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Angela Christine posted:Daleks aren't a hivemind. Boy do I have some bad news for you! The good news is that Moffat quickly forgot he wrote that into them and then wrote other stupid things for them instead
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CobiWann posted:Moving away from episode chat for a second...they're starting to reveal the guest list for (Re)Generation Who in Baltimore in March for any Mid-Atlantic fans. Well I've got to get my ring modulator fixed now, there's now way I'm having Nick Briggs sign a broken one! Illuen posted:Didn't realize they had gotten Davison confirmed for this year. It really was an amazing con, and everyone was pretty awesome. Staff was a little flustered throughout, I think they had lots of behind the scenes issues, but they were still really professional and helpful to the con goers. EDIT - I should point out that Maera Sior was the one with the chutzpah to say "c'mon, let's go talk to Sylvester!" After The War fucked around with this message at 16:57 on Sep 29, 2015 |
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Sep 29, 2015 16:43
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The_Doctor posted:How is tracking down original 60s-style Daleks to go with your deliberately 60-s styled Dalek city lazy? Well there's also Daleks from the 70's, 80's, 90's, 2005 and 2008. I don't think they had to "track down" an old Dalek prop either, they're the BBC.
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Sep 29, 2015 16:45
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Kikka posted:Well there's also Daleks from the 70's, 80's, 90's, 2005 and 2008. I don't think they had to "track down" an old Dalek prop either, they're the BBC. If the BBC doesn't have the recordings of episodes from the sixties why would it still have the original props? They're fan ones, largely.
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Sep 29, 2015 16:57
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Even some of the new series Daleks in the episode are fan made, I think.
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Sep 29, 2015 16:59
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cargohills posted:Even some of the new series Daleks in the episode are fan made, I think. Even Dalek Sek was a fan prop.
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Sep 29, 2015 17:05
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Kikka posted:Well there's also Daleks from the 70's, 80's, 90's, 2005 and 2008. I don't think they had to "track down" an old Dalek prop either, they're the BBC. Hey, look at this guy, he knows everything about how the show is made. Let's all listen to him!
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Sep 29, 2015 17:06
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Burkion posted:One thing I do feel like I owe explaining to you- I have absolutely zero problems with your work, or really any of the work of the actors or prop people. I may laugh about stone pillar being used instead of metal or whatever else, but all of that is minor. MrL_JaKiri posted:There's a distinction between not liking the story and not liking the production. I don't doubt that all the people involved work very hard - as is traditional on Doctor Who - to deliver the best they can with the budget available. I just personally don't like the stories, or the style of stories, that Moffat appears to be choosing to do at the moment. Very good of both of you to say - I don't take anything that's said on here personally (nor is it my place to, I don't speak for DW). I just feel compelled to point out that DW does a lot on a television timeframe, and any perceived visual laziness/sloppiness is 99.9% of the time down to that. A friend of mine has just finished a large feature film and they've had a year and a half to prep a 2 hour film with half the sets we have over the tens of hours DW runs for in less than a year. The irony about doing a show about time travel is that it takes... a lot of time that you don't have. echoplex fucked around with this message at 17:24 on Sep 29, 2015 |
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Sep 29, 2015 17:20
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echoplex posted:Very nice of both of you to say - I don't take anything that's said on here personally (nor is it my place to, I don't speak for DW). I just feel compelled to point out that DW does a lot on a television timeframe, and any perceived laziness/sloppiness is 99.9% of the time down to that. Oh yeah, I understand that very well. When Christmas time rolls around I can't wait to hear any stories you have working on this stuff.
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Sep 29, 2015 17:24
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For reference, Tamm:  Ward:  [edit] You edited out the bit of the quote that I was referring to  DOCTOR WHO PRODUCTION IS TERRIBLE AND BAD
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Sep 29, 2015 17:26
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Neddy Seagoon posted:Even Dalek Sek was a fan prop. Indeed, the original sits in an office window just off Warren Street in London.
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Sep 29, 2015 18:13
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Can anyone remember all the names of the Cult of Skaro (without Dalek Pigslave being one of them)
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Sep 29, 2015 18:16
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Sec, Thay, Caan, Jast.
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Sep 29, 2015 18:20
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MrL_JaKiri posted:Can anyone remember all the names of the Cult of Skaro (without Dalek Pigslave being one of them) Off the top of my head I remember Dalek Sec, Dalek Thay, Dalek Caan, and the third one...I want to say... Dalek Just? Jess? I looked it up and wasn't TOO far off apparently. It's Pig Slave
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Sep 29, 2015 18:21
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MrL_JaKiri posted:For reference, I'm going to need more photographic evidence before I can draw a proper conclusion.
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Sep 29, 2015 18:28
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echoplex posted:I'm not a DW fan echoplex posted:The irony about doing a show about time travel is that it takes... a lot of time that you don't have. Nice try, but I'd recognize a Caves of Androzani quote variation anywhere!
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Sep 29, 2015 18:40
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CobiWann posted:I'm going to need more photographic evidence before I can draw a proper conclusion. Here's the "Frockumentary" they made about Lalla Ward's costumes. Romana I (Mary Tamm)     Romana II (Lalla Ward)      Romana III "Trey" (Juliet Landau - Big Finish)     
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Sep 29, 2015 18:55
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Romana's just the best.
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Sep 29, 2015 19:19
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cargohills posted:Romana's just the best. It's a shame we will never see Romana III on TV.
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Sep 29, 2015 19:22
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I hope Juliet Landau will get to be in an audio with the Doctor at some point. I'm sure she'd be great with Paul McGann.
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Sep 29, 2015 19:26
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Thank you for the pics and the link! I know find myself looking forward to the "Key to Time" story arc.
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Sep 29, 2015 19:37
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As someone who irregularly watches Dr Who I thought that episode was absolutely awful. The problem with it for me is that it feels like nothing has any tension to it. Any situation can just be got out of with some random poo poo that's never been mentioned before. It makes watching feel pointless.
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Sep 29, 2015 20:41
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The_Doctor posted:Indeed, the original sits in an office window just off Warren Street in London. Is he the black one? The sports car one? He is my favourite.
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Sep 29, 2015 20:51
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echoplex posted:Hey, look at this guy, he knows everything about how the show is made. Let's all listen to him! I mean they already had all of the old Daleks in Asylum of the Daleks. I don't think it was a terrible bother to get them again, or if they were even hauled off the BBC warehouses. Also, talking about favorite Daleks (and Asylum), mine are the ones from The Chase that were put in the special trauma ward after meeting Dracula and Frankenstein.
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Sep 29, 2015 21:44
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I can never read Mary Tamm's name without hearing Tom Baker in my head going,"Oh Mary  "
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Sep 29, 2015 21:47
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Question: does Mary Tamm play the woman asking the last question at the end of this NTNON sketch?
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Sep 29, 2015 21:56
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echoplex posted:Is he the black one? The sports car one? He is my favourite. He is indeed!
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Sep 29, 2015 23:20
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Wheat Loaf posted:Question: does Mary Tamm play the woman asking the last question at the end of this NTNON sketch? Mary Tamm AND Mel Smith! Which gives me an excuse to go watch Brain Donors again.
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Sep 29, 2015 23:21
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But Rocks Hurt Head posted:I can't believe we got to see Clara inside a Dalek again and there wasn't a single callback to Asylum. There were lots of callbacks that weren't called back, if you know what I mean. I think the earliest callback was the WOTAN reference. (Part 1 of the episode, sure, but still the same episode. So glad they didn't go all out and left the word "Who" out of it...)
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Jerusalem posted:Speaking of Daleks talking, I think it's in The Dalek Invasion of Earth where the Doctor mocks the Dalek when it claims the Daleks are the masters of the Earth. It orders them hauled off, then kind of starts muttering (and ramping itself up) as it insists over and over again,"We are the masters of Earth. WE are the Masters of Earth. We ARE the Masters of Earth!" One of my favorite of those was during one of Three's Dalek episodes, where the last Dalek was screaming about "WE ARE DELAYED. NOT DEFEATED. THE DALKES CAN NOT BE DEFEATED!"
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Sep 30, 2015 00:33
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So to reiterate my point from earlier- I miss the Daleks when they were presented as characters. Since we technically have the props back, can we bring back Sec, Jast, Thay and Caan? Well we have Sec and Caan's props anyways. Just some named Daleks that the Doctor can run into now and again. Like how many of us thought Sec and Co were GOING to work until they just killed off most of them in the next appearance...
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Sep 30, 2015 00:45
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One of my favourite Dalek moments is Time Of The Doctor, when he's starting to regenerate and they panic.
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Sep 30, 2015 02:59
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Jerusalem posted:Speaking of Daleks talking, I think it's in The Dalek Invasion of Earth where the Doctor mocks the Dalek when it claims the Daleks are the masters of the Earth. It orders them hauled off, then kind of starts muttering (and ramping itself up) as it insists over and over again,"We are the masters of Earth. WE are the Masters of Earth. We ARE the Masters of Earth!" It's also a great moment in starting Hartnell's anti-authoritarianism era. It's not about everyone the Daleks have crushed to get there, the very conceit of control is inherently hilarious.  "Masters of Earth? It's pointless, you can't be the masters of matter, motherfuckers."
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I am a big fan of the way the show looked during the black and white days, as I feel it helped the shaky sets look more real than they ever did in the highly lit garishly painted late 70's and 80's, but on the other hand, sometimes the lack of any footage at all seems a boon to the show. The last episode of "The Dalek's Master plan" feels and sounds absolutely horrifying in a way that likely would not have carried over if I could have actually seen what was going on. That aside, I actually kind of dread Dalek episodes in the new Who, as they have never attained the high of the very first Dalek episode of the new series, and in all honesty, that episode had a lot of problems itself. False Edit: Same with Cybermen in all honesty,. I feel like every time this show brings back either of the old show's big bad's, it is to diminishing returns.
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2house2fly posted:One of my favourite Dalek moments is Time Of The Doctor, when he's starting to regenerate and they panic. I can't decide if I like that moment due the Daleks doing a 180 and going from  to ohshitthisisnothappeningthisisnthappeninhohfuckfuckfuckfuckfuckfuckfuckfuck, or Matt's Smith's acting in that moment. An old man suddenly getting a burst of energy in his syste, and while he really can't do what he wants, he'll do it anyway.I mean, you'd think that in their panic they'd simply level the tower with everything they've got, but that's the brilliance of the moment: they can't even do that. The Doctor shouldn't regenerate, every rule they know says the Doctor can't regenerate, but the The Doctor is regenerating and what the gently caress do we do now.
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Sep 30, 2015 06:28
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Levelling the tower would theoretically be even worse, because then they wouldn't know where is is or if they really killed him.
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Sep 30, 2015 06:36
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remusclaw posted:False Edit: Same with Cybermen in all honesty,. I feel like every time this show brings back either of the old show's big bad's, it is to diminishing returns. The Cybermen hadn't had a good TV story since the 60s anyway so this isn't really exclusive to the new series.
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Burkion posted:Boy do I have some bad news for you! I don't watch a lot of classic Doctor Who but even I know that certain details are not always consistent. So I wouldn't blame Moffat for doing the same for the new series. And yes, I had forgotten about the Dalek hivemind - and that's fine with me.
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Sep 30, 2015 09:50
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I thought Into the Dalek did a nice job of providing some much needed context to that utterly stupid "hive-mind" nonsense (an internal computer system monitoring the Daleks' thought-processes and censoring/blocking stuff in order to keep their thoughts "pure"), but it is another case of the Daleks being written very inconsistently from one appearance to the next.
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