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Aunt Beth: Feb 24, 2006; Baby, you're ready!; Grimey Drawer

Tab8715 posted:

Seconding times a thousand and it's one of big reason why the AS/400 hasn't died. A TN5250 emulator does wonders even in TYOOL2015. It might not be pretty but it's just as functional as a webapp and a hell of lot faster especially once you've got a hang of the function keys.

Also POWER hardware is bone reliable.

But is is almost magical to see a really good iSeries admin or operator just hurtle through screens without looking until suddenly they're done.

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# ? May 11, 2024 23:25

Vulture Culture: Jul 14, 2003; I was never enjoying it. I only eat it for the nutrients.

NippleFloss posted:

Why do you think this? Why do you think that the cloud is a good fit for every application?

I work with a lot of customers in different verticals and movement towards hyperscalars is really sporadic in my experience. Some do test/dev there, or use it for backup/archive, but everyone is still buying hardware and staffing internally too. That goes for the multinational banks and the 50 person non-profits.

The cloud isn't a good fit for every application, but the applications that are a good fit for the cloud will tend to deliver less friction and better cost savings versus their on-premises counterparts and the FTEs to maintain them. Businesses know this, which is why platforms like Office 365 are gaining so much traction. You're not going to see a ton of enterprises making an executive decision to move everything to the cloud, but you are going to see your core applications replaced one by one with hosted solutions until there's nothing left.

# ? Oct 1, 2015 06:34

YOLOsubmarine: Oct 19, 2004; When asked which Pokemon he evolved into, Kamara pauses.

"Motherfucking, what's that big dragon shit? That orange motherfucker. Charizard."

Vulture Culture posted:

The cloud isn't a good fit for every application, but the applications that are a good fit for the cloud will tend to deliver less friction and better cost savings versus their on-premises counterparts and the FTEs to maintain them. Businesses know this, which is why platforms like Office 365 are gaining so much traction. You're not going to see a ton of enterprises making an executive decision to move everything to the cloud, but you are going to see your core applications replaced one by one with hosted solutions until there's nothing left.

This is true, but those applications also tend to be low hanging fruit and you can't necessarily generalize from there to the order processing systems or inventory management or whatever random homegrown app all moving to the cloud in short order.

There's also lot of organizational inertia around movement off-prem for core services. We have customers that will begrudgingly move email (now that a decade plus of persnal webmail has softened them up) but keep sharepoint and core directory services on prem. They would never even think of running their databases in Azure. They're buying brand new hardware stacks with five years of maintenance and no long term plans to do anything differently.

I'm sure things will look very different twenty years from now, but I don't really buy that the cloud is going to put sysadmins out of work. They're just going to be doing different things than they were in the past, but that's par for the course. Companies will still need IT professionals and so will the SaaS providers. The crux is just to stay current and keep learning, the cloud isn't going to swallow millions of jobs overnight.

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Proteus Jones: Feb 28, 2013

Dick Trauma posted:

I'm here after hours to swap out the firewall. The Fortigate 90D was losing its mind and after a few weeks of working with Fortinet they said it was a bug in their firmware that was making the IPS engine max out the CPU and it wasn't going to be fixed any time soon. In the end they elected to give me a 92D. Already programmed it, just need to make the switch.

Only two people still here so I can turn my music up.

I have a love/hate relationship with them. CLI is a little strange, but super easy to configure. When they work, they are awesome, but when they don't...

We have a bunch of 60C HA clusters for Guest internet access at something like 1100 locations. They tried the same thing with us. In our case it was logging Fortiguard events locally, (even though local logging was turned off) and killing the flash storage.

One of our senior management told them "you know, we have Juniper begging us to use their SRX boxes", and next thing their engineering team knew, they were rolling us custom firmware (that got rolled into the next general release patch). This was a few years ago, and we haven't had any issues with them since.

Unfortunately that behavior of "we'll get to it when we get to it" is not uncommon, we've had issues with HP switches as well when they shipped thousands of poorly sourced GBICs that tested fine, but ended up failing over time at an alarming rate. Trying to get them to root-cause and remediate the issue was like pulling teeth. We actually did start using Juniper for new locations on that one because it was such a bad experience.

Proteus Jones fucked around with this message at 08:56 on Oct 1, 2015

# ? Oct 1, 2015 08:50

Sprechensiesexy: Dec 26, 2010; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

I wonder what the next fad after the cloud is gonna be :allears:

The cloud certainly has it uses but I get skeptical when a thing is being over hyped.

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Sprechensiesexy posted:

I wonder what the next fad after my butt is gonna be

My butt certainly has it uses but I get skeptical when a thing is being over hyped.

Probably something to do with machine learning.

# ? Oct 1, 2015 09:09

Dick Trauma: Nov 30, 2007; God damn it, you've got to be kind.

Sprechensiesexy posted:

I wonder what the next fad after the cloud is gonna be

The Ground.

Had enough of The Cloud? Put all your data in The Ground!

Better hurry up and get your cert in Cloud-to-Ground! :pseudo:

# ? Oct 1, 2015 14:24

Bigass Moth: Mar 6, 2004; I joined the #RXT REVOLUTION.

he knows...

There is a support engineer at meraki named Dominique Wilkins. I hope he took up a second career after the nba and it's not just a coincidence.

# ? Oct 1, 2015 14:30

evol262: Nov 30, 2010; #!/usr/bin/perl

Segmentation Fault posted:

Probably something to do with machine learning.

Big data would have done that. Machine learning is hard, which makes it a bad fad.

Think of it this way:

The math problems you had as a kid that were like "a banana costs 5c and 10 calories, an apple is 10c and 40 calories, a candy bar is 25c and 100 calories. You have $2.65. What's the most amount of calories you can get?"

It's a variation of the knapsack problem, which is NP-complete. It's also a basic machine learning problem. Go Google "knapsack genetic algorithm $language_you_know", then tell me machine learning is easy enough to be a fad.

# ? Oct 1, 2015 14:44

Vulture Culture: Jul 14, 2003; I was never enjoying it. I only eat it for the nutrients.

NippleFloss posted:

This is true, but those applications also tend to be low hanging fruit and you can't necessarily generalize from there to the order processing systems or inventory management or whatever random homegrown app all moving to the cloud in short order.

There's also lot of organizational inertia around movement off-prem for core services. We have customers that will begrudgingly move email (now that a decade plus of persnal webmail has softened them up) but keep sharepoint and core directory services on prem. They would never even think of running their databases in Azure. They're buying brand new hardware stacks with five years of maintenance and no long term plans to do anything differently.

I'm sure things will look very different twenty years from now, but I don't really buy that the cloud is going to put sysadmins out of work. They're just going to be doing different things than they were in the past, but that's par for the course. Companies will still need IT professionals and so will the SaaS providers. The crux is just to stay current and keep learning, the cloud isn't going to swallow millions of jobs overnight.

I agree. Anything that needs an insane degree of customization or hacky integration will likely continue to be on-premises, rather than hosted software. SharePoint is a great example of this. So are most ERP systems. Specialists will continue to have opportunities to specialize, as they always have. The generalists will get hurt.

Sure, there are lots of companies that are continuing to buy their own hardware stacks and won't look at SaaS. It's a near-certainty that those companies have already invested a ton into the construction of on-premises datacenters and the expertise to run them, and the cost savings and economics clearly lean differently for them. But when they outgrow that datacenter, the obvious decision may not be to build a bigger datacenter. When that company is acquired, the obvious decision may not be to consolidate both companies' physical datacenter assets together.

Yes, there will continue to be some number of sysadmins as we understand the role today. Economies of scale are going to dramatically change the way that system administrators manage systems. Now instead of having an engineer at every organization for their five Exchange servers, you have one engineer at Microsoft per 500 servers dedicated to mail on Office 365. You can do this because the applications and their configurations are standardized. Commoditization/standardization begets industrial-scale automation, which removes the amount of effort required to produce or operate a thing; this is precisely why the cloud is able to deliver cost savings. More and more of the expertise rests within the product's development team, rather than the people who have been trained to operate it. This has trickle-down effects elsewhere in the industry: while the helpdesk is never going to be eliminated from the e-mail equation, some of the technical trainers on the product probably will be.

Lots of native client-server applications don't even have their own backends. Look at stuff like Firebase, Parse, and Stormpath.

Humans are always going to be the integration points between all these hosted systems, and that's where I see the role moving in a decade. Part systems engineer, part integration-oriented coder/scripter, part business analyst. Larger organizations will need centers of excellence with people who really understand OS internals, but those are largely becoming less relevant too.

The company I work for has a pretty tremendous need for physical servers, because we have some crazy requirements. (We let someone else deal with hosting them.) But what isn't worth it to us is when one of our project schedules is thrown into jeopardy because a key engineering resource had to devote two days to fixing the logging or metrics infrastructure instead of orienting himself towards the thing the entire rest of the business is working on. We outsourced that poo poo in a heartbeat because it has nothing to do with our business. That's the low-hanging fruit for SaaS, and every business runs things that are not relevant to the core mission of the business.

Vulture Culture fucked around with this message at 15:28 on Oct 1, 2015

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Docjowles: Apr 9, 2009

Bigass Moth posted:

There is a support engineer at meraki named Dominique Wilkins. I hope he took up a second career after the nba and it's not just a coincidence.

My best LinkedIn recruiter spams have been from Jason Alexander and John Conner (who even had set the Terminator as his profile pic :3:

)

# ? Oct 1, 2015 15:29

kensei: Dec 27, 2007; He has come home, where he belongs. The Ancient Mariner returns to lead his first team to glory, forever and ever. Amen!

A guy hit me and a couple coworkers on LinkedIn last night, his last name is Butt and he's from India. I declined.

# ? Oct 1, 2015 16:04

Fiendish Dr. Wu: Nov 11, 2010; You done fucked up now!

I actually got contacted by a recruiter for LinkedIn. As in, LinkedIn's internal recruiters for a position to work for LinkedIn.

# ? Oct 1, 2015 16:41

Roargasm: Oct 21, 2010; Hate to sound sleazy
But tease me
I don't want it if it's that easy

Dr. Arbitrary posted:

New DevOps cert that we'll all have to get:

http://devopsleague.com/

If anyone didn't see our favorite devops badboy on HLN yesterday:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3r51QI4Ctw

# ? Oct 1, 2015 17:23

ChubbyThePhat: Dec 22, 2006; Who nico nico needs anyone else

Walked posted:

I posted this question as an edit to a post some time ago (so it was likely glossed over).

I'm going from a senior IT administrator role to a technical team lead / management position (moving our security resource under me, as well as hiring a new resource, possibly a second - one offer already out).

My only other experience in a leadership role is within a position where I had very little control over managing my team outside of giving them technical guidance, whereas where I'm at here I have a degree of budgetary, project planning, training, etc autonomy.

:b]So:[/b] Does anyone have recommended reading on managing small teams and doing so effectively (and managing the gap between "getting poo poo done" and "keeping people happy and pleasant")? I've been pretty much a singular role for the last 4 years with a ton of institutional knowledge; so since this came to be I've been centralizing all my notes and documentation, and I have my own ideas - but I'd also like to do the requisite reading up front as well.

Overnight response, as well as Vulture Culture already hit on my #1 recommendation. I also found Make A Difference: In the lives of those you love, live with, and lead by Dr. Larry Little to be useful in knowing how to deal with certain types of people. I usually don't look for management positions but inevitably I find myself in them sometimes due to technical ability and experience with particular project work.

# ? Oct 1, 2015 17:31

GnarlyCharlie4u: Sep 23, 2007; I have an unhealthy obsession with motorcycles.

Proof

Dick Trauma posted:

The Ground.

Had enough of The Cloud? Put all your data in The Ground!

Better hurry up and get your cert in Cloud-to-Ground!

This is actually brilliant.

Introducing: Cloud to Ground LIGHTNING

IMPROVE SPEEDS UP TO 10X OVER YOUR CURRENT CLOUD APPLIANCE. _{**_{assuming 10G LAN}}

# ? Oct 1, 2015 18:26

Dick Trauma: Nov 30, 2007; God damn it, you've got to be kind.

I'm telling you all The Ground� is where it's at!

# ? Oct 1, 2015 18:40

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evol262 posted:

Big data would have done that. Machine learning is hard, which makes it a bad fad.

Think of it this way:

The math problems you had as a kid that were like "a banana costs 5c and 10 calories, an apple is 10c and 40 calories, a candy bar is 25c and 100 calories. You have $2.65. What's the most amount of calories you can get?"

It's a variation of the knapsack problem, which is NP-complete. It's also a basic machine learning problem. Go Google "knapsack genetic algorithm $language_you_know", then tell me machine learning is easy enough to be a fad.

It's difficult, yes, but so is setting up virtualization infrastructure (albeit a different kind of difficult). My take has more to do with things becoming a buzzword; imagine managers going "this cloud poo poo's great, we gotta put our poo poo on the cloud" regardless of whether their product or service would even benefit from cloud computing. I imagine once machine learning starts to really take off in the public eye we'll see managers demanding that their developers get in on this machine learning google deep dream poo poo without any context whatsoever.

# ? Oct 1, 2015 18:51

bull3964: Nov 18, 2000; DO YOU HEAR THAT? THAT'S THE SOUND OF ME PATTING MYSELF ON THE BACK.

evol262 posted:

Big data would have done that. Machine learning is hard, which makes it a bad fad.

This seems very timely.

http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/boeing-establishes-analytics-lab-for-aerospace-data-at-carnegie-mellon-300152614.html

quote:

Carnegie Mellon University has joined with The Boeing Company to establish the Boeing/Carnegie Mellon Aerospace Data Analytics Lab, a new academic research initiative that will leverage the university's leadership in machine learning, language technologies and data analytics.

The goal is to find ways to use artificial intelligence and big data to capitalize on the enormous amount of data generated in the design, construction and operation of modern aircraft. Creating a maintenance schedule determined by the actual flight history and component performance for each airplane, rather than historic norms for similar aircraft, is just one of the possibilities.

# ? Oct 1, 2015 18:55

Aunt Beth: Feb 24, 2006; Baby, you're ready!; Grimey Drawer

Sprechensiesexy posted:

I wonder what the next fad after the cloud is gonna be

The cloud certainly has it uses but I get skeptical when a thing is being over hyped.

I'm pretty sure the next fad is already here, and it's Internet of Things, because people in Big Companies and all the CIO type magazines won't shut up about it.

# ? Oct 1, 2015 19:51

psydude: Apr 1, 2008

Internet of Things: a new term for the same poo poo we've been selling you for the past 40 years.

# ? Oct 1, 2015 19:58

ChubbyThePhat: Dec 22, 2006; Who nico nico needs anyone else

psydude posted:

Internet of Things: a new term for the same poo poo we've been selling you for the past 40 years.

Thanks for that Cisco.

# ? Oct 1, 2015 20:25

Dick Trauma: Nov 30, 2007; God damn it, you've got to be kind.

ChubbyThePhat posted:

Thanks for that Cisco.

"Anytime."

# ? Oct 1, 2015 20:32

Segmentation Fault: Jun 7, 2012

Dick Trauma posted:

"Anytime."

I mentally combine Sisqo, Cisco Systems, Sysco Corporation (the company that sells food products), and Captain Benjamin Sisko all the time and I can't imagine a life any other way.

# ? Oct 1, 2015 20:39

chocolateTHUNDER: Jul 19, 2008; GIVE ME ALL YOUR FREE AGENTS

ALL OF THEM

The cool thing about working in IT on Long Island is that the job market is great, I guess. I just started my job search on Monday and already have two interviews lined up.

# ? Oct 1, 2015 20:48

Dr. Arbitrary: Mar 15, 2006; Bleak Gremlin

Segmentation Fault posted:

I mentally combine Sisqo, Cisco Systems, Sysco Corporation (the company that sells food products), and Captain Benjamin Sisko all the time and I can't imagine a life any other way.

In my head, Tyco International is also a toy company.

# ? Oct 1, 2015 20:53

CloFan: Nov 6, 2004

Segmentation Fault posted:

My take has more to do with things becoming a buzzword; imagine managers going "this butt poo poo's great, we gotta put our poo poo on my butt" regardless of whether their product or service would even benefit from butt computing.

# ? Oct 1, 2015 21:00

ChubbyThePhat: Dec 22, 2006; Who nico nico needs anyone else

Still the best Chrome extension.

# ? Oct 1, 2015 21:11

Japanese Dating Sim: Nov 12, 2003; hehe; Lipstick Apathy

The Donald Trump one is growing on me.

# ? Oct 1, 2015 21:12

Thanks Ants: May 21, 2004; #essereFerrari

Tab8715 posted:

OTOH, Cisco UCS is excruciatingly innovative. I don't know if I've been living under a rock but it seems that Cisco came out nowhere with UCS and it's giving Dell/HP/Lenovo/IBM/ect a hell of a hard time.

Has anyone got a decent overview of what UCS is all about? I read the Cisco website and didn't really come away any wiser.

# ? Oct 1, 2015 21:13

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ChubbyThePhat posted:

Still the best Chrome extension.

Was wondering why he was emptyquoting me.

# ? Oct 1, 2015 21:16

Vulture Culture: Jul 14, 2003; I was never enjoying it. I only eat it for the nutrients.

chocolateTHUNDER posted:

The cool thing about working in IT on Long Island is that the job market is great, I guess. I just started my job search on Monday and already have two interviews lined up.

Lots of hiring here, especially from huge companies like Cablevision and Verizon. Doesn't hurt being a train commute out of Manhattan either.

This guy's a decent recruiter who's actually out on the island:
https://www.linkedin.com/profile/vi...e%3ANAME_SEARCH

# ? Oct 1, 2015 21:36

chocolateTHUNDER: Jul 19, 2008; GIVE ME ALL YOUR FREE AGENTS

ALL OF THEM

Vulture Culture posted:

Lots of hiring here, especially from huge companies like Cablevision and Verizon. Doesn't hurt being a train commute out of Manhattan either.

This guy's a decent recruiter who's actually out on the island:
https://www.linkedin.com/profile/vi...e%3ANAME_SEARCH

I don't actually have a linked in. I should probably fix that. I've only been working in IT for a year (help desk bitch) so I never really needed one.

# ? Oct 1, 2015 23:40

Fiendish Dr. Wu: Nov 11, 2010; You done fucked up now!

chocolateTHUNDER posted:

I don't actually have a linked in. I should probably fix that. I've only been working in IT for a year (help desk bitch) so I never really needed one.

code:

str = "I don't actually have a linked in. I should probably fix that. I've only been working in IT for a year (help desk bitch) so I never really needed one.";
str1 = str.replace("linked in", "thing that helps you get a good job")
print str1.replace("one", "a thing that helps you get a better job")

# ? Oct 2, 2015 00:45

adorai: Nov 2, 2002; 10/27/04 Never forget; Grimey Drawer

Tab8715 posted:

What scenario are we looking at here where you've got that much data that has to come back On-Premises? You're able to get a VPN or even MLPS-Circut back On-Premise that isn't too expensive.

I have multiple hundred gigabyte data loads each night (one system dumps to another). I could only outsource these applications if they went to the same vendor,

# ? Oct 2, 2015 00:48

KS: Jun 10, 2003; Outrageous Lumpwad

Thanks Ants posted:

Has anyone got a decent overview of what UCS is all about? I read the Cisco website and didn't really come away any wiser.

Stateless servers.

1. Describe a state for what you want your physical hosts to look like. That includes connected NICs and VLANs, boot config, and even firmware levels for BIOS and NICs.
2. Assign that template to new hardware and make consistent hosts easily.
3. If you have a hardware failure, a replacement blade can assume that service profile, matching NIC config and firmware levels with a few clicks.

It is light years ahead of other blades, but it requires enough setup and domain knowledge that it's only worth it past a certain scale. It's also just an enterprise virtualization thing, because SAAS providers have moved on to the cloud model.

It can also break spectacularly. I've had the "online" firmware update process take down both FIs at once. That same functionality that lets you update firmware with a few clicks will also reboot your entire group of hosts if you press the wrong buttons. As always, Cisco sucks at UI.

# ? Oct 2, 2015 01:20

Sprechensiesexy: Dec 26, 2010; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Segmentation Fault posted:

I mentally combine Sisqo, Cisco Systems, Sysco Corporation (the company that sells food products), and Captain Benjamin Sisko all the time and I can't imagine a life any other way.

"Are your thongs safe in the Cloud?"

# ? Oct 2, 2015 01:57

SyNack Sassimov: May 4, 2006; Let the robot win.
��--Captain James T. Vader

Sprechensiesexy posted:

"Are your thongs safe in the Butt?"

COME ON MAN IT WAS RIGHT THERE

ninja: right there in the butt

# ? Oct 2, 2015 02:57

evol262: Nov 30, 2010; #!/usr/bin/perl

KS posted:

Stateless servers.

1. Describe a state for what you want your physical hosts to look like. That includes connected NICs and VLANs, boot config, and even firmware levels for BIOS and NICs.
2. Assign that template to new hardware and make consistent hosts easily.
3. If you have a hardware failure, a replacement blade can assume that service profile, matching NIC config and firmware levels with a few clicks.

It is light years ahead of other blades

To be fair, there are other management platforms that can do this (and PXE them). Foreman comes to mind, but I'm sure there are others. It's not as well integrated as UCS, mostly because the switchport config has to be done separately, but you can get mostly there with free stuff.

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adorai: Nov 2, 2002; 10/27/04 Never forget; Grimey Drawer

from a price standpoint, UCS really shines at 3 or more chassis. You can really save some cash at that point over HP or IBM.

# ? Oct 2, 2015 03:48

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