure Quinn's business is protected from anyone acting on the CtOS data on it, that much I can buy. Though it makes Aiden's 'I KNOW I WILL CALL THE POLICE WHO OBVIOUSLY HAVE NONE OF THIS INFORMATION!'  plan even stupider, since the only way people aren't getting caught is if someone holding the data is already protecting them (and don't forget the cop there to accept his yearly bribe)
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Night10194 posted:Though it makes Aiden's 'I KNOW I WILL CALL THE POLICE WHO OBVIOUSLY HAVE NONE OF THIS INFORMATION!' Yeah, but if you make noise it gets harder to quash. A call to 911 gets logged and it's unlikely all the receptionists are in on it. Dispatch sends a car before someone higher up can find a way to quietly shut it down. Some news-hungry reporter with a police scanner comes along, and then you've (hopefully) got too big a mess to just disappear. Even if Quinn skates and they have a cover story, the auction gets closed.
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A while ago, I remember hearing a report on human trafficking on NPR, during my drive to work one day. It was handled very well, having viewpoints from people who've been actively working to try to stop it and what they've encountered and experienced through their efforts. It was informative, but beyond gut wrenching, hearing their stories, and though they talked about times they've actually been able to return victims to their families, the entire situation is heartbreaking beyond any words that I could manage to put together. Whatever piece of garbage at Ubisoft that came up with the brilliant idea for this scenario would probably like to remind us that this is just a video game and nothing real, utterly tone-deaf to the fact that they've made a spectacle of something that living people, today, have experienced and been ruined by -- being ruined by -- in a graphic, starkly-depicted manner that's meant to titillate the audience. It's a sneering, lurid depiction combining misery and sex appeal that you generally wouldn't see in movies outside of low-budget horror-exploitation flicks. But no, this is what makes it into triple-A, marquee, skyscraper budget, top-of-the-charts video games. Ironically, I can't help but think that their target audience is the same sort of greasy adolescent who'd dub themselves something faux-edgy like "Bong Water" and get their rocks off to any presentation of polygonal titties. The pre-programmed invasions are ostensibly intended to resemble real ones, so these are a demonstration of precisely what Ubisoft thinks their audience would recognize. Even if that's reading into it a bit much, when something that would otherwise be a throwaway joke is viewed together with their wretched sex-slave auction episode, it puts it all in wonderful context and fabulously illustrates just what Ubisoft thinks of their players. And so, I say this: if you are ever asked to show someone what WATCH_DOGS is all about, show them this video. It is perfect. The best update by far, and I wouldn't hold it against Chip and Ironicus if no further chapters manage to depict this grotesque little game in it's rancid glory quite as much as this one. Not that I won't watch them, because it is a joy to see it being ripped to shreds both mechanically and narratively. gently caress Ubisoft. I'm going to go catch up on Voidburger's Silent Hill 2 LP to chill myself out. 
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EvanSchenck posted:Also, I had a question: when you scan the women, do they appear in the same places every time? If that's the case, it's worth pointing out that the very first woman Chip scanned was a mentally disabled rape slave. If you scan the women in their underwear sorting drugs in your camera tour through Iraq's building, they have the same ID tags, suggesting Iraq is at the auction to acquire workers who have nowhere else that they can possibly go. There's probably some glimmer of a previous plot contained there. The slaves at the auction are literally non-people, as far as ctOS is concerned, as scanning most if not all of them will return a first name and a serial number rather than a surname. That in turn suggests another dark side to ctOS, and is likely Iraq's other role in the venture; a system with that level of access can be used to create "unpersons" as readily as it can be used for intelligence gathering. Of course, it's in Watch_Dogs, so this is the last you ever hear about it, particularly since no one in their right mind will do the Human Collector missions.
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Speedball posted:Zimos and anything related to him was the loving worst in Saint's Row 3, I'm glad he got dumped in 4. i dunno there was that one mission with the rickshaw chase and the rickshaws exploded when you shot them and that was pretty good
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Jalathas posted:I can't answer the first two, but I think the idea is that ctOS doesn't report crimes, it just allows for surveillance. More like a fingerprint database or call logs than an AI that's watching you and reporting on your actions. So all that "suspected gang member" stuff means that the police records show no hard evidence that he's in a gang, but his activity suggests it. Aiden just has an app that displays "known info" about everyone with no prompting. This again goes back to the pre-release trailers but in one of them there's this woman narrating over footage of Aiden being Aiden, I gather she's supposed to be someone higher up in Blume, and she mentions that the police profiler system hasn't actually been moved out of testing yet, that Aiden has access to it while the city's police don't, which means he's the only person who has the magic app that shows everyone's name, age, income, hobbies, whether they're mentally disabled sex-slaves, etc. Even if you take something that appeared in a pre-release trailer as gospel, it still doesn't explain how ctOS is somehow smart enough to give a kidnapped slave's new alphanumeric designation instead of their actual name or whatever. (It's because this game is bad.)
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Kai Tave posted:This again goes back to the pre-release trailers but in one of them there's this woman narrating over footage of Aiden being Aiden, I gather she's supposed to be someone higher up in Blume, and she mentions that the police profiler system hasn't actually been moved out of testing yet, that Aiden has access to it while the city's police don't, which means he's the only person who has the magic app that shows everyone's name, age, income, hobbies, whether they're mentally disabled sex-slaves, etc. So on top of all that Aiden is beating the poo poo out of/killing people based on a beta?
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So, I think the first sign I've seen that Blums/ctOS is evil came up in that video, there were cameras in the sex slave testing rooms (why is this a thing I can write in relation to this game?) that were connected to ctOS, IIRC, implying that Blume/the police/whoever know about the auction but aren't doing anything about it.
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For being an all-seeing all-knowning super surveillance system CTOS sure is lovely at seeing anything at all unless Aiden's using it, like sex slave auctions, abductions, or children wandering into Mafia territory.
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