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Strudel Man posted:I don't really see what's inappropriate about the term. Morals are irrelevant in establishing effective policy because morality is a set of personal beliefs. Your quote is asking an irrelevant or meaningless question; social structures such as "the economy" cannot be "moral" because are not individual persons and as such cannot hold a belief.
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Wales Grey posted:Morals are irrelevant in establishing effective policy because morality is a set of personal beliefs. Your quote is asking an irrelevant or meaningless question; social structures such as "the economy" cannot be "moral" because are not individual persons and as such cannot hold a belief. Strudel Man has a new favorite as of 02:37 on Sep 28, 2015 |
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Wales Grey posted:Morals are irrelevant in establishing effective policy because morality is a set of personal beliefs. Your quote is asking an irrelevant or meaningless question; social structures such as "the economy" cannot be "moral" because are not individual persons and as such cannot hold a belief. All societies which have heretofore concerned themselves with "public morals" were wrong and stupid because such a thing cannot exist, got it. If only they had had copies of Wales Grey's dictionary, so many errors could have been avoided.
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Cingulate posted:Everything about the thing RR posted is terrible. As gently caress. There are some less wrong ways to bring the issue up, I was merely attempting to make sure people are aware the eugenics doesn't always necessarily involve forcible sterilization of undesirables. As Elon James White said the other day, "I'm pretty sure that there are way easier ways to traffic in fetus parts than poking holes in condoms and distributing them to kids.. Why not just find some people who're really poor and then offer them a business transaction?" Wales Grey posted:Morals are irrelevant in establishing effective policy because morality is a set of personal beliefs. Your quote is asking an irrelevant or meaningless question; social structures such as "the economy" cannot be "moral" because are not individual persons and as such cannot hold a belief.
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coyo7e posted:There are some less wrong ways to bring the issue up, I was merely attempting to make sure people are aware the eugenics doesn't always necessarily involve forcible sterilization of undesirables. As Elon James White said the other day, "I'm pretty sure that there are way easier ways to traffic in fetus parts than poking holes in condoms and distributing them to kids.. Why not just find some people who're really poor and then offer them a business transaction?" I don't think anyone is suggesting there is a particular sin in, for instance, opting to adopt rather than sire/bear your own child because you are a carrier for a nasty disease. The issue becomes when this is an enforced matter - which I guess, if you had to be pedantic, you could call "eugenic policy".
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Nessus posted:A modest proposal if you will.  , but this is enforced to a degree already (bans on cousin marriage, for example).
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Silver2195 posted:
In a sense, banning it is more akin to banning drinking while pregnant than it is to actual eugenic prohibitions.
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Nessus posted:A modest proposal if you will.
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Eugenics is exactly backwards. The better you make people's lives, the fewer kids they have. Usually people who advocate for eugenics want to save on social welfare for the poor and their many children.
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hell, just make it so poor people have easy access to effective contraception and they'll jump right on that poo poo, sex is a free entertainment source and having kids is expensive unfortunately the US would rather do the exact opposite of this and then blame poor people for having babies they can't feed edit: improving people's lives and access to contraception go hand in hand, like a feedback loop of social progress
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Sep 28, 2015 19:03
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Justine Tunney better say something really stupid fast, this is getting old.
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A terrible thing happened on Twitter: ClarkHat started talking about poor people.     Edit: Images weren't displaying at first because I'm an idiot. Curvature of Earth has a new favorite as of 20:53 on Sep 28, 2015 |
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Sep 28, 2015 20:18
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Curvature of Earth posted:A terrible thing happened on Twitter: ClarkHat started talking about poor people. You've got to and an "i." and a ".jpg" to Imgur links to get the image directly:
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Poor people work fewer hours... and are thus less hard working!
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FouRPlaY posted:You've got to and an "i." and a ".jpg" to Imgur links to get the image directly: Thanks. I can't believe I made that dumb a mistake. I need to ask ClarkHat if I'm dumb enough to be destined for poverty 
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vaguely posted:hell, just make it so poor people have easy access to effective contraception and they'll jump right on that poo poo, sex is a free entertainment source and having kids is expensive No you see, poverty is a reflection of people being failures at life so poors must be punished constantly. If a poor is not suffering for even a moment, it's a betrayal of the American Way. No sex, no TV, no music, no internet, just endless drudgery and inescapable torment. The desire to motivate through negative reinforcement and the desire to vent moral outrage through punishment ultimately cancel each other out, leaving only the brutal pleasure of destroying a human life beneath your heel. The object of torture is torture. Woolie Wool has a new favorite as of 21:07 on Sep 28, 2015 |
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Nessus posted:Poor people work fewer hours... and are thus less hard working! Because in this America, every hour of work is paid exactly the same. It's just a fact that an average CEO manages to work more than 200 hours a week, and they shouldn't be punished for it!
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Woolie Wool posted:No you see, poverty is a reflection of people being failures at life so poors must be punished constantly. If a poor is not suffering for even a moment, it's a betrayal of the American Way. No sex, no TV, no music, no internet, just endless drudgery and inescapable torment. ArchangeI posted:Because in this America, every hour of work is paid exactly the same. It's just a fact that an average CEO manages to work more than 200 hours a week, and they shouldn't be punished for it! Gonna have to give this one to Woolie wool Archangel.  And of course he never asks "if you're living paycheck to paycheck then how can you plan ahead". What a colossal ego it must take to not see that.
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ArchangeI posted:Because in this America, every hour of work is paid exactly the same. It's just a fact that an average CEO manages to work more than 200 hours a week, and they shouldn't be punished for it!
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I love "there's nothing unfair about America, as this graph* shows" *of non-Hispanic White Men aged 40-50
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Nessus posted:And I see we've handily accounted for the poors who ARE working many hours by saying they're "not planning ahead." Oh, you're working three jobs to make ends meet? Don't you know you can sign up for community college and study your way into a better job? Time isn't a finite and fragile resource for me, how can it be one for anyone else?
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Somfin posted:Oh, you're working three jobs to make ends meet? How uniquely American!
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Somfin posted:Oh, you're working three jobs to make ends meet? Don't you know you can sign up for community college and study your way into a better job? Time isn't a finite and fragile resource for me, how can it be one for anyone else? Yeah okay so you have to give up one job to free up time for college. That's okay, you can make up for the shortfall by taking out a loan. It'll be easy to pay off once you've got a better job. Taking out a loan to cover living expenses is the very model of irresponsible short-term thinking and I don't see why I should have to pay for your mistakes.
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This thread is just one subthread of a multidimensional shitshow (and I'm in there flinging it), but the last comment caught my eye. Perhaps it will catch yours too.
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divabot posted:This thread is just one subthread of a multidimensional shitshow (and I'm in there flinging it), but the last comment caught my eye. Perhaps it will catch yours too. A lot of that strikes me as bullshit. It's still amazing to think that the SA thede / phyle has had so much influence so as to invent neoreaction before neoreaction, and social justice warriors before social justice warriors. But, if you'd take a look at the GBS off-forums mentioned in the tumblr thread, you'd find that they're either ambivalent towards NRx (SS) or negative towards it (MPC). And indeed, a look at these forums would show that these forums are much more openly racist, almost to the point of self-parody, than NRx ever was. So I guess goons win after all.
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Tumblr is so terrible to read on mobile. I mean, it's not great on PC, but it's terrible on a phone. If Disqus could just eat Tumblr that'd be great.
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Curvature of Earth posted:A terrible thing happened on Twitter: ClarkHat started talking about poor people. This is one of the PopeHat guys, right? I've always been wary of using them as a source for anything law-related and this kind of thing is one of the reasons why.
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Heresiarch posted:This is one of the PopeHat guys, right? I've always been wary of using them as a source for anything law-related and this kind of thing is one of the reasons why. Clarkhat is the stupid one. Popehat (Ken) is the reasonable one. But Clarkhat totally isn't NRx, all similarities and ideological agreements are coincidental.
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Merdifex posted:A lot of that strikes me as bullshit. It's still amazing to think that the SA thede / phyle has had so much influence so as to invent neoreaction before neoreaction, and social justice warriors before social justice warriors. But, if you'd take a look at the GBS off-forums mentioned in the tumblr thread, you'd find that they're either ambivalent towards NRx (SS) or negative towards it (MPC). MPC probably can't be considered forefathers of NRx, largely because they hate nerds as much as they hate black people and Jews.
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Nessus posted:Poor people work fewer hours... and are thus less hard working!
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coyo7e posted:I'd be fascinated to see how "number of different jobs held at same time" holds up instead of "number of hours officially on the time-clock". I have had several employers who regularly penciled-out my hours to make sure I didn't go over a certain cusp (which would cost them more). Also some amazing pre-hire packets which involved stuff like "you don't get paid at all for the first 30 days if you do not finish all training without any absences, lateness, etc". On the other hand, I expect that metric to be skewed by 1%ers who hold and work 3+ jobs at once (on various boards of directors that meet for two hours each month).
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People who aren't racist xenophobes are "beep-boops" says Wesley. http://severnayazemlya.tumblr.com/post/130083155618/davidsevera-i-would-be-more-intrigued-by-people I mean, how can you type this poo poo out with a straight face. But sure, preserve our thede or whatever.
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I find it kind of amazing (but not surprising) how much xenophobes like to concern troll about rape via the perennial scaremongering about roving bands of dusky rapist immigrants... But if it's an actual gang rape by the members of the lacrosse team, she's obviously lying blargh stfu whore ethics in games journalism.
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neonnoodle posted:I find it kind of amazing (but not surprising) how much xenophobes like to concern troll about rape via the perennial scaremongering about roving bands of dusky rapist immigrants... But if it's an actual gang rape by the members of the lacrosse team, she's obviously lying blargh stfu whore ethics in games journalism.
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For divabot, RW is a lovely community... because it has socialists in it... http://severnayazemlya.tumblr.com/post/130101624208/i-like-most-western-socialists-are-social
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You're not really talking about him because you aren't bending over backwards to interpret his statements in the best possible light, ignoring his worst aspects, and continually talking about how compassionate and kind he is. I mean if there were another way to talk about him, surely the rational ubermenschen at LW and SSC would have discovered it.
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The Vosgian Beast posted:You're not really talking about him because you aren't bending over backwards to interpret his statements in the best possible light, ignoring his worst aspects, and continually talking about how compassionate and kind he is. I've never seen and LW rationalists try to interpret statements he makes that are obviously racist. As far as they would show, such things don't exist. But hey, this guy came up with the cool and useful idea of fnords! He's totally a stand up guy. The closest it came to this was when Wesley wrote some huge moronic screed against "neoteny culture" and Scott thought it was supposed to be a demonstration of the concepts of fnords, or something.
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Merdifex posted:I've never seen and LW rationalists try to interpret statements he makes that are obviously racist. As far as they would show, such things don't exist. But hey, this guy came up with the cool and useful idea of fnords! He's totally a stand up guy. Oh god the neoteny culture thing. You can just say "infantile" or "childish", ya nerd.
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