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greatn posted:We've never had looser gun restrictions
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greatn posted:we've never had a functioning mental health care system. We had a semi-functioning mental health system before Reagan got rid of it.
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Oct 2, 2015 17:10
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greatn posted:We've never had looser gun restrictions and we've never had a functioning mental health care system. The system we had while brutal was pretty effective at keeping dysfunction al individuals out of society.
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Oct 2, 2015 17:11
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CommieGIR posted:We had a semi-functioning mental health system before Reagan got rid of it. Semi-functioning in the same way Rosemary Kennedy was.
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Oct 2, 2015 17:12
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Mister Macys posted:
"No, because you see those are two different ideas, that's what a coma means." ~my ammosexual brother
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Oct 2, 2015 17:13
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His Purple Majesty posted:The system we had while brutal was pretty effective at keeping dysfunction al individuals out of society. Why is the personal liberty of mentally ill people less important than MY GUNS!!!!
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Oct 2, 2015 17:14
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CommieGIR posted:We had a semi-functioning mental health system before Reagan got rid of it. It existed but the effective treatments used today didn't start to come about until the late 70s.
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Oct 2, 2015 17:14
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Rent-A-Cop posted:I had exactly the same response. There is no downside to cramming all the fundies and similar retards back down their hole. That's just it. I want the fundies to get hosed and they're basically the Tea Party. Cruz getting frozen out of the senate feels so good. More of the same in the House would be fantastic
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Oct 2, 2015 17:14
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Does the idea of a well-run militia even make sense now that we actually have a real standing army?
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Oct 2, 2015 17:16
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point of return posted:Does the idea of a well-run militia even make sense now that we actually have a real standing army? No.
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Oct 2, 2015 17:16
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point of return posted:Does the idea of a well-run militia even make sense now that we actually have a real standing army? The understanding of the 2nd Amendment that inspired those words hasn't existed since the days that of near-universal Greek and Latin requirements in higher education.
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Oct 2, 2015 17:19
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Hey guys, according to available U.S. government records, there were no mass shootings in California before 1848, clearly it is Big Government Overregulation that caused all the gun violence in California!
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Oct 2, 2015 17:20
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We could stop every spree shooter in the country and we'd still have thousands of gun murders every year in this country. You can't distill our violence problem down to 'one weird trick', it's a melange of ridiculously lax gun regulation, mental health care, and poverty. A solution that stopped spree shooters might have little to no effect on 'normal' gun murders and vice versa.
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Oct 2, 2015 17:20
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There should be mental health cooldowns/restrictions for gun ownership but they should be primarily focused around wanting to harm oneself what with that being more than an order of magnitude more likely than a spree killer (and the link between mental health issues and suicide is almost tautological compared to the tenuous one to spree killings)
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Oct 2, 2015 17:22
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I think that if you have paranoid delusions of grandeur (such as thinking the government is coming to take your guns) you probably shouldn't be allowed to own one.
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Oct 2, 2015 17:24
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Maarek posted:We could stop every spree shooter in the country and we'd still have thousands of gun murders every year in this country. You can't distill our violence problem down to 'one weird trick', it's a melange of ridiculously lax gun regulation, mental health care, and poverty. A solution that stopped spree shooters might have little to no effect on 'normal' gun murders and vice versa. Yes just because we can't stop all gun violence means we shouldn't do something to stop some of the most egregious.
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Oct 2, 2015 17:25
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Trabisnikof posted:Hey guys, according to available U.S. government records, there were no mass shootings in California before 1848, clearly it is Big Government Overregulation that caused all the gun violence in California! Did Junipero Serra ever shoot the natives or was he just a beat and starve them to death while raping the little boys kind of guy.
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Oct 2, 2015 17:25
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point of return posted:There should be mental health cooldowns/restrictions for gun ownership but they should be primarily focused around wanting to harm oneself what with that being more than an order of magnitude more likely than a spree killer (and the link between mental health issues and suicide is almost tautological compared to the tenuous one to spree killings)
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Oct 2, 2015 17:25
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Trabisnikof posted:I think that if you have paranoid delusions of grandeur (such as thinking the government is coming to take your guns) you probably shouldn't be allowed to own one. But we have goverment officials that are on record for wanting a total ban on guns including one that turned out to be a gun runner himself!
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Oct 2, 2015 17:26
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Maarek posted:We could stop every spree shooter in the country and we'd still have thousands of gun murders every year in this country. You can't distill our violence problem down to 'one weird trick', it's a melange of ridiculously lax gun regulation, mental health care, and poverty. A solution that stopped spree shooters might have little to no effect on 'normal' gun murders and vice versa. Except conservatives aren't interested in fixing any of those three problems.
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Oct 2, 2015 17:26
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Maarek posted:We could stop every spree shooter in the country and we'd still have thousands of gun murders every year in this country. You can't distill our violence problem down to 'one weird trick', it's a melange of ridiculously lax gun regulation, mental health care, and poverty. A solution that stopped spree shooters might have little to no effect on 'normal' gun murders and vice versa. So we might as well do nothing and hope that works!
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Oct 2, 2015 17:26
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Mr. Nice! posted:Yes just because we can't stop all gun violence means we shouldn't do something to stop some of the most egregious. That's definitely not what I said and I don't know how you'd take that from my post unless you're just spoiling to argue over nothing. Duke Igthorn posted:So we might as well do nothing and hope that works! Or we could fix all of those things and not pretend there's a silver bullet (heh) that can fix a serious problem in the USA.
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Oct 2, 2015 17:27
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Feds reporting the shooter had body armor, 3 pistols, 1 rifle, 5 extra magazines.
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Oct 2, 2015 17:27
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I wish I were the Flash. I'd just steal all the guns. Then I'd go disable factories.
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Oct 2, 2015 17:28
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LeeMajors posted:Except conservatives aren't interested in fixing any of those three problems. In general, if you are trying to advocate for or enact some sort of social policy that would do good and useful things you can just assume that conservative ideologues are going to be 100% against it all the way because that's pretty much their thing.
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Oct 2, 2015 17:30
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His Purple Majesty posted:But we have goverment officials that are on record for wanting a total ban on guns including one that turned out to be a gun runner himself! And we have government officials on record that we should take away no fault divorce, it would still be a paranoid delusion to think the government was going to come take away your marriage!
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Oct 2, 2015 17:30
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Fried Chicken posted:Amid the global economic slowdown, the recovery now relies on cash strapped US consumers Can't wait for talking heads to all agree that consumers are just being lazy. Edit- basically this rant from the WSJ back from June. http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2015/06/02/grand-central-a-letter-to-stingy-american-consumers quote:We know you experienced a terrible shock when Lehman Brothers collapsed in 2008 and your employer responded by firing you. We know stock prices collapsed and that was shocking too. We also know you shouldn’t have taken out that large second mortgage during the housing boom to fix up your kitchen with granite countertops. You’ve been working very hard to pay off this debt and we admire your fortitude. But these shocks seem like a long time ago to us in a newsroom. Is that still what’s holding you back? Iron Twinkie fucked around with this message at 17:39 on Oct 2, 2015 |
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Oct 2, 2015 17:30
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Maarek posted:Or we could fix all of those things and not pretend there's a silver bullet (heh) that can fix a serious problem in the USA. Gun ban/control advocates are almost universally in support of improved healthcare and social programs, hth.
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Oct 2, 2015 17:30
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Maarek posted:spoiling to argue over nothing. Trabisnikof posted:And we have government officials on record that we should take away no fault divorce, it would still be a paranoid delusion to think the government was going to come take away your marriage!
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Oct 2, 2015 17:30
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Hey US, Stop shooting people at school, signed, UK.
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Oct 2, 2015 17:31
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Another Person posted:Hey US, We don't have any colonies so we have to do it at schools. Don't judge us.
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Oct 2, 2015 17:32
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Rent-A-Cop posted:We don't have any colonies so we have to do it at schools. Don't judge us. Judging hard right here.
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Oct 2, 2015 17:33
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His Purple Majesty posted:I'll repeat this question since you nanny state authortorians glossed over it, ooh ooh me! there are more people
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Oct 2, 2015 17:34
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Another Person posted:Hey US, Hey UK, Our political system is such that if our president says in front of a camera that he likes puppies and grandmothers, 40% of the country would strangle their puppy and beat the nearest grandmother to death with the corpse. signed, US
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Oct 2, 2015 17:34
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Rent-A-Cop posted:Welcome to gunthred. Yeah, I generally stay out of them but I have to say I am legitimately surprised that me posting that we have different kinds of gun violence that will require different policies to deal with got answered by two "WELL I GUESS WE SHOULD JUST CLOSE DOWN THE COUNTRY, THEN". LeeMajors posted:Gun ban/control advocates are almost universally in support of improved healthcare and social programs, hth. And I have read this half a dozen times and still have no idea what the hell you are trying to say.
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Oct 2, 2015 17:34
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Maarek posted:And I have read this half a dozen times and still have no idea what the hell you are trying to say. People in favor of gun control also tend to support increased mental health funding and other social programs.
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Oct 2, 2015 17:36
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Another Person posted:Hey US, 
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Oct 2, 2015 17:37
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Cythereal posted:Hey UK, Because he's Muslim.
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Oct 2, 2015 17:38
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Maarek posted:And I have read this half a dozen times and still have no idea what the hell you are trying to say. You're acting like gun control advocates are in favor of gun bans in a vacuum. We almost universally support improved healthcare (including mental health, as in single-payer, max accessibility healthcare) and social programs (minimizing the deplorable conditions of poverty). So saying  "well, you need to address all the problems of gun violence" is really dumb because almost all of us are politically inclined to improve on all those societal ills.His Purple Majesty posted:I'll repeat this question since you nanny state authortorians glossed over it, Neither of those things have been true.
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