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lfield posted:I want a game where you play as The Boss building the Cobra Unit during WWII. Nazi super-soldier plot. Hitler in a Metal Gear. You finally get to the top of the Eagle's Nest to fight with Hitler Gear, but then it turns out his head was just exploded by a man with a bionic arm. Crossover time!
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Let's say... hypothetically... I want to beat 45 with only the GROM Quiet gives you and whatever's lying around the mission area. Anyone got any ideas for this? Abusing the building was my main thought but the GROM takes forever to actually kill anything so other vehicles start rolling up on you in short order and things get messy. If you're drawing attention Quiet doesn't take a whole lot of damage or anything but I don't know if she could finish the mission by herself (does she use the AMR Butterfly in the mission if you equipped it on her?), nor whether I could safely bullet hell 14 vehicles long enough for Quiet to take them out. I tried the mortars but the one at your start position is instantly destroyed by the first tank and the rest don't survive long. I'd thought there was a mortar on the palace roof but there isn't.
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Sep 27, 2015 18:44
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Was anyone else expecting the life raft that huey was on to suddenly be popped by gunfire? I forgot that he died years later so I was surprised that he got away scot free basically. Also holy poo poo poor Strangelove, and paz......and chico.....
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Sep 27, 2015 18:46
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Nakar posted:Let's say... hypothetically... I want to beat 45 with only the GROM Quiet gives you and whatever's lying around the mission area. Anyone got any ideas for this? Abusing the building was my main thought but the GROM takes forever to actually kill anything so other vehicles start rolling up on you in short order and things get messy. If you're drawing attention Quiet doesn't take a whole lot of damage or anything but I don't know if she could finish the mission by herself (does she use the AMR Butterfly in the mission if you equipped it on her?), nor whether I could safely bullet hell 14 vehicles long enough for Quiet to take them out. I tried the mortars but the one at your start position is instantly destroyed by the first tank and the rest don't survive long. I'd thought there was a mortar on the palace roof but there isn't. call in air strikes
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Sep 27, 2015 18:46
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CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK posted:call in air strikes Pequod can be called to the LZ you later have to travel to, so in theory if Pequod could be lured into the area of operations then he could do it for me. But I think the LZ is too far away for him to move in on the tanks.
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Sep 27, 2015 18:47
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Also, people have already kind of talked about this, but I think the next-to-last Paz tape is really powerful. Where Paz realizes that it's still three days until Peace Day, but it was three days away yesterday, and starts freaking out about repeating the same day over and over. Because something about a mental projection who isn't real recognizing that their reality is breaking somehow says a lot about Venom's own delusions. He's not just hallucinating someone from his perspective, his empathy for that person is informing his mental projection of that person "from that person's point of view". Which I think is a really well done idea. I thought it was really chilling, ominous, and a bit sad when I heard it.
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Sep 27, 2015 18:48
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I died multiple times in Mission 45 because those PIECE OF poo poo TANK TURRETS TRACK YOU WHEREVER YOU GO. Especially that last T-80 tank that hit me directly in the chest after peeking to see if it was still alive. All of these tries Quiet did not get hurt at all, goddamnit.
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Sep 27, 2015 18:49
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Venom was just really looking forward to Peace Day because he's a huge Paz fan. The reason those anime posters keep showing up even though nobody else seems to notice them or care? Delusions. Medic was a huge Paz idol fanboy and having this forever denied to him has driven him to madness.
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Sep 27, 2015 18:50
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Brazilianpeanutwar posted:Was anyone else expecting the life raft that huey was on to suddenly be popped by gunfire? I forgot that he died years later so I was surprised that he got away scot free basically. If you know how Huey dies, he didn't get off scot-free.
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Sep 27, 2015 18:50
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Panzeh posted:If you know how Huey dies, he didn't get off scot-free. He really does though. He never get's what's coming to him for all his murders and war crimes. he just finally can't escape his own patheticity and tried to murder-suicide his adopted daughter (right?)
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Sep 27, 2015 18:52
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I enjoyed the tapes after completing mission 46 more than the cutscenes and felt like those were a better ending. Too bad most players are probably ignoring the tapes. My roommate is also playing the game but is still at mission 31 and its fun to catch all the hints that are dropped about you not being snake. There is a lot of details that don't make sense until you replay the game.
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Sep 27, 2015 19:01
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Snak posted:He really does though. He never get's what's coming to him for all his murders and war crimes. he just finally can't escape his own patheticity and tried to murder-suicide his adopted daughter (right?) After finding out his wife is cheating on him with his own son.
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Sep 27, 2015 19:03
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RatHat posted:After finding out his wife is cheating on him with his own son. yeah, so you could say that's karma, I guess, be he never gets brought to trial for all his poo poo. Like after everything that every other MGS character has gone through, that's like the most "get over it" poo poo ever. Boo hoo.
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Sep 27, 2015 19:06
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Snak posted:yeah, so you could say that's karma, I guess, be he never gets brought to trial for all his poo poo. If you're looking for serious justice in metal gear, you've come to the wrong place.
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Sep 27, 2015 19:08
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Hal cuckolding Huey is ultimate justice. gently caress that guy, his fate was truly fitting.
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Sep 27, 2015 19:22
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I don't think they should have killed Huey but sending him off to merrily scoot back to Cipher with insanely in-depth knowledge of everything about DD's R&D was extremely dumb.
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Sep 27, 2015 19:22
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Panzeh posted:If you're looking for serious justice in metal gear, you've come to the wrong place. Well I didn't say I was looking for it, but someone said he didn't get off scot-free. He did for all the terrible things he did in this game. But it turns out he was so pathetic that he killed himself for a totally unrelated bad thing happening to him.
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Sep 27, 2015 19:24
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Lunchmeat Larry posted:I don't think they should have killed Huey but sending him off to merrily scoot back to Cipher with insanely in-depth knowledge of everything about DD's R&D was extremely dumb. Does that really matter thought since Ocelot was working for Cipher anyway? In a way Miller was on contract to do remake mother base from Zero also. Also there is that dialogue between Ocelot and Miller where Ocelot says something along the lines of "when you decide to go back to Cipher." SPACE HOMOS fucked around with this message at 19:30 on Sep 27, 2015 |
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Sep 27, 2015 19:28
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I think we can all agree : gently caress huey Also I think i'm completely done with this game, at least for two or 3 months, I've burned myself out on it.
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Sep 27, 2015 19:34
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SPACE HOMOS posted:Does that really matter thought since Ocelot was working for Cipher anyway? In a way Miller was on contract to do remake mother base from Zero also.
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Sep 27, 2015 19:49
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Snak posted:Oh man, which Quiet going away and the whole child soldiers theme already existing, it would have been really cool if after Quiet left, Venom found 10 year old Sniper Wolf and she became a buddy. It'd be a really good game-play/theme interaction, because most players would want to use her because they want Quiet's functionality, so it would give them incentive to deploy a child soldier. I am already envisioning a totally adorable cutscene where shell-shocked Little Wolf uses DD as a therapy buddy. IT MAKES SENSE DOESN'T IT?
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Sep 27, 2015 20:04
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Sniper Wolf then rides D-Dog to get around.
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Sep 27, 2015 20:13
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Nakar posted:I also want an S rank so no fire support or weather changing. I suppose Mist/Armor Parasites but that's against the spirit of the challenge. I saw this watching a friend doing mission 45. You can call in Pequod as a pick up on the end mission LZ and he will go to your site and help you clear up any vehicles on the ground.
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Sep 27, 2015 20:22
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The guy threw his own robot legs, the only thing he really cares about, into the ocean. I think that is more justice than just killing him.
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Sep 27, 2015 20:54
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Bholder posted:The guy threw his own robot legs, the only thing he really cares about, into the ocean. I think that is more justice than just killing him. Like he won't be able to just build more as soon as he reaches dry land. I'm sure the first thing he does is tip an old person out of their hoverround. And then claim that they threatened him and that it was self-defense. They MADE him do it!
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Sep 27, 2015 21:02
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This game changed my opinion about Huey, for the better. At first I didn't like he was basically Otacon but disabled. During the trial scene when Huey was saying "I wasn't a bad guy I didn't know better, we shouldn't have had a nuke anyway" the obvious explanation is that he's super insecure and defensive and obsessively desires some kind of validation. Huey isn't even his name! That's probably why he killed/failed to save Strangelove, despite having sex with him and being a father, she doesn't love or even really respect him. She only loves The Boss. Huey's spite killed her. Through malice or neglect, Huey's spite caused an epidemic at MB, and defensively puts the blame on someone else (Venom seemed okay with that, considering that's his shtick, but BB probably would have killed him). That's ultimately probably why he killed himself. His wife preferred to gently caress Huey with legs, Hal. Huey's obviously full of poo poo, right? If he thought MB shouldn't have a nuke, why'd he help hide Zeke? Except he did actually did dispose of Zeke, under the ocean. If he honestly didn't know the IAEA was a ruse, how easy would it have been to engineer a character flaw?
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Sep 27, 2015 21:05
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Yeah I agree, I really liked how they did Huey. I also liked how even Skullface is disgusted with him.Snak posted:Like he won't be able to just build more as soon as he reaches dry land. I'm sure the first thing he does is tip an old person out of their hoverround. And then claim that they threatened him and that it was self-defense. They MADE him do it! He needs the archaea to make them for some reason so he's probably screwed. Better make another walking wheelchair.
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Sep 27, 2015 21:13
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Anyone have a gif of Skullface shoving Huey down the stairs? That was A Good Thing.
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Sep 27, 2015 21:15
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The fact that so many people despise the horrible poo poo is proof positive that he was done well. People only like to really laugh at Skullyboy where as he's meant to be the main villain but Huey is an atrocious piece of poo poo.
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Sep 27, 2015 21:17
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Still kinda sad we never reclaimed Zeke. That seemed to be such a deliberate thing to talk about but nothing came of it. 
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Sep 27, 2015 21:18
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For all their mistakes, Hal and Dave aren't anywhere near their fathers' level of dirtbag. This is the final lesson.Snak posted:Sniper Wolf then rides D-Dog to get around. This but with Quiet giving her a piggyback ride from which to snipe fools.
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Sep 27, 2015 21:19
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RatHat posted:He needs the archaea to make them for some reason so he's probably screwed. Better make another walking wheelchair. Nah, he needed archaea for that specific design. He whipped up Battle Gear in like, no time. Of course he overengineered those legs to a fault. It's not like he won't just come up with a new design.
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Sep 27, 2015 21:26
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Huey builds new legs and spends the rest of his pathetic life scared shitless that Big Boss, Miller, and Ocelot are going to have him offed in the night.
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Funky Valentine posted:Huey builds new legs and spends the rest of his pathetic life scared shitless that Big Boss, Miller, and Ocelot are going to have him offed in the night. Yeah, ha. One of my friends said it was probably like this and that suited me. Reminds me of one of my favourite mission chains in City of Heroes. You're meant to track down and kill a specific person in a certain mission within a certain time limit, but if that limit expires the story is tweaked as if you deliberately allowed him to escape. The epilogue makes a point of showing how your victim never rests, never stops running, never stop thinking you're just over his shoulder. It was really, really satisfying.
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Sep 27, 2015 21:31
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Why did Paz want Zero killed? I played PW but it was a long time ago and I don't remember.
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Sep 27, 2015 21:32
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SPACE HOMOS posted:Why did Paz want Zero killed? I played PW but it was a long time ago and I don't remember. Uh because she was an Angel of Peace? She was a student!
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Sep 27, 2015 21:35
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We'll never know what Kindly Illuminati Grandpa Zero told Ordinary Japanese Highschool Student of Peace Paz exactly, but she seems to be convinced that to defy or fail Cipher is a fate worse than death.
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Sep 27, 2015 21:38
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SPACE HOMOS posted:Why did Paz want Zero killed? I played PW but it was a long time ago and I don't remember. This was Skullface mindfucking Paz in a different way. He convinced her to tell him where Zero is by telling her that all the bad stuff happening to her is really coming from Zero's orders, "ssssoo, if you'd tell me where he's hiding out, I can kill him and you'll be ok!"
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Nakar posted:Let's say... hypothetically... I want to beat 45 with only the GROM Quiet gives you and whatever's lying around the mission area. Anyone got any ideas for this? Abusing the building was my main thought but the GROM takes forever to actually kill anything so other vehicles start rolling up on you in short order and things get messy. If you're drawing attention Quiet doesn't take a whole lot of damage or anything but I don't know if she could finish the mission by herself (does she use the AMR Butterfly in the mission if you equipped it on her?), nor whether I could safely bullet hell 14 vehicles long enough for Quiet to take them out. I tried the mortars but the one at your start position is instantly destroyed by the first tank and the rest don't survive long. I'd thought there was a mortar on the palace roof but there isn't. Holy poo poo the 2 star Grom does barely any damage This doesn't matter because if you take alternating pot shots from the north and south ends of the building, you never get fired upon because the enemy can't decide whether to target your last known position or Quiet. The secret ingredient over taking a good launcher: I hope you were practicing your brass balls vehicle fultoning on Backup Back down and Proxy War Without End or the last couple tanks might kill Quiet before your piddly Grom does any real damage. Make sure they are distracted by Quiet and you have a good vector on your target that excludes the firing lines of any other active armor, and fulton dive like the Big Boss you are. This is also useful for the APCs that drive up, but be aware they are functioning as actual APCs and will drop dudes off, maybe into your face, so bring a shotgun or whatever you like to kill soldiers. Did it on I think my 3rd try from the mid fight checkpoint. Every death is directly attributable to getting greedy with a second shot while the armor was acquiring me as a target. Max rank combat armor seemed useful for the soldiers, if not any of the big guns. If someone can do that challenge without getting Quiet hurt (besides parasite armor fultoning), they are the true Metal Gear anti tank masters.
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So I finally got around to reading the spoilery bits of the guide and there was a really funny bit where they said "konami said we can't reveal the identity of Ishmael. Here's a list of similarities he has to big boss, here are some reasons he's not a hallucination, and here are some clues pointing to venom snake not being big boss. We have no idea what any of this information could possibly point to."
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