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eviltastic posted:I would not have expected a self identified conservative with a profile name of IRONCROSS45 to be a mixed race dude that is up for interracial dating. Also a wiccan!
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Killer robot posted:Yes and no. Lots of Mexican guns came from the US, but overwhelmingly either got there through legal sales to Mexican police and military units the cartels stole them from, or else got smuggled over the southern border thanks to decades of the US government arming up the rest of Latin America. The popular article about the percentage of Mexican guns traced to the US was based on a subset of a subset that got submitted to the US for tracking, since guns with no serial numbers or that obviously didn't come from US civilian channels weren't going to be submitted in the first place. There's also a lot of collusion going on between cartels and American precious metals concerns, where the cartels will work as enforcers and threaten and murder all the labor activists, environmentalists, and land-owning holdouts from interfering with their mining operations. They get paid good money and are supplied very well.
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ComradeCosmobot posted:No. Can't let things like the fact that the debt ceiling was moved up to Nov. 4 distract us from the real issues. Is the killing of students or an entirely artificial and pointless deadline a real issue?
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Jagchosis posted:McCarthy. Even after he accidentally got caught telling the truth about the Benghazi stuff?
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I'm finally watching Obama's press release on the shooting. Jesus, he's loving pissed.
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Tatum Girlparts posted:Even after he accidentally got caught telling the truth about the Benghazi stuff? Are you kidding? That sealed the deal.
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Star Man posted:I'm finally watching Obama's press release on the shooting. Jesus, he's loving pissed. The president of the United States legitimately actually cares about the lives of citizens, holy poo poo never thought I would see this day. He makes a good point, we have a gun for every man woman and child in America. We've tried it the insane bastard way, it doesn't work.
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Seattle plans to push for comprehensive public financing of local elections. Of course keeping private money out will be impossible thanks to Citizens United, but it could be interesting.
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Stereotype posted:So can we stop talking about guns and instead discuss who is going to be the next House Majority Leader? Daniel Webster (R-FL), (the country's only) noted crusader against no-fault divorce.
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Stereotype posted:So can we stop talking about guns and instead discuss who is going to be the next House Majority Leader? Speaking of which, does it seem like McCarthy's dumbass admission about the BENGHAZI! BENGHAZI! BENGHAZI! committee will have legs?
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GreyjoyBastard posted:Daniel Webster (R-FL), (the country's only) noted crusader against no-fault divorce. I hear he has one powerful advocate
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So it's not going to be the empty suit from Bakersfield? I should know who Kevin McCarthy is since I live in CA, but I really don't.
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Apart from anything else, holy hell, Obama's comments on the situation were legitimately  -inducing. I don't think I've ever heard an American president so openly frustrated - not even angry, in way, just frustrated - in the nearly 32 years I've been on this planet. He so obviously wants to match up with the rest of the developed world, or even the rest of the Anglosphere, when it comes to guns, but he knows he'll never find the political support for it during the remainder of his term in office. That's some serious "will he actually be getting sleep tonight or is it just going to bedevil him until the sun rises" kind of poo poo.It was heartening to see him so frank, if nothing else.
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StandardVC10 posted:So it's not going to be the empty suit from Bakersfield? I should know who Kevin McCarthy is since I live in CA, but I really don't. That is McCarthy. 
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GreyjoyBastard posted:That is McCarthy. I know! I guess I phrased that badly!
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SpaceDrake posted:Apart from anything else, holy hell, Obama's comments on the situation were legitimately Dude needs to keep it up, he's lending a voice to the frustration a ton of Americans feel.
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Rent-A-Cop posted:I'm sure Los Zetas bought their Huey gunship from a Gander Mountain in Arizona somewhere. I'm sure that's literally the only weapons the Los Zetas have. Star Man posted:I'm finally watching Obama's press release on the shooting. Jesus, he's loving pissed. Yeah this is one of those "your services are not needed, Luther" times. FAUXTON fucked around with this message at 05:15 on Oct 2, 2015 |
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nachos posted:I just can't imagine McCarthy sailing through like that without some sort of fight I hope it's a rap battle fight because that would be something else.
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ComradeCosmobot posted:Seattle plans to push for comprehensive public financing of local elections. Pretty confident this will pass and excited to see the results. I hope we can inspire other cities to follow our lead. Can't do anything about Citizens United, but I'm bullish on it being overturned within the next decade too. One step at a time though.
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Mr Interweb posted:Speaking of which, does it seem like McCarthy's dumbass admission about the BENGHAZI! BENGHAZI! BENGHAZI! committee will have legs? It means he's going to have to give the FREEDOM nutters a bone in terms of leadership positions, but the only real thing it did is give Hillary a great sound byte for an add when it becomes a Republican advert in the General.
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I always wondered why the President didn't get up and talk about whatever issues he wanted the public to push for on a weekly basis. It always seemed like that would be huge and has made a big difference in the past (see Reagan or, to a lesser extent, Roosevelt). And relevant to current events it seems like that would be a great way to get national attention on a weekly basis to put up facts about Climate Change, Vaccinations, or even more publicly divided issues like Gun Control or Healthcare. Turns out, that has been a regular thing since Reagan (minus H.W. Bush) and is currently done by Obama. In case this is news to anyone else: https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/weekly-address Although I can find very very few references to it, and despite keeping up to date with political news fairly regularly over the past 15 years I can't remember ever seeing anyone (news, forums, other podcasts, whatever) link to a radio record, audio podcast, or video of one of these addresses. Is everyone like me and just had no clue this was going on (the average view numbers for the Youtube videos is pretty pathetic), have they just become so routine that everyone ignores them, or are they just filled with too much political bs? Am I overestimating the ability of a President to somehow get 20-30 minutes of time in front of a TV or even broadcast to many radio stations during rush hour to really get exposure to this in a way that would be meaningful? nessin fucked around with this message at 06:19 on Oct 2, 2015 |
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Turnquiet posted:edit- gently caress, stupid plug in making poo poo posts all over the place. this is my excuse too its the plugin
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nessin posted:Although I can find very very few references to it, and despite keeping up to date with political news fairly regularly over the past 15 years I can't remember ever seeing anyone (news, forums, other podcasts, whatever) link to a radio record, audio podcast, or video of one of these addresses. Is everyone like me and just had no clue this was going on (the average view numbers for the Youtube videos is pretty pathetic), have they just become so routine that everyone ignores them, or are they just filled with too much political bs? Am I overestimating the ability of a President to somehow get 20-30 minutes of time in front of a TV or even broadcast to many radio stations during rush hour to really get exposure to this in a way that would be meaningful? Yes, this has been happening for a long time. But fox news/cnn/msnbc is flashy, angry, and tells everyone what they want to hear. About the only place that will carry it live is CSPAN.
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The more I think on it, the less access to guns, poor mental health services and poverty account for this phenomenon. Plenty of other nations have an excess of guns, far more abysmal mental health services and even more dire economic circumstances. Easy access to firearms certainly helps to facilitate these massacres but that's a how and not a why. I'd be talking out of my arse if I tried to identify which parts of the culture was responsible but when all the other variables are the same, it's gotta be culture right?
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nessin posted:I always wondered why the President didn't get up and talk about whatever issues he wanted the public to push for on a weekly basis. It always seemed like that would be huge and has made a big difference in the past (see Reagan or, to a lesser extent, Roosevelt). And relevant to current events it seems like that would be a great way to get national attention on a weekly basis to put up facts about Climate Change, Vaccinations, or even more publicly divided issues like Gun Control or Healthcare. Turns out, that has been a regular thing since Reagan (minus H.W. Bush) and is currently done by Obama. In case this is news to anyone else: It's basically every reason you've outlined. They're a bit dry and routine, and too wrapped up in the political side of politics for anyone to give a poo poo. For the most part it's opinions everyone already knows Obama has. There are no surprises and no story. They're also way too frequent for anyone to seriously follow them on a week to week basis. People barely care about the State of the Union, and that's once a year. Even outside this format, we saw Obama talk today about the shooting. Powerful stuff in the face of a national tragedy. Well written speech. Nobody will change their mind or do anything different. Could Obama change his approach, do more, and somehow sway the hearts and minds of the American people better than he has been doing? Hard to say. I don't have any particular ideas on that front.
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Funky See Funky Do posted:The more I think on it, the less access to guns, poor mental health services and poverty account for this phenomenon. Plenty of other nations have an excess of guns, far more abysmal mental health services and even more dire economic circumstances. Easy access to firearms certainly helps to facilitate these massacres but that's a how and not a why. The mass shooting phenomenon is indeed an element of American culture. Specifically, the spree killing glorification is spread by the media/advertisement bath every citizen is engulfed in.
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I wonder how many mass-shooting speeches Obama has pre-written by this point. "We can't stand by and let another (another(another)) tragedy like this one happen again!"  Oh and I'm sure 4chan is having a thoroughly thought provoking and introspective dialogue on this event right now too. 
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Funky See Funky Do posted:The more I think on it, the less access to guns, poor mental health services and poverty account for this phenomenon. Plenty of other nations have an excess of guns, far more abysmal mental health services and even more dire economic circumstances. Easy access to firearms certainly helps to facilitate these massacres but that's a how and not a why. It's at least somewhat right. I'm not confident saying that better mental health services would or wouldn't change things, but mass shooters don't tend to be particularly poor, and they'll happily and effectively use whatever guns they have, even ordinary hunting shotguns not hard to get in other country and usually in the "don't worry, we're not coming after grandpa's hunting tools" part of strict gun control proposals. Methods of suicides, and of violent outbursts, seem to have a strong cultural component, likely a manner of copycat effect if nothing else. Not surprising a combination of the two would also. And it's already demonstrated that publicity of suicide attempts make suicide more likely.
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Moxie posted:The mass shooting phenomenon is indeed an element of American culture. Specifically, the spree killing glorification is spread by the media/advertisement bath every citizen is engulfed in. I'd argue that the media coverage is just another symptom and not a cause. It's hard to glorify something that a people don't already hold in some esteem.
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Funky See Funky Do posted:The more I think on it, the less access to guns, poor mental health services and poverty account for this phenomenon. Plenty of other nations have an excess of guns, far more abysmal mental health services and even more dire economic circumstances. Yeah? Which ones?
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Mercury_Storm posted:I wonder how many mass-shooting speeches Obama has pre-written by this point.
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Samurai Sanders posted:My friend brought up gun control on Facebook, something I would never do. It started a predictable fight full of people saying their side as what is obviously right and the other side as crazy nonsense for idiots. I can't see any sign that the gap in opinion between pro-gun and anti-gun people has narrowed in my life so far. I am pretty sure that that this situation change in my lifetime. I'm pretty sure the Gun Control well has been poisoned, and I don't think the steps needed to cleanse it are happening anytime soon. On the side of the anti-gun control folks, there's more at work than just ARE FREEDUMBS and the like. There's economic self-interest. People make money from this sort of thing - people that make guns, people that run gun stores, people that sell ammo, people that run gun ranges, people that run gun shows, and so on and so forth. Gun control costs these people money. Some of them, I'm sure, are more motivated by Rights and Freedom and the like than anything else, but when there's money involved I tend to believe that money is the motivator. The problem is, no one makes money from people not getting shot. There's no economic interest in pushing for gun control, because no one profits from gun control. I suspect gun control in the US is a dead issue and will be unless and until a bunch of police departments and EMT companies and hospitals and insurance companies get together and say "we're tired of all these dead people and what they cost us" and build a lobbying organization as large and as wealthy as the NRA. Until that happens... welp.
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botany posted:Yeah? Which ones? Take a look at this list https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_of_guns_per_capita_by_country and the one here http://harvardpolitics.com/special_features/gun.html#r1 Remove using whichever means you want any country you don't think is a fair comparison and the answer is the ones left over. Finland is the example I'd use. Lots of guns, lots of really depressed and isolated people with one of the worst suicide rates in the world but not so many shooting sprees.
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Funky See Funky Do posted:Take a look at this list https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_of_guns_per_capita_by_country Finland also has fairly low income inequality.
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DivineCoffeeBinge posted:I'm pretty sure the Gun Control well has been poisoned, and I don't think the steps needed to cleanse it are happening anytime soon. I think the simple explanation is that gun owners are the ones who stand to lose something. Aside from a few grieving parents of shooting victims, most of the pro-gun control base has no stake in the issue aside from emotion, and their engagement reflects that. For gun owners, every proposal resricts their ability to buy or sell or transport or repair their guns. All gun owners have at the very least a financial investment tied up in a physical object they own. They also have no reason to compromise: the most generous proposals from the other side come out to, "let us ban what we want now, and maybe we won't ban something else later," a promise that gun owners have no reason to believe is sincere in the wake of the NY SAFE Act.
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Funky See Funky Do posted:Take a look at this list https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_of_guns_per_capita_by_country Gun culture and legislation is an important difference. Finland still has far more strict gun laws than the United States - they require a license for each gun, required safe storage, and they do not permit open or concealed carry unless the gun is being transported to a place of storage or use. They also require a reason for acquiring a license, and do NOT accept self-defense. Basically, Finland's laws both reflect and instill a more "mature" gun culture. Switzerland is a similar story - high gun ownership rate, but that is largely due to required military service for most men. Thus you have a culture where gun ownership is very common, but proper training and a "mature" gun culture.
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That argument falls apart when you start looking at the rest of the world. Brazil has strict licensing and ownership, and bans carry outside the home, so they must have a mature gun culture... Oh wait, they have one of the highest homicide rates on the planet. Also, I object to the idea that a government which demands its citizens provide a good reason why they should be allowed to do things is "mature."
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