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Goon Danton
May 24, 2012

Don't forget to show my shitposts to the people. They're well worth seeing.

darthbob88 posted:

And then there's the other side where these aren't quite reductive enough. OK, so I'm a good libertarian who wants to maximize social and economic freedom. Should I vote for the Democrats, who offer social freedom at the cost of economic liberty, or for the Republicans, who'd ban all the fun stuff but will let me own slaves? Which way do I compromise, O Chart?

Also on the "libertarian quizzes and charts are too reductive", does "economic freedom" include any rights for labor or consumers? Right to organize, right to freely enter and leave the market without having to worry about feeding yourself, right to some guarantee of quality, ee-tee-cee? Or is it just "down with government regulations"?

Economic Freedom always, always reduces down to "who has the fewest regulations on corporate behavior." As for the question of "which way do I compromise," the answer is the same: corporate economic freedom is more important than minor wedge issues like "women should be allowed to vote" or "maybe the police should stop murdering black people."

The philosophy of unlimited personal freedom could not give less of a gently caress about your subsistence wages.

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borkencode
Nov 10, 2004

Hulk Krogan posted:

Every time I've seen libertarians talk about economic freedom, it eventually comes out that they're talking about the Freedom Index that the Heritage foundation came up with. As I recall from the one time I bothered reading the methodology for that, their measures of labor freedom had a lot more to do with ease of starting a business and firing employees than it did with anything benefiting the actual laborers.

Every libertarian would be a captain of industry if they weren't being held back by government regulations.

Hulk Krogan
Mar 25, 2005



You see, if the boss wasn't burdened with crushing regulation and the threat of statist violence, the business would be infinitely more profitable and obviously he would pay you more.

Keeshhound
Jan 14, 2010

Mad Duck Swagger

Weedlord Bonerhitler is the hero we all deserve. :allears:

ManlyGrunting
May 29, 2014

I think my aunt is starting to go off the deep end, she also linked the Branco political cartoon with the Iranian claiming that a nuke was a clock a few days ago. She was so loving cool with me coming out as bisexual too. :sigh:

e: Hell she also linked a picture with a motherfucking quote from Vladimir "Hi I am like ten minutes away from being a fullblow fascist" Putin talking about how muslim immigrants and Sharia law would have to adapt to their own country (I mean why would a war refugee want to have comfort in being reminded of home?), as well as one that praised Canada (which I hail from) for cutting all ties with Iran overnight with a "if only our country would do the same" comment. 99% of the time its cutsey macros or recipies or my cousins and then every so often this bullshit leaks out and it makes my blood boil because I know she's a good person and would probably not believe this poo poo had her parents not been so incredibly batshit.

ManlyGrunting fucked around with this message at 00:35 on Sep 30, 2015

TerminalSaint
Apr 21, 2007


Where must we go...

we who wander this Wasteland in search of our better selves?
I guess we're just ignoring the ~30 Americans who were rescued from Benghazi in a matter of hours?

Trilas
Sep 16, 2004

ManlyGrunting posted:


I think my aunt is starting to go off the deep end, she also linked the Branco political cartoon with the Iranian claiming that a nuke was a clock a few days ago. :sigh:

What's up, aunt going crazy buddy? :sigh::hf::smith:

PoizenJam
Dec 2, 2006

Damn!!!
It's PoizenJam!!!

Someone doesn't understand the distinction between biological 'life' and the legal 'right to life'.

Gin and Juche
Apr 3, 2008

The Highest Judge of Paradise
Shiki Eiki
YAMAXANADU

Trilas posted:

What's up, aunt going crazy buddy? :sigh::hf::smith:


Considering he has some shaky ideas of how the human immune system works I am not sure I'd trust him in issues far removed from brain surgery.

Duke Igthorn
Oct 11, 2012

by FactsAreUseless
*brain surgeon says something they like*
"Oh man why aren't we listening to this obvious genius???"
*brain surgeon says something they don't like*
"Pfffft, it's not like he's a rocket scientist or anything."
*97% of all climatologists say one thing*
"If they can't agree how can it be real?"

Thump!
Nov 25, 2007

Look, fat, here's the fact, Kulak!



Duke Igthorn posted:

*brain surgeon says something they like*
"Oh man why aren't we listening to this obvious genius???"
*brain surgeon says something they don't like*
"Pfffft, it's not like he's a rocket scientist or anything."
*97% of all climatologists say one thing*
"If they can't agree how can it be real?"

Actually I think Herman Cain would probably agree with Carson.

burnishedfume
Mar 8, 2011

You really are a louse...
If Ben Carson is so smart that we need to listen to his opinion on Muslims, auntie better be ready to bust out the hammers and sickles.

Mister Bates
Aug 4, 2010

DrProsek posted:

If Ben Carson is so smart that we need to listen to his opinion on Muslims, auntie better be ready to bust out the hammers and sickles.



Here's the article that's from, which he published in Monthly Review magazine in 1949: http://monthlyreview.org/2009/05/01/why-socialism/

Clochette
Aug 12, 2013

A few neighbors and relatives of mine have been sharing image from the Britain First page. We're from New Jersey.



I'm not convinced they didn't just find a picture of some swarthy guys on vacation and a picture of a random homeless guy who isn't even a veteran.

De Nomolos
Jan 17, 2007

TV rots your brain like it's crack cocaine

Clochette posted:

A few neighbors and relatives of mine have been sharing image from the Britain First page. We're from New Jersey.



I'm not convinced they didn't just find a picture of some swarthy guys on vacation and a picture of a random homeless guy who isn't even a veteran.

That's weird, because I have a cousin from Connecticut who shares stuff like this from Britain First as well.

He is supporting Carson as well.

VideoTapir
Oct 18, 2005

He'll tire eventually.

seiferguy posted:

Someone posted some angry rant about the pope having the audacity to think illegal immigrants are people too on youngcons. I clicked the link and was greeted with this:



What's the URL? I want to enter that with one of my spamcatcher accounts and give the certificate to a homeless person; ideally a gay one.

Thump!
Nov 25, 2007

Look, fat, here's the fact, Kulak!



Clochette posted:

A few neighbors and relatives of mine have been sharing image from the Britain First page. We're from New Jersey.



I'm not convinced they didn't just find a picture of some swarthy guys on vacation and a picture of a random homeless guy who isn't even a veteran.

We really need a counter image of some white folk leaving a Hilton and a brown homeless man with the same exact text.

Just to see how well that would take off :allears:

smilingfish
Sep 18, 2012

fuck you i am smart

VideoTapir posted:

What's the URL? I want to enter that with one of my spamcatcher accounts and give the certificate to a homeless person; ideally a gay one.

Same here. Finally the domain I bought at penispenispenis.lol is good for something.

SalTheBard
Jan 26, 2005

I forgot to post my food for USPOL Thanksgiving but that's okay too!

Fallen Rib

Clochette posted:

A few neighbors and relatives of mine have been sharing image from the Britain First page. We're from New Jersey.



I'm not convinced they didn't just find a picture of some swarthy guys on vacation and a picture of a random homeless guy who isn't even a veteran.

You should just go ahead and let them know that Britain First is literally a White Supremacist group

Gin and Juche
Apr 3, 2008

The Highest Judge of Paradise
Shiki Eiki
YAMAXANADU

Clochette posted:

A few neighbors and relatives of mine have been sharing image from the Britain First page. We're from New Jersey.



I'm not convinced they didn't just find a picture of some swarthy guys on vacation and a picture of a random homeless guy who isn't even a veteran.

He's wearing an olive drab jacket though so he must be a veteran.

Mellow Seas
Oct 9, 2012
Probation
Can't post for 10 years!
"Homeless veterans" is the ultimate concern troll. The only time they're "homeless veterans" is when they're being used to argue that somebody else shouldn't get something. In isolation they're just homeless garbage who need to get sober and get a job.

(Maybe it's different in the UK since their nationalists seem to be pro-bennies[as long as you're English] but people use the same argument here)

Armyman25
Sep 6, 2005
The black lives matter folks are turning themselves into a forwarded email, they're planning on blocking the last mile of the Twin Cities Marathon.

Defenestration
Aug 10, 2006

"It wasn't my fault that my first unconscious thought turned out to be-"
"Jesus, kid, what?"
"That something smelled delicious!"


Grimey Drawer

Armyman25 posted:

The black lives matter folks are turning themselves into a forwarded email, they're planning on blocking the last mile of the Twin Cities Marathon.
I see you reaching quite a bit but yet not grasping the point

Dr. Arbitrary
Mar 15, 2006

Bleak Gremlin

Clochette posted:

A few neighbors and relatives of mine have been sharing image from the Britain First page. We're from New Jersey.



I'm not convinced they didn't just find a picture of some swarthy guys on vacation and a picture of a random homeless guy who isn't even a veteran.

Man, we were just about to put up all our homeless veterans into nice luxury hotels but then this refugee thing came up and now we've got to cancel. We'll never get around to it now.

So close.

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

The blue glow is a feature, not a bug


Pillbug

Clochette posted:

A few neighbors and relatives of mine have been sharing image from the Britain First page. We're from New Jersey.



I'm not convinced they didn't just find a picture of some swarthy guys on vacation and a picture of a random homeless guy who isn't even a veteran.

Man, if only the VA wasn't getting massive funding cuts left and right by the GOP.

Seraphic Neoman
Jul 19, 2011


The hotel thing is total bullshit. It's just yet another meme in a series of these:

Vice posted:

Last month, after the number of refugees trying to reach Britain from Calais  rose sharply, a bunch of reports surfaced in the media about reception centres becoming full and refugees that had made it over temporarily staying in British hotels. The thought of asylum seekers staying in two star B&Bs in Wigan was too much to handle for some racists who believe people fleeing Syria and Eritrea should be punished for the government's poor track record on homeless veterans. A few weeks ago one far-right group called the Pie and Mash Squad — a bunch of football hooligans linked to the EDL – decided to take action by encouraging its Facebook followers to leave fake reviews on TripAdvisor slandering the refugees and criticising the hotels for having them.

Seraphic Neoman fucked around with this message at 03:48 on Sep 30, 2015

cunny mcalister
Mar 21, 2004
Somehow less than meets the eye.

Armyman25 posted:

The black lives matter folks are turning themselves into a forwarded email, they're planning on blocking the last mile of the Twin Cities Marathon.

I also hate 'selfish' events that mildly inconvenience me; kudos for messing with a marathon.

My Face When
Nov 28, 2012

Hide your healthcare.
Hide your wife.

https://www.facebook.com/FoxBusiness/videos/10153616772420238/?pnref=story

This was posted by my mother. I'm sad now.

Armyman25
Sep 6, 2005

cunny mcalister posted:

I also hate 'selfish' events that mildly inconvenience me; kudos for messing with a marathon.

Goon hates exercise, news at 11.

VitalSigns
Sep 3, 2011

Running tracks exist, but when white yuppies want to block off a bunch of streets anyway for a vanity run and gently caress up traffic great. But if a black person protests literal murder in the street well that's an attack on decent society and American apple pie.

cunny mcalister
Mar 21, 2004
Somehow less than meets the eye.

Armyman25 posted:

Goon hates exercise, news at 11.

I feel the same way about funeral processions; but I guess I hate death, so your logic holds up.

AShamefulDisplay
Jun 30, 2013

VitalSigns posted:

Running tracks exist, but when white yuppies want to block off a bunch of streets anyway for a vanity run and gently caress up traffic great. But if a black person protests literal murder in the street well that's an attack on decent society and American apple pie.

#WhiteRunsMatter

Quorum
Sep 24, 2014

REMIND ME AGAIN HOW THE LITTLE HORSE-SHAPED ONES MOVE?
Wait I thought marathons were good and constructive civic activities that generally contribute to exercise and usually some kind of nice charity? I mean, I get the "no such thing as bad publicity" thing but I think if anyone knows how wrong that is, it'd be the BLM folks. And is this BLM or one of the infinite sub-splinters, because this is a generally leftist sort of movement we're talking about and there can never be just one.

CharlestheHammer
Jun 26, 2011

YOU SAY MY POSTS ARE THE RAVINGS OF THE DUMBEST PERSON ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH BUT YOU YOURSELF ARE READING THEM. CURIOUS!
They are but generally when you protest the event itself isn't important just that you are making trouble in a meaningful manner that forces people to pay attention. The run was probably the closest event to meet that criteria.

The Insect Court
Nov 22, 2012

by FactsAreUseless

VitalSigns posted:

Running tracks exist, but when white yuppies want to block off a bunch of streets anyway for a vanity run and gently caress up traffic great. But if a black person protests literal murder in the street well that's an attack on decent society and American apple pie.

Thanks for mansplaining your first world problems to us. After all, it's not like people of East African descent often compete in marathons, you shouldn't have to worry about your car getting caught in traffic. But you're right, if they want to run they can just go down to the country club and use the track there.

Your privilege is showing :mad:

VideoTapir
Oct 18, 2005

He'll tire eventually.

Colonial exploitation: totally not a legitimate grievance.

If you ever need an exhibit A for "private property is violence" here you go.

Mr Darcy
Feb 8, 2006

VitalSigns posted:

Running tracks exist, but when white yuppies want to block off a bunch of streets anyway for a vanity run and gently caress up traffic great. But if a black person protests literal murder in the street well that's an attack on decent society and American apple pie.

So when 26,000 people turn up to do a charity marathon you think they should pop down the local 400m running track instead?

I'm not sure you could fit 26,000 people on an 8 lane track, and there are only so many people who'd be willing to do the 105-ish laps needed for a 26.2 mile race.

VideoTapir
Oct 18, 2005

He'll tire eventually.
How does running benefit a charity exactly?

TGLT
Aug 14, 2009

Clochette posted:

A few neighbors and relatives of mine have been sharing image from the Britain First page. We're from New Jersey.



I'm not convinced they didn't just find a picture of some swarthy guys on vacation and a picture of a random homeless guy who isn't even a veteran.

The earliest I can find that image is from last year and it's a story backed up by The BBC so, I mean yeah. They're refugees and in a hotel. For like, two weeks last year while the UK figured out what to do with them.

The other image is, as far as I can tell, just a stock image of a homeless guy. But I mean the Daily Mail used it once when talking about servicemen, so maybe that's where they got the misconception?

At any rate gently caress 'em.

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KiteAuraan
Aug 5, 2014

JER GEDDA FERDA RADDA ARA!


VideoTapir posted:

How does running benefit a charity exactly?

Usually it means the a portion of the entry fee goes to a charity of some form or another.

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