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Captain_Maclaine posted:I forget exactly what caused it to occur, but I recall there being some minor flap a few years ago nationally when some congressman objected to there being some sort of recognition for Native Americans or something similar as it would "dishonor the memory of General Custer," to paraphrase only slightly. Probably had something to do with South Dakota changing Columbus Day to Native American Day.
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Georgia is about to put a woman to death in 2 hours, the first woman to be executed in that state in 70 years.
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Sep 29, 2015 21:55
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DemeaninDemon posted:If they didn't character assassinate a 14yr old then they might have to admit they were wrong. Conservatives cannot be wrong only wronged. Remember when they went after the kid on SCHiP back in 2007? Good times Not that there is a lot of moral difference between those and currently going after that 13 year old on the Cruz campaign. That he's in a campaign is the argument that it's different but no, he's 13. Leave him be
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Why does Oklahoma have such a hard on for advertising that they were the literal gulag of North America for many decades? We get it, you imprisoned native people there, why are you proud of that?
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Sep 29, 2015 22:00
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seiferguy posted:Georgia is about to put a woman to death in 2 hours, the first woman to be executed in that state in 70 years. This is after the Pope specifically requested that they not do so. Not that I think the Pope should have any political influence in the US, but still something to keep in mind.
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Sep 29, 2015 22:02
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pathetic little tramp posted:Yup. Some Fox News level of graph work here.
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Radbot posted:Why does Oklahoma have such a hard on for advertising that they were the literal gulag of North America for many decades? We get it, you imprisoned native people there, why are you proud of that? It's an easy way to pretend the state is diverse. In other Oklahoma news, the execution of Richard Glossip is scheduled for tomorrow. He's the guy who got a stay of execution two weeks ago to present new evidence in his case but the state court said gently caress it. Btw he's probably innocent.
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pathetic little tramp posted:Yup. This is what they are threatening to shut down the government over.
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NoEyedSquareGuy posted:This is after the Pope specifically requested that they not do so. Not that I think the Pope should have any political influence in the US, but still something to keep in mind. Looks like we found someone who hates JFK.
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Sep 29, 2015 22:05
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That PP lady had to deal with some Military Grade Super Enriched Bullshit.
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GreyjoyBastard posted:Looks like we found someone who hates JFK. I just feel like a US president shouldn't have a separate allegiance to the Vatican is all.
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Sep 29, 2015 22:08
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DemeaninDemon posted:Some Fox News level of graph work here. Hahaha, I only glanced at it the first time, but jesus loving christ, at least Fox News attempts to make their bullshit graphs more plausible at a glance.
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Sep 29, 2015 22:09
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pathetic little tramp posted:Yup. Since the context was about Planned Parenthood offering fewer services and more abortions, Vox extended the chart a little more to completely disprove the point. 
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Sep 29, 2015 22:09
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Anyone know offhand why the cancer screenings have declined since the mid 2000s? Quick google while at work just links to a bunch of stories about the organization being forced out of a screening program in Texas, but info would be helpful to answer nonsense that our various families may send. edit after the above post - Interesting stuff all around. I guess I'd expect fewer contraceptive services would result in higher STD/I tests.
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Sep 29, 2015 22:10
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All seeing these charts is going to do is make me even madder when the lies are cited by the eventual candidate in every single presidential debate.
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C'mon now, plotting two sets of data on top of each other with dishonestly scaled axes is, like, business.txtFifteen of Many posted:Anyone know offhand why the cancer screenings have declined since the mid 2000s? Quick google while at work just links to a bunch of stories about the organization being forced out of a screening program in Texas, but info would be helpful to answer nonsense that our various families may send. I'm guessing Medicaid expansion and PPACA removed the need of many people to rely on PP.
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The best thing about all of this is that they REALLY think that this Planned Parenthood stuff is a winning issue for them...
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Sep 29, 2015 22:11
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ComradeCosmobot posted:Since the context was about Planned Parenthood offering fewer services and more abortions, Vox extended the chart a little more to completely disprove the point. it's unfortunate that cancer screening and contraception services have fallen 
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BetterToRuleInHell posted:it's unfortunate that cancer screening and contraception services have fallen Or could it be that ACA requires that health insurance cover those two items and thus some women who used PP for those services are now able to afford those same services at their PCP. I don't have the data, but I bet someone out there does.
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Sep 29, 2015 22:13
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Trabisnikof posted:Or could it be that ACA requires that health insurance cover those two items and thus some women who used PP for those services are now able to afford those same services at their PCP. Was a thought I had but that trend looks to have started a few years prior to ACA kicking in. VVV 
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Gravel Gravy posted:Was a thought I had but that trend looks to have started a few years prior to ACA kicking in. There's only two points in the trend so it could be either.
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Sep 29, 2015 22:14
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Planned Parenthood service 7 year growth for each service area works out to 48% growth in STI/STD, 10% decline in contraception, 53% decline in cancer screening services, and a mere 13% growth in abortions.
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The ACA wouldn't have had much of an effect on since those are the numbers from 2013.
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Sep 29, 2015 22:18
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Also, the recommendation for cervical cancer screening (pap smears) used to be every year, and now it's more like 3-5 years, so that cuts down on the number of screenings done by anyone, not just PP.
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Sep 29, 2015 22:19
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Jethro posted:Also, the recommendation for cervical cancer screening (pap smears) used to be every year, and now it's more like 3-5 years, so that cuts down on the number of screenings done by anyone, not just PP. So you're saying "ABORTIONS, DEFUND PP!!!" ?
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Sep 29, 2015 22:22
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Spite posted:The graphic is misleading as gently caress anyway, since the Cancer screening goes from like 2 million to 900k and the abortions go from 290k to 325k I would guess the rise in abortion services from PP has something to do with successful efforts to harass / legislate other abortion providers out of existence. PP will never get out of the abortion game so they become a provider of last / only resort and wind up performing some of the procedures other providers would have in the past. I don't have hard numbers, on my phone. I would guess Guttmacher has something on that, or will soon now that it's A Thing. I realize it's baked in now, but I feel like offering a futile objection to the strategy of emphasizing cancer / contraception over abortion as a rhetorical strategy. It cedes the issue at the outset. The only answer to this poo poo should be gently caress you abortions a right. I can understand the appeal of making conservatives oppose cancer screening, but it cuts way too close to apologizing for being an abortion provider. "I've got you now, Planned Parenthood, I found out you perform *abortions*!" should be a real weak line of attack. It's like every single Obama speech ever where he opens with "now don't get me wrong" and proceeds to essentially concede the core republican line of argument.
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pathetic little tramp posted:Yup. This is like Ace Attorney levels of easily disproved blatant contradiction.  This graph doesn't use a consistent Y-Axis! Here's the real graph!
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Alfred P. Pseudonym posted:Kind of a local story, but earlier this month, Anadarko, Oklahoma became the first city in the state to make Indigenous Peoples Day an official holiday. It also may pass in Oklahoma City soon. It's nice to see a decent thing happen in this state for once. Just failed to pass the OKC Council, for what it's worth.  edit: VVVV the best part is that OKC doesn't even officially recognize Columbus Day, so the shits are voting against it for literally no defensible reason. Kro-Bar fucked around with this message at 22:37 on Sep 29, 2015 |
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Kro-Bar posted:Just failed to pass the OKC Council, for what it's worth. When's White Peoples' Day huh??? HUH?????
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ComradeCosmobot posted:Since the context was about Planned Parenthood offering fewer services and more abortions, Vox extended the chart a little more to completely disprove the point. Factor in inflation and the abortion number gets even flatter, and maybe even trends downward a bit.
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Sep 29, 2015 22:40
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Alfred P. Pseudonym posted:It's an easy way to pretend the state is diverse. To make it worse: apparently the only evidence for his conviction is the claims of the guy who actually murdered the person whom this guy is being executed for.
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Litany Unheard posted:At least until they come back in a hundred years piloting Gundams with Confederate flags painted on the side. Woah now, making them go to space would let those fuckers become New types. gently caress that, none of them deserve to or even believe in evolution. Let them kill each other on earth whilst everyone else can explore the universe. pathetic little tramp posted:http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2015/09/29/444528541/6-clips-of-audio-you-should-hear-from-the-planned-parenthood-hearing They have no idea what the gently caress they're even arguing about. They are literally the party of goddamn ignorance. 
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I had an argument with my dad the other day about Glossip. He refused to believe that there was no physical evidence tying Glossip to the crime; that the only "evidence" against him was the testimony of a confessed murderer. Like, literally refused to believe it - he just got visibly angry and then tried to change the topic. Cognitive dissonance is a hell of a drug.
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Evil Fluffy posted:To make it worse: apparently the only evidence for his conviction is the claims of the guy who actually murdered the person whom this guy is being executed for. Not just that, they gave that guy life in prison instead of the death penalty as a deal for implicating Glossip. The Intercept has done a lot of reporting on this case specifically, their most recent one was posted today.
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Jethro posted:Also, the recommendation for cervical cancer screening (pap smears) used to be every year, and now it's more like 3-5 years, so that cuts down on the number of screenings done by anyone, not just PP. Yeah, professions are starting to scale back on how often someone who doesn't have a history cancer should check for cancer. Or as helpfully illustrated by Natural News:  Yes, they don't see the irony in complaining that looking for cancer makes you more likely to find cancer.
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Fifteen of Many posted:Anyone know offhand why the cancer screenings have declined since the mid 2000s? Quick google while at work just links to a bunch of stories about the organization being forced out of a screening program in Texas, but info would be helpful to answer nonsense that our various families may send. The US Preventative Services Task Force has reduced the recommended frequency of Pap smears and breast exams in 2009 and 2010 respectively.
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pathetic little tramp posted:http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2015/09/29/444528541/6-clips-of-audio-you-should-hear-from-the-planned-parenthood-hearing Holy poo poo, this is infuriating. I don't know whether he's willfully ignoring what she's saying or if he honestly doesn't understand her answer, and I don't even know which would be worse.
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Paradoxish posted:Holy poo poo, this is infuriating. I don't know whether he's willfully ignoring what she's saying or if he honestly doesn't understand her answer, and I don't even know which would be worse. This whole thing is a sham hearing to let the right burnish their pro life cred. He's just trying to get kudos in his state's antiabortion organization's newsletter. His questioning is without a doubt following to the letter a consultant's strategy.
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