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Zarin posted:How many people are we talking that want to burn everything down to maintain a veneer of ideological purity? I'm guessing most of the red side of the aisle actually understands the scope of this n,onsense, and only a vocal minority is pushing this ... right? Well there are also presumably those who understand the scope of the nonsense but know that their constituents don't and will go on until the last minute hoping enough other republicans will eat the potential tea party challenge first that they won't have too.
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Yeah, this has been brewing over the last year since the midterms. Apparently at some big donor event in 2014, GOP reps actually said something like, "if you stick with us and we can give Boehner a functional majority to work with- even if it's with the Dems- then those crazies you hate so much will be essentially irrelevant." Clearly that strategy has worked out great. Kochs and their crusade against the Red menace aside, a lot of the money that drives the GOP doesn't care for conservatism beyond the "keep things at the status quo or at least make them a bit better for me" parts. The last thing they want is for the party to actually go on a rightist crusade or start a legit culture war over reproductive rights/gays/whatever, to say nothing of holding the economy hostage over it. And a non-negligible fraction of these people wouldn't have an issue with backing a certain front-running Democrat with a center-Right approach to the economy if push came to shove. trilobite terror fucked around with this message at 09:52 on Sep 26, 2015 |
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Electric Bugaloo posted:You'd get a dramatic increase of grassroots opposition and campaigning from women's health groups and on basically every single American campus except maybe Liberty or Bob Jones. That demographic still swings overwhelmingly Democratic so it's more an issue of getting people to vote than anything else, and getting people riled up about that would. Hillary's already been doing a number on that, referring to Planned Parenthood in terms of access to birth control rather than abortion. Abortion may be controversial at best, but women's access to birth control is less contentious, particularly among women voters.
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Sep 26, 2015 11:59
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The party of fossils and irresponsibility.
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Any one thought about how the new guy will attack McConnell more then the Democrats? If they could get him out, its full speed to crazy town woop woop.
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Peztopiary posted:That's explicitly the gamble contractors make though? Much more money up-front in return for less job security. Death to private enterprise doing public works imo. Sure I'd rather be a full time fed but the kind of work I do is only done by contractors, and I think that's pretty consistent among multiple agencies. It's hardly our fault that the house is full of dipshits, though. I can handle my job security when it comes to a re-bid, but not when it comes to the redneck caucus playing in their own poop.
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Electric Bugaloo posted:And a non-negligible fraction of these people wouldn't have an issue with backing a certain front-running Democrat with a center-Right approach to the economy if push came to shove. No one is going to back Jim Webb.
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Fojar38 posted:People legitimately gave a poo poo about Obamacare. This is what people said about republicans anti-abortion positions for the longest time. But they've actually made true on their promises: in many states abortions are very hard to get if you are poor. Peztopiary posted:That's explicitly the gamble contractors make though? Much more money up-front in return for less job security. Death to private enterprise doing public works imo. Contractors don't get more money up front- remember they have to pay for their own healthcare and the 7.5% of taxes that is usually paid by the employer. TROIKA CURES GREEK fucked around with this message at 15:11 on Sep 26, 2015 |
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Not a Children posted:I'm giggling at the idea of a bunch of wealthy dudes just lurking behind the podium, hands up and fingers flexing, waiting for the chance to be the first to snatch that drinking glass as the pope steps down Gaze upon the following relics: Water glass of the Pope as an adult, Water glass of the Pope as a young boy
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Kalman posted:No one is going to back Jim Webb. don't get your conservadems mixed up it's social issues Jim Webb is right-wing on social issues like segregation and witch-burning
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Digging the thread title, but I'd add that this might be the only time the Pope convincing somebody to pull out is good for birth control.
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Reading the new thread title, I just realized the Freudian implications of "Right to Rise." PAC name there Jeb!I wonder if his platform includes funding increases for both women and men's sexual heathcare. And pharmacare 
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TROIKA CURES GREEK posted:This is what people said about republicans anti-abortion positions for the longest time. But they've actually made true on their promises: in many states abortions are very hard to get if you are poor. Most government contractors are w-2 employees of a contacting company like Northrup Grumman, Lockheed, GD, etc, or subbed to those guys through a another staffing agency. They aren't 1099 independent contractors.
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TROIKA CURES GREEK posted:Contractors don't get more money up front- remember they have to pay for their own healthcare and the 7.5% of taxes that is usually paid by the employer. This isn't really true for most govt contractors. Typically they are just normal salaried employees working for a company that bids on government contracts, provides healthcare and covers the employer share of payroll tax, etc. There are people who 1099 for the government, but in experience "contractors" generally means "works for a contracting firm", not "independent self-employed contractor". efb; also meant 1099. Clearly I don't have to do it.
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Does Boehner's retirement make Francis the modern Pope Gregory the Great? That is, the Pope met with some rear end in a top hat and somehow made him go away?
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It's weird to say given his position, but I never particularly disliked Boehner. He was conservative, sure, but not populist conservative. Frankly, populists of any stripe are the worst.
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Electric Bugaloo posted:
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NippleFloss posted:Most government contractors are w-2 employees of a contacting company like Northrup Grumman, Lockheed, GD, etc, or subbed to those guys through a another staffing agency. They aren't 1099 independent contractors. Correct. And what happened last shutdown is we were all furloughed because if we're not billing the fed hourly then the company is just losing by paying us. My company isn't into charity any more than any of the other ones.
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Has there been any indication as to who is going to rise up after Boehner wilts away?
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Grouchio posted:...We're going to get another shutdown and possible debt default, aren't we? Honestly if I were a betting man I would wager on it going down something like this. Boehner avoids a government shutdown as his final act by passing a clean CR that lasts until December 12th. The Tea Party treats this as a massive act of Dolchstoss and drives the party substantially further to the right. When December 12th rolls around the Government goes into shutdown with the debt ceiling ticking in the background, just like last time. In order to avoid a default and establish trust in the American system Obama is forced to defund PP. The government however remains shutdown for several months while the Tea Party tries to use the shutdown as leverage to re-fight the entire culture war
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How would a $T coin be all that different than the silver certificate as far as issuance justification?
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Prester John posted:Honestly if I were a betting man I would wager on it going down something like this. Boehner avoids a government shutdown as his final act by passing a clean CR that lasts until December 12th. The Tea Party treats this as a massive act of Dolchstoss and drives the party substantially further to the right. When December 12th rolls around the Government goes into shutdown with the debt ceiling ticking in the background, just like last time. In order to avoid a default and establish trust in the American system Obama is forced to defund PP. The government however remains shutdown for several months while the Tea Party tries to use the shutdown as leverage to re-fight the entire culture war If you were a betting man you'd be a really lovely gambler.
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Junkyard Poodle posted:How would a $T coin be all that different than the silver certificate as far as issuance justification? There are legal limits on just how big of a denomination the treasury can make except on platinum coins.
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Ron Elving for NPR posted:A Modest Proposal: Donald Trump For Speaker This is a joke right? Tell me this is a joke. The title starting with A Modest Proposal isn't enough to dissuade myself with the idea that at a minimum people will take it very seriously given that it has been published by NPR.
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Raskolnikov38 posted:There are legal limits on just how big of a denomination the treasury can make except on platinum coins. I'm pretty sure there's another metal that's also unlimited, but platinum is the one they have large stocks of.
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Three Olives posted:This is a joke right? Tell me this is a joke. The title starting with A Modest Proposal isn't enough to dissuade myself with the idea that at a minimum people will take it very seriously given that it has been published by NPR. If they were going for satire, they probably shouldn't have started with "No, seriously, bear with us". But if they weren't going for satire, they really should have chosen another title. Either way, what I'm getting out of this is that putting Trump in a position of power is approximately as good an idea as eating babies.
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The accelerationist in me loves the idea. Destroy the system and rebuild from the ashes!!! And what better way to do the former than bring someone like Trump to power, especially in this time of turmoil?? I'm kidding
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enraged_camel posted:The accelerationist in me loves the idea. Destroy the system and rebuild from the ashes!!! And what better way to do the former than bring someone like Trump to power, especially in this time of turmoil?? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNUfDYGUueE
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Best part of that video? The Canadian border wall. Onion clairvoyance strikes again.
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In that future, it's not a wall to keep people out. But a wall to keep people in. Dun DUN DUNNNNN
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Of course it's a wall to keep people out. Do you honestly think Canadians want Americans flooding into the country when President Trump begins plundering entire states for their resources to build a gigantic tower/statue of himself that reaches into orbit?
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It's true, we don't.
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Boehner's tell all book will be great
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nachos posted:Boehner's tell all book will be great Pretty sure he already published the gist of it. http://www.theonion.com/multiblogpost/the-republican-party-cannot-stand-by-and-let-obama-34074
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It'll be walls on top of walls. The yoogest most luxurious gold plated Trump brand wall on one side to keep Americans in, paid for by Canada of course, and then the Canadian wall to keep Americans out. Cold-Wall-War arms race will lead to fantastic new breakthroughs in wall related technology, revitalizing the manufacturing sector.
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William Bear posted:Does Boehner's retirement make Francis the modern Pope Gregory the Great? Actually, it was Pope St. Leo the Great that convinced Attilla's horde to not attack Rome in 452 CE.  Also, don't compare a military genius like Attilla to Boehner. It's insulting to the former's memory.
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Lote posted:In that future, it's not a wall to keep people out. But a wall to keep people in. Dun DUN DUNNNNN America: Love it.
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God bless America  quote:Vitter and his wife, Wendy, arrived to find a man wearing a diaper outside the entrance to the Secretary of State's office in Baton Rouge. The diaper is a reference to Vitter's prostitution scandal. Rumors have swirled -- though they have not been confirmed -- that the Senator apparently asked a prostitute to incorporate diapers into her services.
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