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Awia posted:Imagine I posted the video of Otacon crying in MGS4.
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Awia posted:This is so untrue, Otacon is a creepy weirdo. So it fits perfectly that his dad is Huey. Otacon is weird but within normal weirdness levels. Huey is a mass-murdering liar. Otacon looks at foot fetish porn online. Huey kills a child. Otacon watches anime about schoolgirls. Huey launches a rocket at a zoo for endangered animals. Otacon is afraid of plaid. Huey ejaculated into a nun's coffee.
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Oct 2, 2015 23:50
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Huey essentially let his wife die. All women who show interest in Otacon die of their own stupidity.
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Oct 2, 2015 23:51
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Huey is quite easily the biggest piece of poo poo in the series, he deserved everything that he got. Otacon is still loving weird though.
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Oct 2, 2015 23:52
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He's alright. He did a lot to save the world
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Oct 2, 2015 23:53
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People are ridiculing Otacon for.. crying when he has to watch his love interest kill herself? Some real manly men ITT.
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Oct 2, 2015 23:53
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Vic Boss posted:People are ridiculing Otacon for.. crying when he has to watch his love interest kill herself? Some real manly men ITT. He should have stayed stoic and manly.
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Oct 2, 2015 23:54
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Otacon's dad was complete human garbage and his stepmother molested him. I think he turned out all right.
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Oct 2, 2015 23:55
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Vic Boss posted:People are ridiculing Otacon for.. crying when he has to watch his love interest kill herself? Some real manly men ITT.
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Oct 2, 2015 23:55
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He saved 30 hostages on his own with a stolen helicopter that he can fly really well, while grieving the death of his only remaining family member, he's very awesome
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Oct 2, 2015 23:55
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net cafe scandal posted:A very cool and good post! Thank you for the time answering these questions! I didn't put together that the operation intrude tape was put in a MSX! What a cool detail. I thought it was some sort of crazy modem sounds over a phone line to set the events of MG1 into motion. I'm starting to see why the ending upset me so much. The revelation that I've been used all along, the chilling acceptance of someone finding their entire life being over written then being such a sycophant that he's completely okay with it. The idea that Big Boss knowingly sacrifices others to further what he *thinks* his mentor wanted. The Boss is a woman who sacrificed every single thing about her character and self for of another's wishes. Snake just sheds his skin to find another hole to crawl in. The ending is cool and good. I have thought of a game like this since like deadly premonition.
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Oct 2, 2015 23:56
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net cafe scandal posted:He saved 30 hostages on his own with a stolen helicopter that he can fly really well, while grieving the death of his only remaining family member, he's very awesome Do you think he watches anime on the Nomad?
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Oct 2, 2015 23:56
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Also Otacon turns into a dashing man of mystery who tries to keep women away from him but that just enhances his appeal, according to Rising. Either that or Sunny is aware of him jerking off to anime porn every Saturday night.
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Oct 2, 2015 23:57
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Otacon is also an accomplished father who's little girl lobotomized the Illuminati SkyNet.Nakar posted:Also Otacon turns into a dashing man of mystery who tries to keep women away from him but that just enhances his appeal, according to Rising. These are not mutually exclusive.
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Oct 2, 2015 23:59
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Huey Emmerich is the Robert Durst of scientists.
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Oct 3, 2015 00:02
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Otacon's arc is like completely opposite to Huey's, mind you Huey's arc is not very long since he's only in two games. Huey starts as Not Otacon and after PW turns out to be an enormous rear end in a top hat, Otacon is a weirdo who becomes a cool guy after MGS1. It's like when you do dumb poo poo when you're a teenager and then grow out of it. Sometimes you have to build a nuclear warhead equipped walking battle tank like your dad did, get it out of your system, and after that figure out yourself and the world.
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Oct 3, 2015 00:02
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Moochewmoo posted:Thank you for the time answering these questions! I didn't put together that the operation intrude tape was put in a MSX! What a cool detail. I thought it was some sort of crazy modem sounds over a phone line to set the events of MG1 into motion. Remember, Big Boss denounced The Boss's ideals after he beat Peace Walker! At this point, he's operating to fulfill his dream of endless conflict, something completely different than what his mentor wanted. It's another way of deflating the "legend" of Big Boss by casting him as a selfish and manipulative rear end in a top hat who does what he does purely for selfish reasons.
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Oct 3, 2015 00:05
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Raxivace posted:Huey Emmerich is the Robert Durst of scientists. Otacon is the Fred Durst.
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Oct 3, 2015 00:06
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ChaosArgate posted:Remember, Big Boss denounced The Boss's ideals after he beat Peace Walker! At this point, he's operating to fulfill his dream of endless conflict, something completely different than what his mentor wanted. It's another way of deflating the "legend" of Big Boss by casting him as a selfish and manipulative rear end in a top hat who does what he does purely for selfish reasons. I think calling him selfish is a bit much. He was trying to create a world where soldiers like him always had a purpose, a world where those who only feel alive on the battlefield have a place. It was a lovely goal because it fucks over the majority of people who want to live peacefully, but at least he was looking out for the violent minority, I guess? I wouldn't call that selfish though.
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Oct 3, 2015 00:11
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Awia posted:This is so untrue, Otacon is a creepy weirdo. So it fits perfectly that his dad is Huey. He might be a creepy weirdo, but he pulls rear end on the regular. Hell, one of the women he has slept with made it her final request to get the diamond D from Otacon.
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Oct 3, 2015 00:24
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Shoren posted:I think calling him selfish is a bit much. He was trying to create a world where soldiers like him always had a purpose, a world where those who only feel alive on the battlefield have a place. It was a lovely goal because it fucks over the majority of people who want to live peacefully, but at least he was looking out for the violent minority, I guess? I wouldn't call that selfish though. Also one of the articles that's been linked here suggests that Big Boss is terribly afraid of dying and doesn't understand why people would choose to die and probably sees death on the battlefield as the only sensible or noble end, and that a lot of his actions to create a world "for soldiers" are more to create a world where Big Boss is in control of the world conflict and safe from it. Plenty of men get sent to die in PW and TPP, he thinks little of letting the Medic risk his life in his own place, he puts people in harm's way in MG1 and 2.
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Oct 3, 2015 00:31
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Nakar posted:Also Otacon turns into a dashing man of mystery who tries to keep women away from him but that just enhances his appeal, according to Rising. "Yeah, dad's always been a bit religious. He has a bible black DVD that he plays a lot and he always goes to him room to pray with himself."
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ChaosArgate posted:Remember, Big Boss denounced The Boss's ideals after he beat Peace Walker! At this point, he's operating to fulfill his dream of endless conflict, something completely different than what his mentor wanted. It's another way of deflating the "legend" of Big Boss by casting him as a selfish and manipulative rear end in a top hat who does what he does purely for selfish reasons. Ah! Okay I didn't follow that's exactly what happened in Peace Walker. I suppose I was as caught up in the legend as everyone else. So Big Boss knows he's only alive because of Zero right? Wasn't venom snake partly his plan? Is Zero actually an okay dude who gets straight up ganked in the graveyard of his hero? His AI plan didn't seem awful until they went a little crazy. Is his hate boner for Zero, a man who he literally owes his life to multiple times over and helps facilitate his ride off into the sunset, another part of his fall from grace? Now I'm starting to wonder if Zero and The Boss are actually the true hero's of the series. Zeros AIs seem to misinterprete his will just as Big Boss did to The Boss. Zero wanted to save his skin sure, but he didn't seem to do it for glory or power. He becomes lost in the legend and organization he created. This loving series man.
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One of my favorite gaps in the storyline is between Snake Eater and Portable Ops. BB tried to live life peacefully but just found he couldn't. He couldn't operate mentally if he wasn't on the battlefield and always in danger of losing his life. I think he knows there's always been something seriously wrong with himself but he literally can't imagine anything but continuing the fight.
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Oct 3, 2015 00:41
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Moochewmoo posted:Now I'm starting to wonder if Zero and The Boss are actually the true hero's of the series. Zeros AIs seem to misinterprete his will just as Big Boss did to The Boss. The AIs end up creating a world engulfed in proxy war without end so, yeah, kinda.
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Zero hosed up big time. But that's partially because Skull Face killed his brain and the only person left to right the ship was Sigint, a guy who attends ceremonies at the White House in dirty overalls.
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Sylphid posted:One of my favorite gaps in the storyline is between Snake Eater and Portable Ops. BB tried to live life peacefully but just found he couldn't. He couldn't operate mentally if he wasn't on the battlefield and always in danger of losing his life. I think he knows there's always been something seriously wrong with himself but he literally can't imagine anything but continuing the fight.
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Oct 3, 2015 02:33
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Between Sigint's gross fishing waders and his incredible poo poo dream, I very badly want to know what is going on inside his head.
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Oct 3, 2015 02:36
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Moochewmoo posted:Ah! Okay I didn't follow that's exactly what happened in Peace Walker. I suppose I was as caught up in the legend as everyone else. Zero is an interesting character because he is similarly mythologized through the series as the Boss and Big Boss, but in an entirely different way. In MGS2, the Patriots are this shadowy Illuminati kind of an organization, a secret society which controls the world. In 3 we are shown the origin of that, and it's hard to not transitively assign this illuminati image onto Zero. 4 starts working to deflate the myth of Zero as Illuminati by showing him as an invalid trapped inside his own body at the graveyard. Without the context of the prequel games, this suggests that even the most mythological figure is still just a man (I would suggest that some of the ideas that PW and V elaborate on are present in 4's ending, but they are certainly made more explicit by the prequels) PW and V both show Zero as a man with good intentions who's plans got away from him. He wants for a world without conflict and is willing to manipulate people behind the scenes to achieve that. They show how, as much as he tries to control people, he consistently has his plans spiral out of control (Paz betrays him and attempts to steal Zeke against his orders, everything about Skullface, etc.). It's inevitable, then, that his AIs will end up continuing his goals far past what he had intended. Zero was never a mythical puppet master villain, he was a man with a lot of influence, influence which extended beyond his ability to control it.
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Grizzled Patriarch posted:Between Sigint's gross fishing waders and his incredible poo poo dream, I very badly want to know what is going on inside his head. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgDWSHxO0ps
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Yeah Bro posted:Zero is an interesting character because he is similarly mythologized through the series as the Boss and Big Boss, but in an entirely different way. In MGS2, the Patriots are this shadowy Illuminati kind of an organization, a secret society which controls the world. In 3 we are shown the origin of that, and it's hard to not transitively assign this illuminati image onto Zero. 4 starts working to deflate the myth of Zero as Illuminati by showing him as an invalid trapped inside his own body at the graveyard. Without the context of the prequel games, this suggests that even the most mythological figure is still just a man (I would suggest that some of the ideas that PW and V elaborate on are present in 4's ending, but they are certainly made more explicit by the prequels) Wait did Paz really do that ZEKE poo poo of her own accord? Why would she do that? I always thought it was really weird and uncharacteristic that Zero would threaten to fire a nuke into mainland America and pin the blame on Big Boss.
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It did seem weird which is why they retconned it into Skull Face giving her that order on Zero's behalf.
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Speedball posted:It did seem weird which is why they retconned it into Skull Face giving her that order on Zero's behalf. Woahh.. what? Where did I miss that?
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net cafe scandal posted:Wait did Paz really do that ZEKE poo poo of her own accord? Why would she do that? I always thought it was really weird and uncharacteristic that Zero would threaten to fire a nuke into mainland America and pin the blame on Big Boss. It's been a while since I've played PW and even longer since I've listened to the tapes, but I was pretty sure that Paz did the Zeke stuff because she felt trapped between loyalty to Zero and loyalty to her new home and couldn't figure out how to resolve that. I'm on my phone rather than my computer, so I can't check the metal gear wiki for quotes, if it turns out I am wrong then I'll cop that on the chin.
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net cafe scandal posted:Woahh.. what? Where did I miss that? A Truth Tape in MGSV. Kaz has words with Zero and Zero says, "That... wasn't me. My organization is big enough that not everyone's on the same page."
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Vikar Jerome posted:The chapter 3 peace title card exists in all versions, but what is interesting is, the japanese symbols for its title card dont actually mean peace, just symbosis or togetherness or something. FractalSandwich fucked around with this message at 03:29 on Oct 3, 2015 |
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Yeah Bro posted:It's been a while since I've played PW and even longer since I've listened to the tapes, but I was pretty sure that Paz did the Zeke stuff because she felt trapped between loyalty to Zero and loyalty to her new home and couldn't figure out how to resolve that. I'm on my phone rather than my computer, so I can't check the metal gear wiki for quotes, if it turns out I am wrong then I'll cop that on the chin. In Paz's diary entries, she ultimately follows Cipher's orders because she is afraid of what will happen if she does not. But as Speedball said, it was retconned in Phantom Pain. Actually, a lot of stuff about Zero was retconned in Phantom Pain, since in MGS4, the game pretty much sets him up as the guy who started the whole thing out of malice. It isn't until we play Phantom Pain that we know that things got out of hand for him.
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Speedball posted:A Truth Tape in MGSV. Kaz has words with Zero and Zero says, "That... wasn't me. My organization is big enough that not everyone's on the same page." Aren't they talking about the mother base attack by XOF?
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Ekusukariba posted:Aren't they talking about the mother base attack by XOF? Either that or Paz going nuts with ZEKE, I'm not sure. But both are Skull Face.
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Paz was an independent agent on an organizational level equivalent to Skull Face, if only because of requirements of being in deep cover. In the extended Paz journal in GZ I think it comes out and says she only wanted control over Peace Walker as a bargaining chip. They definitely say that her work was discovered by Chico and she decided to go hot with the Peace Walker to try and get out before her cover was blown.
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