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divabot: Jun 17, 2015; A polite little mouse!

Scott: "I don�t dare judge anyone in these positions." Including the people convicted at Nuremberg after "just following orders." Yeah, that's great.

# ? Sep 27, 2015 11:31

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# ? May 15, 2024 01:40

Cingulate: Oct 23, 2012; by Fluffdaddy

divabot posted:

Scott: "I don�t dare judge anyone in these positions." Including the people convicted at Nuremberg after "just following orders." Yeah, that's great.

An entirely sensible position IMO. I think it's near unimaginable for any of us to be in such a situation, and simply reserving judgement is a position hardly to be condemned, unless applied especially selectively.
On the other hand, reports wikipedia, the "Petrov single-handedly averted a nuclear WW3" thing is anti-Russian propaganda, at least according to Russian sources: "Under no circumstances a decision to use nuclear weapons could be made or even considered in the Soviet Union (Russia) or in the United States on the basis of data from a single source or a system. For this to happen, a confirmation is necessary from several systems: ground-based radars, early warning satellites, intelligence reports, etc."

# ? Sep 27, 2015 13:21

BornAPoorBlkChild: Sep 24, 2012

my younger brother's community college criminology professor's midterm assignment posted:

In her former leadership role as speaker of the US House of Representatives, California's (sigh) Nancy Pelosi suggested that hundreds of millions of dollars in the President's Stimulus Package might be effectively channeled to fund sex education and birth control. Under some pressure, she later relented. But now, let us (good student-thinkers) help her out. Using what you have discovered (read) about "eugenics" (with the Jukes and the Kallikaks), could this approach not aid in lessening the load on our own collective tax-paying shoulders? Let us say that you were allowed to play the role of God-the-Insensitive-Economist or God-the-Sensitive-Sociologist (this is part were I told my younger brother this guy could go gently caress himself).

How might you justify the use or non-use of "eugenics" in curbing crime, disease, poverty, homelessness, a declining economy...? Dammit we owe China trillions. Could we not simply snip, dice, tuck, and cut certain reproductive systems of recently incarcerated offenders or mental defectives to lessen society's evil perpetrators who have just been recently incarcerated (read the newspapers... they ain't that hard to find if you do a little research). And don't forget the domicidal challenged urban outdoorsmen (homeless). Your task is not that simple or easy.

Justify eugenics as an enabling tool for human progress, or vilify it as a class-based instrument of discrimination. Do it (wait for it...) rationally, and with obvious critical thinking. Logic helps but is not necessary. If ever you had to do research and think on your own, this is it... in 2-3 pages, no more. Just remember, if your career plans have you earning more than $31,000 per annum, you assume fiscal responsibility for one more fellow American, regardless of his or her status in life.
It's a "heart vs head" thing.

Argue Eugenics (for or against)

I told him to get his A in the class and get the gently caress out of there

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# ? Sep 27, 2015 16:24

Cingulate: Oct 23, 2012; by Fluffdaddy

Race Realists posted:

Dammit we owe China trillions

What's with the amateurish, colloquial style? I can admittedly not even imagine an actual professor writing like this.

# ? Sep 27, 2015 16:30

Night10194: Feb 13, 2012; We'll start,
like many good things,
with a bear.

Cingulate posted:

What's with the amateurish, colloquial style? I can admittedly not even imagine an actual professor writing like this.

I've seen it before. I had an anti-vaxer professor who wrote a lot like that in a class on the anthropology of science and technology. Also another in a course on the US up to 1865. Some professors think a 'jokey' and casual style will endear them to students.

# ? Sep 27, 2015 16:32

BornAPoorBlkChild: Sep 24, 2012

I'd ask my brother if he's ever heard of Freep, but nah

like, the dude is literally hiding in plain sight

# ? Sep 27, 2015 16:34

I AM GRANDO: Aug 20, 2006

Who is this guy? Kind of curious about publications now, from a "criminologist" who believes in biology as a root cause of crime.

# ? Sep 27, 2015 16:42

coyo7e: Aug 23, 2007; by zen death robot

Race Realists posted:

I told him to get his A in the class and get the gently caress out of there

You are aware that there are different types of eugenics philosophy, right? Positive, negative, active, and passive. It's not that hard to form an argument for some of the less-bad kinds, although the "remember if you make X money then you are responsible for another person" thing is weird as gently caress.

# ? Sep 27, 2015 17:05

Cingulate: Oct 23, 2012; by Fluffdaddy

coyo7e posted:

You are aware that there are different types of eugenics philosophy, right? Positive, negative, active, and passive. It's not that hard to form an argument for some of the less-bad kinds, although the "remember if you make X money then you are responsible for another person" thing is weird as gently caress.

Everything about the thing RR posted is terrible. As gently caress.

# ? Sep 27, 2015 18:11

The Vosgian Beast: Aug 13, 2011; Business is slow

Jack Gladney posted:

Who is this guy? Kind of curious about publications now, from a "criminologist" who believes in biology as a root cause of crime.

Maybe it's the guy who narrates Rocky Horror Picture Show

# ? Sep 27, 2015 18:18

Darth Walrus: Feb 13, 2012

Race Realists posted:

I told him to get his A in the class and get the gently caress out of there

Not that I'm blaming you for your brother's insane professor, but this is a pretty amazing username-post combo.

# ? Sep 27, 2015 18:21

Heresiarch: Oct 6, 2005; Literature is not exhaustible, for the sufficient and simple reason that no single book is. A book is not an isolated being: it is a relationship, an axis of innumerable relationships.

Jack Gladney posted:

Who is this guy? Kind of curious about publications now, from a "criminologist" who believes in biology as a root cause of crime.

It's a community college so I doubt the guy has a publication history.

# ? Sep 27, 2015 18:33

Heresiarch: Oct 6, 2005; Literature is not exhaustible, for the sufficient and simple reason that no single book is. A book is not an isolated being: it is a relationship, an axis of innumerable relationships.

Also, in case anyone was wondering why the forums have been slow on and off for the last week or so:

Lowtax posted:

Actually we were being DDoSed for several days

Lowtax posted:

same reason I'm currently being doxxed, I made fun of Gamergate

# ? Sep 27, 2015 18:46

Wales Grey: Jun 20, 2012

Race Realists posted:

I told him to get his A in the class and get the gently caress out of there

How is eugenics even remotely connected to criminology?

# ? Sep 27, 2015 18:49

I AM GRANDO: Aug 20, 2006

Heresiarch posted:

Also, in case anyone was wondering why the forums have been slow on and off for the last week or so:

Back on the front lines of popular culture (that nobody cares about), baby!

# ? Sep 27, 2015 19:01

Strudel Man: May 19, 2003; ROME DID NOT HAVE ROBOTS, FUCKWIT

Wales Grey posted:

How is eugenics even remotely connected to criminology?

Eugenics, particularly in the United States, was intimately connected to crime prevention.

quote:

The tenets of modern criminology according to Lydston in brief are these

1. The criminal and vice classes are the product of certain Influences of heredity, congenital and acquired disease, and unfavorable surroundings involving pernicious teaching and example, physical necessities and other social maladies.
2. These influences result in a class of persons of a low grade of development, physically and mentally, with a defective understanding of their true relations to the social system in which they live. Such persons have no true conception of that variable thing called morality and in the case of the criminal, no respect whatever for the rights of others save in so far as it may be compelled by fear of punishment. Some become criminals, some paupers, and still others prostitutes, inebriates, or insane
3 These subjects are characterized upon the average by certain anomalies of development that constitute the so-called stigmata or marks of degeneracy. In them vice crime and disease go hand in hand

# ? Sep 27, 2015 19:17

DarklyDreaming: Apr 4, 2009; Fun scary

Strudel Man posted:

Eugenics, particularly in the United States, was intimately connected to crime prevention.

Yeah pretty much every modern society that has crime experimented with sterilization of criminals at one point or another. The fact that it never put a dent in their nation's crime rates is usually unsaid in favor of "JESUS gently caress WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU. WHY WOULD YOU SUGGEST THAT YOU MONSTER" :fuckoff:

# ? Sep 27, 2015 19:26

ArchangeI: Jul 15, 2010

Heresiarch posted:

Also, in case anyone was wondering why the forums have been slow on and off for the last week or so:

It's about ethics in internet comedy forums

# ? Sep 27, 2015 19:27

Dr Pepper: Feb 4, 2012; Don't like it? well...

Heresiarch posted:

Also, in case anyone was wondering why the forums have been slow on and off for the last week or so:

I hadn't even noticed.

# ? Sep 27, 2015 19:37

Laserjet 4P: Mar 28, 2005; What does it mean?; Fun Shoe

Strudel Man posted:

Eugenics, particularly in the United States, was intimately connected to crime prevention.

Turns out it was lead paint, and it would've gotten away with it if it weren't for those darn meddlin' ~~EPA~~ kids! :v:

# ? Sep 27, 2015 19:38

I AM GRANDO: Aug 20, 2006

Has anyone ever made a joke about it being all about ethnics in video games journalism?

# ? Sep 27, 2015 19:39

Woolie Wool: Jun 2, 2006

Heresiarch posted:

Also, in case anyone was wondering why the forums have been slow on and off for the last week or so:

(Lowtaxed DDoSed and doxxed for making fun of Gamergate)

Gamergate actually about freedom. The freedom to forcibly shut up anyone who disagrees with us. For ethics in game journalism. Nothing suspicious here!

# ? Sep 27, 2015 19:46

divabot: Jun 17, 2015; A polite little mouse!

To give credit where it's due, today I'm having a reasonable and interesting discussion with Wesley about popular music, wherein he basically knows what he's talking about (ICP fandom notwithstanding), and hopefully I do too. Nothing NRx about it, though I admit I used the word "reactionary" deliberately.

# ? Sep 27, 2015 20:10

Strudel Man: May 19, 2003; ROME DID NOT HAVE ROBOTS, FUCKWIT

Laserjet 4P posted:

Turns out it was lead paint, and it would've gotten away with it if it weren't for those darn meddlin' ~~EPA~~ kids!

That's certainly a noteworthy theory, but I tend not to find it terribly compelling, because while the removal of lead-based paints and the switch to unleaded gasoline tracks well with the decline in crime rates since the 90s, it is an extremely poor match for the long rise since the 60s to get to that point. From what I've read, use of lead paint peaked in the 20s, which would suggest there should have been a crime peak around the 40s, not 50 years later.

# ? Sep 27, 2015 20:15

The Vosgian Beast: Aug 13, 2011; Business is slow

divabot posted:

To give credit where it's due

Please don't. That's what's made several blogs I used to like unreadable, as I now have to slog through debates with multiple neo-nazi interlocutors every time they say anything.

# ? Sep 27, 2015 20:23

The Vosgian Beast: Aug 13, 2011; Business is slow

Heresiarch posted:

Also, in case anyone was wondering why the forums have been slow on and off for the last week or so:

Lowtax needs to ride his new status as a foe of Gamergate to fame and fortune by convincing the UN to give him lots of ten dollar bills to fight internet harassment.

# ? Sep 27, 2015 20:24

Annointed: Mar 2, 2013

It's glorious to see their butthurt over Anita and Zoe getting UN recognition. Breitbart tears are so funny considering that they wouldn't be there if they just decided to not overreact. It makes me smile something fierce.

# ? Sep 27, 2015 20:46

I AM GRANDO: Aug 20, 2006

Strudel Man posted:

That's certainly a noteworthy theory, but I tend not to find it terribly compelling, because while the removal of lead-based paints and the switch to unleaded gasoline tracks well with the decline in crime rates since the 90s, it is an extremely poor match for the long rise since the 60s to get to that point. From what I've read, use of lead paint peaked in the 20s, which would suggest there should have been a crime peak around the 40s, not 50 years later.

There could be other factors that would cause crime to peak independent of brain damage. A big population spike might be one. Also, leaded gasoline use certainly didn't peak in the 20s.

# ? Sep 27, 2015 20:49

The Vosgian Beast: Aug 13, 2011; Business is slow

Annointed posted:

It's glorious to see their butthurt over Anita and Zoe getting UN recognition. Breitbart tears are so funny considering that they wouldn't be there if they just decided to not overreact. It makes me smile something fierce.

Breitbart and Gamergate are the coyote, and Anita and Zoe are the roadrunner.

# ? Sep 27, 2015 20:55

I AM GRANDO: Aug 20, 2006

I still cant believe that the conservative establishment took a look at gamergate and decided to court those turds as the youth vote worth securing. I suppose their obesity and poor hygiene mean that very few will live long enough to collect social security.

# ? Sep 27, 2015 20:58

Heresiarch: Oct 6, 2005; Literature is not exhaustible, for the sufficient and simple reason that no single book is. A book is not an isolated being: it is a relationship, an axis of innumerable relationships.

Jack Gladney posted:

I still cant believe that the conservative establishment took a look at gamergate and decided to court those turds as the youth vote worth securing. I suppose their obesity and poor hygiene mean that very few will live long enough to collect social security.

I wouldn't call Breitbard et al the "conservative establishment". They desperately want to be but they're actually a liability for mainstream American conservatism in the same way that the Tea Party types are, since they're trying to force the Republican party further and further into extremism.

On the other hand, gators are the perfect target for conservative youth vote since they've already wrapped their self-image up in conspicuous consumption and tribalism.

# ? Sep 27, 2015 21:09

The Vosgian Beast: Aug 13, 2011; Business is slow

If you want to get angry about the plight of low status males, get angry at reactionaries courting depressive and outcast young men as disposable shock troops for their culture war.

# ? Sep 27, 2015 21:10

Cingulate: Oct 23, 2012; by Fluffdaddy

The system profits immensely from gamergate and Breitbart and Trump. It gives the left the idea that evil can, and must, somehow be dealt with within the system. Like, we can just deal with Fat Nerdy White Males and racism sexism et al. (and probably, somehow, climate change?!?) will be gone. We don't need a revolution, capitalism can continue.

# ? Sep 27, 2015 22:34

Woolie Wool: Jun 2, 2006

Jack Gladney posted:

I still cant believe that the conservative establishment took a look at gamergate and decided to court those turds as the youth vote worth securing. I suppose their obesity and poor hygiene mean that very few will live long enough to collect social security.

The establishment are irrelevant now. They tried to ride this tiger for 40 years and now it's eating them.

# ? Sep 27, 2015 22:40

Wales Grey: Jun 20, 2012

Strudel Man posted:

Eugenics, particularly in the United States, was intimately connected to crime prevention.

I was going to riff on the usage of "morals" instead of "ethics" squarely dating your excerpt as 18th century pseudosociology, but then I remembered there are still people who write about "morals" in the context of a culture or society being "moral". :eng99:

# ? Sep 27, 2015 23:28

Heresiarch: Oct 6, 2005; Literature is not exhaustible, for the sufficient and simple reason that no single book is. A book is not an isolated being: it is a relationship, an axis of innumerable relationships.

Cingulate posted:

The system profits immensely from gamergate and Breitbart and Trump. It gives the left the idea that evil can, and must, somehow be dealt with within the system. Like, we can just deal with Fat Nerdy White Males and racism sexism et al. (and probably, somehow, climate change?!?) will be gone. We don't need a revolution, capitalism can continue.

I presume you mean the American "left" which is a bunch of business-friendly centrists by anybody else's measurement.

# ? Sep 28, 2015 00:00

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You are coming down with me, hand in unlovable hand.

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Annointed posted:

It's glorious to see their butthurt over Anita and Zoe getting UN recognition. Breitbart tears are so funny considering that they wouldn't be there if they just decided to not overreact. It makes me smile something fierce.

The site is named for and was started by a man who was caught on video screaming at OWS protesters shortly before dying from a heart attack. Overreaction is in its code.

# ? Sep 28, 2015 00:32

Heresiarch: Oct 6, 2005; Literature is not exhaustible, for the sufficient and simple reason that no single book is. A book is not an isolated being: it is a relationship, an axis of innumerable relationships.

And if anybody's missed it, this obit is probably the best thing you can read about Breitbart. If you read nothing else, jump to the final paragraph.

# ? Sep 28, 2015 00:39

Cingulate: Oct 23, 2012; by Fluffdaddy

Heresiarch posted:

I presume you mean the American "left" which is a bunch of business-friendly centrists by anybody else's measurement.

Anybody who believes racism, sexism etc. can be ended within capitalism.

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Strudel Man: May 19, 2003; ROME DID NOT HAVE ROBOTS, FUCKWIT

Jack Gladney posted:

There could be other factors that would cause crime to peak independent of brain damage. A big population spike might be one. Also, leaded gasoline use certainly didn't peak in the 20s.

All true, but it's still a rather glaring hole in what is usually proposed as a comprehensive explanation.

Wales Grey posted:

I was going to riff on the usage of "morals" instead of "ethics" squarely dating your excerpt as 18th century pseudosociology, but then I remembered there are still people who write about "morals" in the context of a culture or society being "moral".

I don't really see what's inappropriate about the term.

quote:

Ninety-nine percent of all new income generated today goes to the top 1 percent. The top one-tenth of 1 percent owns as much wealth as the bottom 90 percent. Does anybody think this is the kind of economy we should have. Do we think it's moral?

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