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The Vosgian Beast posted:I'm not British so I'm probably missing something. Oh, I know this one. It comes from Making Beliefs Pay Rent. See, Christians with their unfalsifiable beliefs in unobservable things are doing it badly, because they don't act like they believe the things they say they believe. Although they pay lip service to Mark and Luke saying that Christians can handle poisonous snakes without being bitten or Christ's statement that you can literally move a mountain with faith, they don't try to do these things: they run away from deadly snakes and drive through tunnels, like everyone else. People who believe in the unfalsifiable unobservable Cthulhu memeplex, however, definitely act like they believe the things they say. They expect opposition to their ideas in popular culture, they are not surprised when people revile them or call them insane; put simply there is no gulf between their professed beliefs and their actions. A LessWronger will say that there's no difference between the Cthulhu memeplex and gravity: both act invisibly but produce predictable effects. A more astute LessWronger will conclude by saying that there's also no difference between the Cthulhu memeplex and phlogiston: they both do an excellent job predicting observed behavior but provide no novel insights.
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SolTerrasa posted:Oh, I know this one. It comes from Making Beliefs Pay Rent. See, Christians with their unfalsifiable beliefs in unobservable things are doing it badly, because they don't act like they believe the things they say they believe. Although they pay lip service to Mark and Luke saying that Christians can handle poisonous snakes without being bitten or Christ's statement that you can literally move a mountain with faith, they don't try to do these things: they run away from deadly snakes and drive through tunnels, like everyone else. People who believe in the unfalsifiable unobservable Cthulhu memeplex, however, definitely act like they believe the things they say. They expect opposition to their ideas in popular culture, they are not surprised when people revile them or call them insane; put simply there is no gulf between their professed beliefs and their actions. A LessWronger will say that there's no difference between the Cthulhu memeplex and gravity: both act invisibly but produce predictable effects. A more astute LessWronger will conclude by saying that there's also no difference between the Cthulhu memeplex and phlogiston: they both do an excellent job predicting observed behavior but provide no novel insights. loving faithtards
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The Vosgian Beast posted:loving faithtards Well, yeah, obviously the stupid ones will just ignore the fact that their opinions conflict, and the marginally less stupid ones will go "  grey tribe signalling ", but the question of why stupid people join cults is boring compared to the question of what mental backflips otherwise-apparently-intelligent people use to justify their phyg membership.That's why I like mocking LessWrong so much: not only are they mostly intelligent people, they also worship the concept of intelligence, and so their mental backflips have to be more intricate.
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SolTerrasa posted:mostly intelligent people, Lol. If you go by the phrenology test they're so fond of, I guess.
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Another installment of Clarkhat saying dumb NRx poo poo on twitter: https://twitter.com/ClarkHat/status/649935876672385025
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Merdifex posted:Another installment of Clarkhat saying dumb NRx poo poo on twitter: I like how he has to specify the "first" US Civil War.
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Holy poo poo, I'm still making my way through this thread, but it seems like these Dark Enlightened are going to hold the record for how far you can crawl up your own rear end for a long time.
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Woolie Wool posted:He has a way of making cake sound disgusting. Zohar posted:Except the adoption of twee signifiers of middle-class Britishness does, in fact, go hand in hand with right-wing opinions. coyo7e has a new favorite as of 02:03 on Oct 3, 2015 |
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Merdifex posted:Another installment of Clarkhat saying dumb NRx poo poo on twitter: I don't know how Ken manages not to die of Fremdscham every time Clarkhat starts spouting off on his "totally not NRx!" poo poo.
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His murder-boner is so turgid I can practically see it pressing up against the inside of my monitor. Holster that thing before someone gets hurt, patriot! PS: load your rifle and rev up your rascal, cuz we deffo gunna take yer guns.
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SolTerrasa posted:That's why I like mocking LessWrong so much: not only are they mostly intelligent people, they also worship the concept of intelligence, and so their mental backflips have to be more intricate. Actually, it's the opposite: intelligent people can be more susceptible to dumb poo poo, because the only backflip they need is "I am too smart to fall for dumb poo poo, therefore anything I believe is automatically correct and needs no examination."
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Puppy Time posted:Actually, it's the opposite: intelligent people can be more susceptible to dumb poo poo, because the only backflip they need is "I am too smart to fall for dumb poo poo, therefore anything I believe is automatically correct and needs no examination." I think there was a reddit thread recently where someone with a phd in physics pointed out science errors in big Yuds fanfic, and Yud concluded without reading them that there was no possible way he would have made multiple mistakes, so the physicist must be a liar.
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uber_stoat posted:His murder-boner is so turgid I can practically see it pressing up against the inside of my monitor. Holster that thing before someone gets hurt, patriot!
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Didn't the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising end really, really badly? I see it mentioned by the pro-gun guys all the time but didn't the rebels lose horribly while doing almost no damage in a massive human tragedy?
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Night10194 posted:Didn't the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising end really, really badly? I see it mentioned by the pro-gun guys all the time but didn't the rebels lose horribly while doing almost no damage in a massive human tragedy? This is, I would say, not a very good analogy. Usually it seems to be an implicit threat of political violence against one's opponents, a subject generally considered to be unacceptable, except, I guess, on this particular topic. Like you'll notice he all but says "We will all rise up and do a terrorism over this, just you watch," including threatening the families of federal agents, blasting jetliners on tarmacs, and so on. I assume the idea is to intimidate the Man into compliance, whereas I expect people would actually get really afraid of the domestic terrorist uprising, real fast.
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Oh, I know that much, hence referring to it as a massive human tragedy. They had absolutely no choice. I just mean, didn't they barely even inconvenience their attackers? As in, it's not a very good example of 'And then brave civilians with guns defeated the army' like the pro-gun types like to cite it as.
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Night10194 posted:Oh, I know that much, hence referring to it as a massive human tragedy. They had absolutely no choice. I just mean, didn't they barely even inconvenience their attackers? As in, it's not a very good example of 'And then brave civilians with guns defeated the army' like the pro-gun types like to cite it as.
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It should be noted there was a second uprising in Warsaw by the Polish underground in 1944, which failed mostly because the Soviets decided not to continue their attack when they reached the outskirts of Warsaw and the uprising broke lose. They were much better equipped than the Jews and still failed.
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Night10194 posted:Oh, I know that much, hence referring to it as a massive human tragedy. They had absolutely no choice. I just mean, didn't they barely even inconvenience their attackers? As in, it's not a very good example of 'And then brave civilians with guns defeated the army' like the pro-gun types like to cite it as. I mean, they held out longer than France. That's not so bad.
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Patrick Spens posted:I mean, they held out longer than France. That's not so bad. I think I was getting the two uprisings confused or something. Also the numbers I remembered were the numbers the Germans gave and, you know, never trust German casualty figures from WWII, particularly not ones that are all 'Yes this event did absolutely nothing to our invincible army.'
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http://greyenlightenment.com/trickle-up-economics-policy-and-neo-liberals/
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ArchangeI posted:It should be noted there was a second uprising in Warsaw by the Polish underground in 1944, which failed mostly because the Soviets decided not to continue their attack when they reached the outskirts of Warsaw and the uprising broke lose. They were much better equipped than the Jews and still failed. Wasnt that deliberate on Stalin's part to ensure there wouldn't arise a Tito like seperate commie power structure?
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I don't even  . How the hell can you possibly draw the conclusion from that graph that we need to tax the poor people even more? Holy gently caress, we have more subsidies to the rich than we do to the poor!
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Job Creators, though.
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coyo7e posted:You first said the cupcake thing was easy to read, and then you write this Yeah?
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A White Guy posted:I don't even These fucks do not understand what society is.
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Dear Mr Land, please just stop talking.Nick Land, Worse Writer Than Mencius Moldbug posted:The basic tenets of Heroic Reaction: Translated back into English, that means "the neo-Nazis will realise the gay Jewish SF nerdoreactionaries are stupid and twee and tell them to gently caress off" (or "neotenous" if we want to rejargonise, which of course we don't). Given TheRightStuff, this has basically already happened, so Nick has (a) predicted the past (b) attempted neologism.
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Somfin posted:These fucks do not understand what society is. I'd make a reference to the 1989 movie Society, but no one would get it. divabot posted:Dear Mr Land, please just stop talking. gently caress yes splinter sects. Let it never be said the Far Right is far less fractious than the Far Left
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I dunno, the modern U.S. mainstream political system has done a pretty good job of getting them all marching in one direction, mostly. Don't mundane plutocrats have a history of being able to control, manipulate, and use fascist undercurrent until, well, they can't anymore?
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I am now enlightenedOnmi posted:Okay no, I'm actually jumping in and stopping this one. That's not what Sad Puppies was about and that's definitely not what Rabid Puppies was about. Onmi posted:See you can call it that but when you want to be an SF or Fantasy writer you get told over and over "The hugos are the most important thing, the most grand prize for you." So learning that, no, they aren't and no, it actually doesn't matter how good you are as a writer, it just matters how good a friend you are with everyone else. Kinda heartbreaking a little. I mean liberating because you realize "gently caress it, who cares what these people think?" But if you idolized that stuff growing up it can hurt if you made that your job. Onmi posted:
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The science fiction community sacrificing an entire year of awards just to spit in Vox's face is giving him what he wanted? Sure.
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Patrick Spens posted:I mean, they held out longer than France. That's not so bad. When some group gets cocky about their ability to hold off the government with their guns I like to imagine how well their guns would do against carpet bombing or nukes, as opposed to however it is they think the US government would fight a civil war in TYOOL 2015. The US federal government has never half assed its response to states seceding from the Union.
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Yeah the entire notion of a militia against the US Army or National Guard is a completely stupid fantasy. If the poo poo really hit the metaphorical fan, the powers that be would probably use drones, tanks, or that truck-mounted microwave raygun thing they invented a few years back for "riot dispersion." Go and watch people's tactical gun practice videos on YouTube and you will see a level of self-delusion that is appropriate for a seven year old. Adult men (some of them over 50 and 60) talking about how they're going to blow away the home invaders and "bad guys" who attack one at a time like in a kung fu movie. Like, for contrast, consider war-torn countries where gangs of foot soldiers and mercenaries roam the countryside with AKs. There are plenty of guns to be had, but that doesn't stop anyone from getting shot in the head and their sister or mother dragged off. A personal gun collection is a really poor substitute for a functioning state or the rule of law.
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I'm sure its more a freikorps like fantasy where they go after despised minority groups while cops and military stand aside and let them do their thing with silent approval or the latter just dressing in civilian clothes to do it.
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Cardboard Box A posted:I am now enlightened The Star Citizen thread never stops delivering.
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Heresiarch posted:The Star Citizen thread never stops delivering. Half of them are mad cultists praying to Chris Roberts to Rapture them away to video game heaven and smite the unbelievers. The other half are mad cultists praying to Derek Smart to Rapture them away to video game heaven and smite the SJW's 
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neonnoodle posted:Yeah the entire notion of a militia against the US Army or National Guard is a completely stupid fantasy. If the poo poo really hit the metaphorical fan, the powers that be would probably use drones, tanks, or that truck-mounted microwave raygun thing they invented a few years back for "riot dispersion." Both the gun nuts and some of the posters here are asking the wrong question. The question is not whether the Real Americans can Take Their Country Back, it's whether a crazy right-wing insurgency could render the United States an ungovernable failed state. That would be the outcome of a "successful" attempt at "CW2"--not some fascist's utopia, but a violence-ridden hellhole where rule of law has collapsed and warlordism runs rampant. You'll still have to pay your taxes, but you'll pay them to Lord Humongous and his men will break your legs and enslave your children if you don't pay. DarklyDreaming posted:Half of them are mad cultists praying to Chris Roberts to Rapture them away to video game heaven and smite the unbelievers. The other half are mad cultists praying to Derek Smart to Rapture them away to video game heaven and smite the SJW's I always feel strange when among Wing Commander fans, because I think Roberts is a hack and his best work was in the first two games, when he had much better designers and writers like Warren Spector helping him, and the technology didn't allow for Mark Hamill to have a ten-minute conversation with a guy in a fursuit. The WC3 fursuits are so terrible. I can't believe people think that's an improvement over WC2.
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Woolie Wool posted:Both the gun nuts and some of the posters here are asking the wrong question. The question is not whether the Real Americans can Take Their Country Back, it's whether a crazy right-wing insurgency could render the United States an ungovernable failed state. That would be the outcome of a "successful" attempt at "CW2"--not some fascist's utopia, but a violence-ridden hellhole where rule of law has collapsed and warlordism runs rampant. You'll still have to pay your taxes, but you'll pay them to Lord Humongous and his men will break your legs and enslave your children if you don't pay. ... that's not a fascist utopia?
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