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Invisble Manuel posted:Good news for those of us in Colorado - thanks to TABOR, recreational cannabis will be mostly tax free on Sept 16. Are they doing this instead of the refund thing? Because this is much better.
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Invisble Manuel posted:Good news for those of us in Colorado - thanks to TABOR, recreational cannabis will be mostly tax free on Sept 16. Enjoy it, but really its a poo poo law that causes a lot of other problems in this state. They should simply allow the state to collect a surplus.
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"poo poo. We made way too much money. We have give millions back." - something all the other states wish was a problem. Why don't we have full legalization yet?MrChupon posted:Enjoy it, but really its a poo poo law that causes a lot of other problems in this state. They should simply allow the state to collect a surplus. I can see why such a law would exist, though. It helps prevent departments from exploiting money making laws for their own benefit. I'd be pretty happy if the police in my area could only make so much on traffic and parking tickets before having to give it back, for instance. Edit: Never mind, I just read the details. It's stupid. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxpayer_Bill_of_Rights KillHour fucked around with this message at 17:43 on Sep 12, 2015 |
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Sep 12, 2015 17:37
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KillHour posted:I can see why such a law would exist, though. It helps prevent departments from exploiting money making laws for their own benefit. I'd be pretty happy if the police in my area could only make so much on traffic and parking tickets before having to give it back, for instance. Well I think there's maybe the smallest amount of difference between fine revenue and sales tax revenue.
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Rigged Death Trap posted:Well I think there's maybe the smallest amount of difference between fine revenue and sales tax revenue. Yeah, like I said, when I looked up the details of the law, I realized it's stupid. Doesn't mean a similar idea couldn't be implemented well, though.
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Sep 12, 2015 21:34
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The 2016 Missouri ballot measure will go ahead... for medical only 
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Broken Machine posted:As I said earlier, it's still a lesser problem than prescription drug abuse, but deaths due to heroin are way up. From the data you posted, deaths went from 4,397 in 2011 to 8,257 in 2013. That's almost double in two years. Usage rates may not have changed much, but availability is up and deaths are way up. As an aside, I wonder how many middle aged and older people have switched to heroin as the pill supplies dry up? Even Vicodin is now Schedule 2. I'd bet lots of addicts are newly ready for "The Strongest Thing You Can Get Without a Prescription."
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Sep 16, 2015 23:22
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Chuck Schumer thinks we should go after synthetic cannabis. http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2015/09/20/schumer-k2-crackdown/
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Slipknot Hoagie posted:Chuck Schumer thinks we should go after synthetic cannabis. I agree. We should all have ready access to real weed. A good opinion.
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Sep 21, 2015 19:05
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Reminder: sale of cannabis will be legal in Oregon the first of October. And tax-free for the rest of the year. Boring local news article: http://www.statesmanjournal.com/story/news/2015/09/26/oregon-dispensaries-eager-recreational-pot-sales/72704710/
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quote:The Black Activists Who Helped Launch the Drug War Origins of the drug war still racially driven though.
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Sep 29, 2015 08:48
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KingEup posted:Origins of the drug war still racially driven though. This was some issue in DC's cannabis campaign: we had huge support from some African Americans because of relatively popular usage (I'd bet DC's widespread government employment proportionally lowers usage rates for the white middle class) and widespread accurate perception of biases police enforcement. However, there was some strong opposition from some African American leaders since they considered drug use and the drug trade to be a scourge on the community. We ended up (not unexpectedly) doing weaker in Wards 7 and 8 (Anacostia) than in more mixed/gentrifying mid-town neighborhoods, though the only tiny sliver of area that didn't get over 50% support was a wealthy enclave area deep in the whitest part of the District.
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TapTheForwardAssist posted:This was some issue in DC's cannabis campaign: we had huge support from some African Americans because of relatively popular usage (I'd bet DC's widespread government employment proportionally lowers usage rates for the white middle class) and widespread accurate perception of biases police enforcement. However, there was some strong opposition from some African American leaders since they considered drug use and the drug trade to be a scourge on the community. We ended up (not unexpectedly) doing weaker in Wards 7 and 8 (Anacostia) than in more mixed/gentrifying mid-town neighborhoods, though the only tiny sliver of area that didn't get over 50% support was a wealthy enclave area deep in the whitest part of the District. Georgetown is poo poo and must be destroyed, what a worthless neighborhood. Any news on a buying / selling framework for DC? Are they still thinking about performing some legal judo to do it, or just hoping that Congress eventually gives in and allows it? I really want to be able to cross the river and buy some dang pot.
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This is a friend of mine: https://www.facebook.com/kacey.schlundt He's a disabled combat veteran. He's elected to get himself arrested for smoking cannabis on the steps of the local county courthouse. As an act of civil disobedience. Here's him getting arrested: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JaFHG35ie7M And here's him an' I getting high before hand, as he explains his intentions and position: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1eR7tEEijY I'unno. We'll see what happens. He intends to refuse bail and demand a trial by a jury of his peers. I intend to visit him in jail and help spread the message.
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How are u posted:Georgetown is poo poo and must be destroyed, what a worthless neighborhood. I think it's pretty much dead in the water, haven't heard any news about moving forward with it, but they're also not really going after people. https://www.washingtonpost.com/loca...40f8_story.html
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The Prison Problemquote:Moreover, the share of people imprisoned for drug offenses is dropping sharply, down by 22 percent between 2006 and 2011. Writing in Slate, Leon Neyfakh emphasized that if you released every drug offender from state prison today, you’d reduce the population only to 1.2 million from 1.5 million. This is rather surprising, is anyone able to confirm if this accurate? I've always been under the impression our incarcerated population was so significant because mandatory-minimums and drug laws.
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Tab8715 posted:The Prison Problem It was written by noted buzzkill David Brooks. He'll write whatever it takes to keep the drug war active. The last part is David Brooks speak for "I found a guy who agrees with me that drugs should be illegal still."
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Tab8715 posted:The Prison Problem In what world is a 20% drop in incarcerations not significant? This also doesn't include the indirect impact penalizing drugs has on other crime. but more generally, yes it's true that most people are not in prison for drugs. 53% in for violent crimes, 19% property crimes, 16% drugs. This excludes federal prison (where it's 50% drug crime), but that's less significant due to the smaller numbers. http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/p14.pdf edit: I'd love to see the specific numbers on this, it seems plausible although not necessarily the actual explanation. Seems like the whole 'tough on crime' shtick among prosecutors has been around for decades. quote:His research suggests that while it’s true that lawmakers passed a lot of measures calling for long prison sentences, if you look at how much time inmates actually served, not much has changed over the past few decades. Roughly half of all prisoners have prison terms in the range of two to three years, and only 10 percent serve more than seven years. The laws look punitive, but the time served hasn’t increased, and so harsh laws are not the main driver behind mass incarceration, either. Xandu fucked around with this message at 03:54 on Sep 30, 2015 |
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Yea. I think the major thing ending the war on drugs would do is impact municipal revenue via fines etc. This is assuming they just decriminalized rather then sell/tax. But of course any reduction in the incarcerated population is good thing.
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Powercrazy posted:Yea. I think the major thing ending the war on drugs would do is impact municipal revenue via fines etc. This is assuming they just decriminalized rather then sell/tax. Even there you have potential issues. I think for Oregon the vast majority of the tax revenue is sent to the state level.
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Most people arrested for drug possession might not be going to prison but they still often have a criminal record that completely kills any chance of getting a decent job. I was turned down for an apartment for just having a loving marijuana citation on my record, which is on par with a traffic ticket and technically not even a crime. Luckily I can just get an expungement but that's not cheap to do.
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Internet Webguy posted:It was written by noted buzzkill David Brooks. He'll write whatever it takes to keep the drug war active. The last part is David Brooks speak for "I found a guy who agrees with me that drugs should be illegal still." Agreed, but I'm curious if his numbers are correct.
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computer parts posted:Even there you have potential issues. I think for Oregon the vast majority of the tax revenue is sent to the state level. It all goes to the state through the OLCC, but the cities and counties who opted out of legalization don't get to benefit from that revenue.
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A South Dakota tribe is opening a marijuana "resort" http://www.inquisitr.com/2461714/tiny-south-dakota-tribe-to-open-a-marijuana-resort-and-it-may-be-the-first-of-many/
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The state of Victoria in Australia is legalizing medical cannabis: http://m.kcci.com/news/heres-why-more-iowa-teens-are-using-marijuana-officials-say/35662482 Meanwhile, Berlin is cracking down on weak cannabis enforcement, and some town in Iowa is blaming legal weed in Colorado for a local "epidemic" of teen toking: quote:AMES, Iowa -
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Imagine cannabis that is 50% THC. It wouldn't even be a plant, it would be a glob of oil.
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Salt Fish posted:Imagine cannabis that is 50% THC. It wouldn't even be a plant, it would be a glob of oil. Maybe she's talking about dabs?
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She's not. She's using the same old tired argument that "oh, my pot in the 70s was so much less potent than todays that's why it was ok for my generation to smoke but it isn't now."
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TapTheForwardAssist posted:The state of Victoria in Australia is legalizing medical cannabis: http://m.kcci.com/news/heres-why-more-iowa-teens-are-using-marijuana-officials-say/35662482 quote:Denton said the marijuana teens are using now is nothing like their parent's marijuana. She said pot in the 1960s had THC levels between 1 percent and 3 percent, whereas today’s marijuana could have up to 50 percent. Even in the 60s only naive, or hard up people smoked weed that weak. Maybe SHE smoked that feral hemp, but not everyone did. Having actually been alive and smoking back then I wonder how they got those figures? Did they just make them up? Did they count feral ditch weed into the stat? There was a lot of hunting down the evil hemp in Michigan, Indiana, and other places back then. Most people were either smoking Mexican pot or hashish from the Middle East where I grew up. We weren't as a rule smoking the stuff they were pulling up from the roadside. By the early 70s we were getting Colombian pot that was even better than most Mexican pot. That whole argument is based on bull poo poo.
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That whole argument about "The weed I smoked was weaker and more pious than what minorities are getting hopped up on and robbing innocent overly medicated Americans!" Is pretty much the "Only MY abortion is the moral abortion!" argument. Also a lot of former hippies and became neocons.
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I mean the argument is definitely bullshit for like 20 reasons but 50% strikes me as really pushing the limits of even theoretical believably.
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Make no mistake though, there are much stronger strains available today then there were even 10 years ago. Not that the %THC should matter concerning legality of cannabis.
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Powercrazy posted:Make no mistake though, there are much stronger strains available today then there were even 10 years ago. Not that the %THC should matter concerning legality of cannabis. But you don't understand! An increase of THC makes the drug stronger and therefore more addictive! What? No, I don't need proof of this, it's just common sense!
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Salt Fish posted:I mean the argument is definitely bullshit for like 20 reasons but 50% strikes me as really pushing the limits of even theoretical believably. The strongest I've seen in a store was 30%. I've heard of stronger but only by a few percentage points.
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ProperGanderPusher posted:But you don't understand! An increase of THC makes the drug stronger and therefore more addictive! Well, I do tend to buy the fellas a round of pints of vodka...
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Patter Song posted:Is there any Ohio polling re: the referendum this November? There was a poll taken back in March, 52–44 in favor of recreational legalization (like 84% in favor on just medical): quote:Ohio Marijuana Legalization Initiative The only question is whether the pro-cannabis folks throw up enough "this isn't the deal we're looking for" red flags and convince their stalwarts to hold out for a clean bill next year. But I don't know if there are enough people that are paying close enough attention and care enough about how the licenses are granted to effect the voting directly, though I suppose indirectly it could sap enthusiasm for volunteer ground-pounding leading up the election. But then balance that against the fact that it'll have been another half-year of cannabis being freely sold in WA and CO, and going into legality in DC, AL, and OR, without the sky falling. If OH goes this year, barring some absolute "cannabis secondhand smoke turns teens into cannibal zombies" wave of ill effects, 2016 will look to be a green landslide, leading I'd bet to a major federal sea-change by 2020. EDIT: any syrup-sippers got any good summary of what Canada is up to with weed? I see Harper's making an rear end of himself: quote:Asked about the Conservative Party's opposition to marijuana legalization, Harper said, "Tobacco is a product that does a lot of damage. Marijuana is infinitely worse."
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Tab8715 posted:What the odds for California or Nevada legalizing on the 2016 ballot? California seems like practically a given to me. Being an Arizona resident myself, I'm curious how Arizona's going to go. You wouldn't think a place like this would, but weed is shockingly popular here. Like everyone under 35 I've met uses it, and even people older than that tend to at worst not give a gently caress. Also, medical marijuana has been a thing here for some time now, and it's got a system that's about on the same level as Colorado's 5 years ago. Of course, my information is anecdotal, I haven't been able to find much in the way of reliable polling data, and I do live in Tucson, which is an infinitely cooler place than Phoenix or anywhere else in Maricopa county, literally and figuratively. But I wanna believe!
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