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ChickenWing posted:Hey, are application developers allowed in this thread or is it haraam for me to come in here and start talking about my Spring middletier and how vexing our backend guys are some times. I can't seem to find a "working in software development" megathread and i pine for a sense of community. Well, we do kind of have our own whole subforum in the Cavern of Cobol 
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ChickenWing posted:Hey, are application developers allowed in this thread or is it haraam for me to come in here and start talking about my Spring middletier and how vexing our backend guys are some times. I can't seem to find a "working in software development" megathread and i pine for a sense of community. Coding Horrors thread
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Sep 29, 2015 16:46
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ChickenWing posted:Hey, are application developers allowed in this thread or is it haraam for me to come in here and start talking about my Spring middletier and how vexing our backend guys are some times. I can't seem to find a "working in software development" megathread and i pine for a sense of community. Yay programmer buddy  I moved into Network and Systems administration when I realized I didn't want to code all day every day for somebody else. Now I just code/script for myself and it's much more fun (though my boss is trying to sweet talk me into being our SharePoint developer because of this). Also once I take the next step over in my career; coding is quite useful in the security world. Also the coding horrors thread is basically this but for coding. I lurk there frequently. ChubbyThePhat fucked around with this message at 17:32 on Sep 29, 2015 |
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Sep 29, 2015 17:30
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feedmegin posted:Well, we do kind of have our own whole subforum in the Cavern of Cobol See, that seems more general "talk about programming" vs "talk about working in dev". Surprisingly (to me at least), not everything happening at work is horrifying in some way. For example, today I found out that my shitbox dev pc that I was initially given because I was a co-op and undeserving of not-hand-me-down resources is getting replaced with something that will build/deploy our application in less than double/triple the time that everyone else does. It will be incredible to not grind to a shuddering halt the instant I deign to actually do work on my work pc. Admittedly, half of the responsibility for that is probably on Eclipse.
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Sep 29, 2015 17:34
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ChickenWing posted:Admittedly, half of the responsibility for that is probably on Eclipse. Found your problem (though poo poo hardware doesn't help)
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Sep 29, 2015 17:39
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I've never understood the logic behind not spending semi-decent money to get your employees computers that don't suck. You're paying them to do a job, so give them the equipment to do said job, up to and not beyond the point to where the equipment is no longer the bottleneck. Granted, that can be hard to judge, but a situation like that - "The program I use all day long to do the bulk of my job takes a very long time to launch" - seems pretty clear-cut to me.
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Sep 29, 2015 17:43
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Seriously, especially when (if) you're paying them a decent salary. A $2k+ laptop is a small price to pay
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Sep 29, 2015 17:47
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Well admittedly I work for a bank, so there's the issues of making sure everything meshes nicely with all the corporate network shenanigans, making sure everything is one billion percent secure, making sure everything is compatible with the application we're developing, and making sure that there aren't non-standard machines for every one of the ~100 people on this floor.
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Sep 29, 2015 17:53
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Fiendish Dr. Wu posted:Seriously, especially when (if) you're paying them a decent salary. A $2k+ laptop is a small price to pay And a 1k laptop x however many employees is just that much more money for management bonuses!
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Sep 29, 2015 17:59
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I'm getting that feeling that I seem to get once a year. I don't know what to do with my career. I'm a jack of all trades sysadmin. I am an expert in nothing. I've got windows server experience, a bit of networking, some VMware, and bit of this and a bit of that. A couple of certs under my belt but nothing serious beyond a CCNA, A,+N+S+ suite, and ITIL. What do I do next? I read about people using ansible, puppet, chef, aws but I've just never had the chance to get any hands on experience with it and I haven't spent the time to pick one and start really studying up on it. I live in constant fear that my skillset will age and I'll be forced out of the workplace or back to being on helldesk. I just cant seem to pick a niche and stick with it and become an expert in it. People always say don't follow something for the money which I think is ridiculous. The only reason I work is for the money, if I had a ton of money and didn't have to work I wouldn't, not in IT at least.
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Sep 29, 2015 18:35
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BaseballPCHiker posted:I'm getting that feeling that I seem to get once a year. I don't know what to do with my career. I'm a jack of all trades sysadmin. I am an expert in nothing. I've got windows server experience, a bit of networking, some VMware, and bit of this and a bit of that. A couple of certs under my belt but nothing serious beyond a CCNA, A,+N+S+ suite, and ITIL. What do I do next? I read about people using ansible, puppet, chef, aws but I've just never had the chance to get any hands on experience with it and I haven't spent the time to pick one and start really studying up on it.
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Sep 29, 2015 18:44
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Welp, I got a call from a job I applied for yesterday. Overnight NOC position .I've got to set up an interview time with them. Not to get ahead of myself, but on the one had overnight NOC sounds boring as gently caress (I can't imagine I'd be able to get in on any projects or exciting stuff on the 12-8am shift) and would interfere with my sleep/social life something fierce. On the other hand, I could do my time there and study for my CCNA.
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Sep 29, 2015 18:49
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chocolateTHUNDER posted:Welp, I got a call from a job I applied for yesterday. Overnight NOC position .I've got to set up an interview time with them. Not to get ahead of myself, but on the one had overnight NOC sounds boring as gently caress (I can't imagine I'd be able to get in on any projects or exciting stuff on the 12-8am shift) and would interfere with my sleep/social life something fierce. On the other hand, I could do my time there and study for my CCNA. If you do it, no more than 1 year. Give yourself a deadline and get the hell out of the overnight game. And for the love of god don't do changing shifts flip flopping back and forth between day and night shifts will kill you.
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Sep 29, 2015 18:53
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Vulture Culture posted:Be really good at scripting and automating things. Learn how to work with other people's APIs. Get familiar with how cloud-native applications are developed and deployed. Everything else you're talking about can be mastered by reading documentation on the job. I'm OK with powershell but thats about it. I dont even know where to start with API's or cloud native anything. As far as automating I do have a fair bit of experience with SCCM and deployments and patching. Still it's hard to not get overwhelmed. There is so much to know that I never will and you cant be an expert in everything.
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Sep 29, 2015 18:58
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Bhodi posted:As soon as interest rates go up, all that VC money is going to slosh into other markets. It's not going to cause the end of the world, but there will be a crunch and that crunch is going to eat the ends - the less skilled, the less mobile, the less flexible, and people with plain bad luck. The market goes up, the market goes down. It's cyclic. Nothing goes up forever, and it's best to plan for the worst. It's a bear economy right now, not business as usual. Where do you think that money is going to go? Other countries with unstable currencies or less business friendly regulations? Other industries with higher capital requirements and longer development times? The "tech bubble" is situated almost entirely in Silicon Valley and there will certainly be a crunch there, but the majority of IT people don't work for startups, they work as sysadmins or internal developers or BI folks and their companies aren't going to lay them off just because DickWidgets in Santa Clara can't find any seed money. There is no company in the world that is having a meeting right now to discuss how they can use less technology. Technology jobs in general aren't going anywhere and as long as there are a lot of jobs out there they will demand a reasonable salary because they will have to in order to get decent workers. The nature of those jobs will change, but that's been the case for 30 years now.
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Sep 29, 2015 19:57
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chocolateTHUNDER posted:Welp, I got a call from a job I applied for yesterday. Overnight NOC position .I've got to set up an interview time with them. Not to get ahead of myself, but on the one had overnight NOC sounds boring as gently caress (I can't imagine I'd be able to get in on any projects or exciting stuff on the 12-8am shift) and would interfere with my sleep/social life something fierce. On the other hand, I could do my time there and study for my CCNA. There's two kinds of NOC jobs. One is boring as gently caress, do nothing but call someone when the dashboard turns red, and you are not allowed to touch or learn anything. The other is more of a very junior sysadmin role where in addition to waiting for alerts, you're allowed to help out the more senior folks with projects or even propose improvements of your own. Try to find out which you're getting into during the interview. The latter can be a pretty great learning experience and foot in the door for a sysadmin/ops career. Definitely agree with Zaepho, though. Don't do either one overnight long term unless you want to die.
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Sep 29, 2015 20:06
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Or you can be like a buddy of mine whose been working 3rd shift for 15 years and wouldnt ever give it up.
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Sep 29, 2015 20:10
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Docjowles posted:There's two kinds of NOC jobs. One is boring as gently caress, do nothing but call someone when the dashboard turns red, and you are not allowed to touch or learn anything. The other is more of a very junior sysadmin role where in addition to waiting for alerts, you're allowed to help out the more senior folks with projects or even propose improvements of your own. Try to find out which you're getting into during the interview. The latter can be a pretty great learning experience and foot in the door for a sysadmin/ops career. Yeah, I've seen people say this in this thread before. I have an interview scheduled for Friday at 3pm, so I'm going to ask all my questions there and try to find out what exactly my responsibilities would be.
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Sep 29, 2015 20:15
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GreenNight posted:Or you can be like a buddy of mine whose been working 3rd shift for 15 years and wouldnt ever give it up. He must have no friends, family, or social life.
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Sep 29, 2015 20:17
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CLAM DOWN posted:He must have no friends, family, or social life. I did find out that this would be a midnight-8am shift Monday-Friday. That's pretty cool because it would leave the weekend open for things like actually being able to see and interact with my gf.
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Sep 29, 2015 20:20
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CLAM DOWN posted:He must have no friends, family, or social life. Heh he has a wife but no kids. She also works 3rd shift a nurse. They both have Friday nights and Saturday nights off.
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Sep 29, 2015 20:22
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chocolateTHUNDER posted:I did find out that this would be a midnight-8am shift Monday-Friday. That's pretty cool because it would leave the weekend open for things like actually being able to see and interact with my gf. gently caress no man, that would ruin your weekend schedule because of your sleep pattern, going out at all would be extremely difficult, and if you tried to adjust at all to be normal on a weekend you'd be wrecked for the Monday shift. I've worked shift work, I know how brutal it is, the health detriments associated with it are well documented.
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Sep 29, 2015 20:24
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NippleFloss posted:Where do you think that money is going to go? Other countries with unstable currencies or less business friendly regulations? Other industries with higher capital requirements and longer development times? Yep. Most of the startups that will be affected aren't even at the scale where they've brought on systems engineers to re-design the infrastructure for scale. Hell, there may even be more jobs for us as these companies get swooped up for pennies and the new parent companies figure out how to integrate the products with their own.
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Sep 29, 2015 20:37
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GreenNight posted:Or you can be like a buddy of mine whose been working 3rd shift for 15 years and wouldnt ever give it up. There is a good chance he is actually dead.
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Sep 29, 2015 20:41
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So... I have two positions that I've been told to come in for an interview for. Is it finally happening? Am I clawing my way out of Helldesk? No longer working till 10pm on arsehattery? 
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Sep 29, 2015 20:43
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Woogles posted:I like to picture IT ecosystems as replicas of Thunderdome: x things enter, 1 thing leaves. Now I freely admit this isn't realistic but it helps me get through the day.
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Sep 29, 2015 23:25
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I wish there were more opportunities for learning at my place of work for the last 8+ years, or that I was actually motivated in all the years to learn things that didn't pertain to my position. Trying to make my resume look fancy but with my position it's just kinda blah :| Can i pay someone to take a blurb of what I do and transform it into flowery language :v
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Sep 29, 2015 23:57
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On the subject of programmers: My new job is at a software company and let me just say it's really cool to have a background of devs talking shop rather than a room full of people doing equally lovely, menial support tasks as I am.
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Sep 30, 2015 00:09
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Danith posted:I wish there were more opportunities for learning at my place of work for the last 8+ years, or that I was actually motivated in all the years to learn things that didn't pertain to my position. Trying to make my resume look fancy but with my position it's just kinda blah :| Can i pay someone to take a blurb of what I do and transform it into flowery language :v That's pretty much exactly what the Resume2Interviews goon in SAMart does.
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Sep 30, 2015 00:30
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Docjowles posted:That's pretty much exactly what the Resume2Interviews goon in SAMart does.
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Sep 30, 2015 00:50
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Bhodi posted:Or would, if he didn't sell his business and username wholesale to a crook who farmed the work out and scammed a bunch of people. Hahaha goons ruin literally everything
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Sep 30, 2015 01:00
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Huh, I must have missed that bit of forums drama
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Sep 30, 2015 01:01
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CloFan posted:Huh, I must have missed that bit of forums drama Be glad, it's all stupid bullshit.
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Sep 30, 2015 01:03
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Zaepho posted:If you do it, no more than 1 year. Give yourself a deadline and get the hell out of the overnight game. And for the love of god don't do changing shifts flip flopping back and forth between day and night shifts will kill you. Been on nights at a DC\NOC for 8 years. Kill me.
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Sep 30, 2015 02:54
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I realized today that after asking for training and certifications at every single one of my performance evals for nearly 3 years, the one training course I've taken was a freebie from a vendor.
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Sep 30, 2015 03:10
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Docjowles posted:There's two kinds of NOC jobs. One is boring as gently caress, do nothing but call someone when the dashboard turns red, and you are not allowed to touch or learn anything. The other is more of a very junior sysadmin role where in addition to waiting for alerts, you're allowed to help out the more senior folks with projects or even propose improvements of your own. Try to find out which you're getting into during the interview. The latter can be a pretty great learning experience and foot in the door for a sysadmin/ops career. I actually work the latter one right now. M-F 12am-10am. My last job was rotating shifts at an investment bank's help desk, so the consistent schedule is actually an improvement. When I first started, I dealt mostly with alerts and little things people would schedule to be done after hours. In only a few months, after I proved I was a smart enough dude, I've had lots of projects given to me and, yeah, even a fair amount of self-initiated improvements to the place. It's been 11 months since I started and I think I'll probably be ready to switch to days in a few months, maybe next summer. I really want to use the time to make myself more valuable and more specialized (working on CCNA, since we're a little light on Cisco/networking people) before I try and make the move, since I don't want to suddenly be getting BS tasks when I'm just one of 20 people. Anyway, yeah, it's definitely what you make of it. Feel free to ask me questions about the graveyard life.
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Barracuda Bang! posted:M-F 12am-10am. Please tell me you're getting paid like triple time for that 
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BaseballPCHiker posted:I'm OK with powershell but thats about it. I dont even know where to start with API's or cloud native anything. As far as automating I do have a fair bit of experience with SCCM and deployments and patching. Still it's hard to not get overwhelmed. There is so much to know that I never will and you cant be an expert in everything. You can be paid very well as the SCCM guy, especially if you throw in WDS/MDT image management, etc. Throw in application management and package building and that's a job in and of itself. SCCM also ties into Azure in 2012 R2+ so you can get your feet wet that way too. With your current skill set it would be pretty simple to get your MCSE and go from there.
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Rhymenoserous posted:Let me be the first to respond to this with the word LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL.  Rhymenoserous posted:Look at any goon doing a o365 install, it's still a ton of work even after it's done. People proposing that the cloud is going to do away with Sysadmins seem to think that dealing with the locally installed server is 99% of the job. It's not. It's 1%. I barely deal with that poo poo. Managing mailboxes and how users use them is 99% of the job, and the ~cloud~ doesn't offload any of that workload at all. Look at your typical IT Infrastructure, many businesses have a Windows Domain, finely crafted GPO's deployed with a nicely customized image. All your applications, databases live in virtualized servers with a bunch neat HA/FT added-on either in really cool looking server room that your manager purposely walks clients past or in colo with a VPN/MPLS to your offices. With the Cloud, how much of this is necessary? Your users don't need fat applications, hell they don't even necessarily need a domain all they know is they type contoso.portal.com into whatever web browser on any device and they're ready to work. All of the applications/database are run on whichever cloud and the redundancy/fault-tolerance is already built-in to the platform. Hardware outages, cyclical hardware upgrades and network/virtualization troubleshooting. I can't speak for all cloud providers but it even potentially it gets rid of the headaches associated with software licensing as each SaaS/IaaS instance already includes the licensing cost and while this piece is over my head IT is now a Operational Expenditure not Capital which makes management/accounting happy. And sure, the above scenario isn't going to be a fit everyone and that's when a hybrid cloud comes into play but that's still less of <$WhateverTech> that's automated away. Gucci Loafers fucked around with this message at 04:24 on Sep 30, 2015 |
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The cloud always ignores the "limited available WAN" scenario, which is far more pervasive than you think. Not every business can fund the pipe it takes to house all of their backend on the cloud, especially ones that have many segregated locations. That's why Cisco UCS/ISR is taking off like wildfire and is (allegedly) a best seller; they're an on-prem unit that combines both the server and router into a single box. Some stuff, like Fax, has no real excuse to exist physically at a location. Get that poo poo in the cloud ASAP. Other stuff is obviously going to be much more painful, especially for medium sized businesses that have to work with lovely vendors and support applications that don't work well outside of the local LAN. It sounds ridiculous, but that's still a problem in 2015. Especially in the financial sector.
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