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Absurd Alhazred posted:Saw this on Facebook:  BonoMan posted:Yeah a ton of variants on that are showing up on my facebook feed. I thought "hey that's from an SA poster!" I guess not... 
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Trabisnikof posted:Also the Brady Campaign doesn't have an entire industry funding it.
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SubponticatePoster posted:Aw, and I thought I was being original Yeah, convergent evolution. Really, it's hard to think of something that nobody else has ever thought of. But it's still something you thought of without hearing it from someone else. So you can be proud. 
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jackofarcades posted:Obama is one of the most polarizing figures ever. If he wants meaningful gun control passed he's better off not getting involved.
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Young Freud posted:One of the biggest gun control acts, the National Firearms Act of 1934, which created the categories of firearms and accessories, restricting the sale of machineguns, short-barrel rifles, and suppressors, and developed the whole regulation, trusts, and transfer system of the ATF, that was created with the help of the NRA. The NRA even compromised on the bill, because its proponents had originally wanted handguns and revolvers to be regulated as a Title II, but they got suppressors regulated instead. I do not accept the guns are like abortion narrative. One is a tool created by consenting adults to oblitate other persons and the other is a tool created by consenting adults to obliterate minorities. Wait gently caress did I just prove guns are people?
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It's too bad that you might be mildly inconvenienced in purchasing murder tools I guess but I don't think this should be compared to abortion clinics
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Oct 3, 2015 20:01
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Rent-A-Cop posted:I'd be interested in knowing what the NRA's funding breakdown is between memberships and grants/donations. This is 2010 I guess. Couldn't really find anything more recent. I'd assuming it's changed quite a bit since 2012.  More recent but no real hard number: http://www.businessinsider.com/gun-industry-funds-nra-2013-1
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Oct 3, 2015 20:01
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If in SF gun buyers fear getting recorded, so the gun store shuts down. That sounds like a community deciding guns aren't that important. And before you say recording sales is pointless, SF actually has an institutional issue with gun running. Ask Shrimp Boy. Plus, you don't have to go to loving Nevada, just another county.
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Absurd Alhazred posted:Looking forward to NRA and such coming up with sensible gun control to increase public safety. So far all I hear is scaremongering and a complete refusal to engage with the issue. Since this has worked fine for them to achieve their ends for the last four decades or so, why would they feel the need to do anything else?
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RuanGacho posted:I do not accept the guns are like abortion narrative. One is a tool created by consenting adults to oblitate other persons and the other is a tool created by consenting adults to obliterate minorities. I don't think you have to accept the narrative in order to get that the promise of incremental inconveniences amounting to de facto restriction has a chilling effect on the willingness to compromise. Whether you agree with the comparison isn't the point; the comparison can be made, and the fact that people make it is important. If lots of people wanted to ban cars you'd see more resistance to emission standards and vehicle registration laws, for instance.
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Videotaping a gun sale seems completely reasonable and not difficult considering the vast number of retail stores that already use CCTV see the register. If customers are running away from stores because of it that says more about them than the regulation.
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What are the benefits to being an NRA member anyways? Is it just so you get the standard bearing baseball cap that let's everyone know you're a card carrying pile of white trash or what?
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Trabisnikof posted:If in SF gun buyers fear getting recorded, so the gun store shuts down. That sounds like a community deciding guns aren't that important. And before you say recording sales is pointless, SF actually has an institutional issue with gun running. Ask Shrimp Boy.
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Trabisnikof posted:If in SF gun buyers fear getting recorded, so the gun store shuts down. That sounds like a community deciding guns aren't that important. And before you say recording sales is pointless, SF actually has an institutional issue with gun running. Ask Shrimp Boy. Although the kind of poo poo he was running out of his senate office you can't buy at your average gun store. Ran Mad Dog posted:What are the benefits to being an NRA member anyways? Is it just so you get the standard bearing baseball cap that let's everyone know you're a card carrying pile of white trash or what?
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Ran Mad Dog posted:What are the benefits to being an NRA member anyways? Is it just so you get the standard bearing baseball cap that let's everyone know you're a card carrying pile of white trash or what? 
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LOL more like "School shooting not included". Jesus Christ.
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Ran Mad Dog posted:LOL more like "School shooting not included". I don't follow.
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I mean, the way that image is presented and the items shown brings back I don't know what's reminding me of it, but I can barely recall an arrangement nearly exactly like that one years ago that the shooters used to "show off their goods" to the net before they went out and killed a bunch of people. It probably wasn't Columbine though, I have no idea which one because there are so loving many school shootings at this point. Ran Mad Dog fucked around with this message at 20:29 on Oct 3, 2015 |
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Young Freud posted:One of the biggest gun control acts, the National Firearms Act of 1934, which created the categories of firearms and accessories, restricting the sale of machineguns, short-barrel rifles, and suppressors, and developed the whole regulation, trusts, and transfer system of the ATF, that was created with the help of the NRA. The NRA even compromised on the bill, because its proponents had originally wanted handguns and revolvers to be regulated as a Title II, but they got suppressors regulated instead. I know. The NRA of 80 years ago is pretty different from the NRA of today. The NRA was in favor of gun control when segregation was still all the rage. As more modern firearms and gadgets have gained popularity, the NRA has made a pretty serious shift in various positions. I dislike the NRA and fortunately always had alternate ranges I could go to that didn't require NRA membership. Also any organization that let Wayne LaPierre speak for them and pays Palin to show up at events is obviously pretty stupid.
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Ran Mad Dog posted:I mean, the way that image is presented and the items shown brings back Bitching about that display would be like bitching about a PADI certification ad that includes a mask, flippers, and dive knife in the picture. It's an NRA duffle bag showing a gun and equipment you should be using at the range. Just showing a picture of the bag and nothing else would be half-assed marketing at best.
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I dunno man That Bag looks like the bag of of a cold hearted trenchcoat donning killer to me.. (Just kidding I'm really goddamn tired and likely can't think straight at this point)
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Ran Mad Dog posted:I mean, the way that image is presented and the items shown brings back Ah, okay, that'll be it--I haven't seen this photo you're reminded of so I read "duffle bag=mass shooting" as a weird leap.
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Oct 3, 2015 20:42
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RuanGacho posted:I do not accept the guns are like abortion narrative. One is a tool created by consenting adults to oblitate other persons and the other is a tool created by consenting adults to obliterate minorities. Luigi Thirty posted:It's too bad that you might be mildly inconvenienced in purchasing murder tools I guess but I don't think this should be compared to abortion clinics You guys realize the person who said that is trying to explain to you the mindset of the people you're disagreeing with by comparing it to a belief you have, yeah? Of course you don't think it's a legitimate comparison, if you did you would have different beliefs. But to them, in their minds, in their beliefs and opinions, that they view gun regulation similar to how you view abortion regulation. Trying to say it's not a valid comparison is totally missing the point.
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It's not a valid comparison because what is wrong and what is right is not a matter of view point. Reality is objective. Letting women have control of their own bodies is not the same as letting people have access to deadly weaponry as easily as possible.
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Venom Snake posted:It's not a valid comparison because what is wrong and what is right is not a matter of view point. Reality is objective. Right and wrong are subjects of morality, which is most definitely not objective.
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There are people who believe abortion is senseless murder and that guns are an inalienable right given to us by a divinely inspired historical document to defend ourselves from oppression. I mean yeah I personally think that's dumb too but good luck getting people to listen to you by telling them how objectively morally wrong they are.
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Venom Snake posted:It's not a valid comparison because what is wrong and what is right is not a matter of view point. Reality is objective. Wrap it up, philosophers, Venom Snake is here!
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mlmp08 posted:Wrap it up, philosophers, Venom Snake is here!
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Venom Snake posted:It's not a valid comparison because what is wrong and what is right is not a matter of view point. Reality is objective. Letting women have control of their own bodies is not the same as letting people have access to deadly weaponry as easily as possible. Whether or not it's a valid comparison isn't actually important.
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What's great is, anti-regulation advocates have won, nothing will happen. No one will make it harder for them to buy a gun or murder an acquaintance. But they still have to pretend that the boogie man is out there, only seconds away from taking their guns.
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All the arguments against regulation are bullshit, everyone knows they're bullshit, and that is why gun nuts gish gallop around bringing up flaws of past regulation and trying to change the subject. You, personally YOU, have no right to murder other people. You may have a right to self defense but guns are awful for self defense. These mass shootings won't end until the number of guns in circulation is greatly reduced. Then struggling outcast men will have to throw temper tantrums with far less lethal means.
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Trabisnikof posted:What's great is, anti-regulation advocates have won, nothing will happen. No one will make it harder for them to buy a gun or murder an acquaintance. True at the federal level for now. Not really at the state level where, as I've said a bunch before, gun owners dislike the laws and gun control advocates dislike the laws. In plenty of states you can still get a semi-auto handgun or rifle that will kill the poo poo out of some people if you want to, but you'll have a bunch of dumbass cosmetic limitations or goofy magazines or, you're allowed to own a ten round magazine but you're just not allowed to fill it all the way up or else you're a criminal (NY). Fortunately, the courts ruled against the portion of the law that said you could own ten round magazines but if you loaded 8 rounds you were a bad, bad person. AFAIK, the only similar restrictions to fully loading a magazine in the US stems from hunting laws and only applies when out hunting.
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dogs named Charlie posted:All the arguments against regulation are bullshit, everyone knows they're bullshit, and that is why gun nuts gish gallop around bringing up flaws of past regulation and trying to change the subject. You, personally YOU, have no right to murder other people. You may have a right to self defense but guns are awful for self defense. These mass shootings won't end until the number of guns in circulation is greatly reduced. Then struggling outcast men will have to throw temper tantrums with far less lethal means. Murdering people is already illegal, and I personally believe that prior restraint is a poisonous policy. Guns are also the most effective means of individual self defense available. Trabisnikof posted:What's great is, anti-regulation advocates have won, nothing will happen. No one will make it harder for them to buy a gun or murder an acquaintance. Maybe not federally, but people in New York, Maryland, Connecticut, Colorado, and California have all had to deal with more onerous restrictions on the ownership of firearms passed in the last four years. On the federal level, Feinstein and other Democrats made a serious push at re-instituting the AWB, which had to be headed off by a push from the pro-gun rights camp.
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Dead Reckoning posted:Murdering people is already illegal, and I personally believe that prior restraint is a poisonous policy. Guns are also the most effective means of individual self defense available. Why do people feel they need a gun to be safe in America. I feel perfectly safe and I don't even have a knife in easy reach. E: Also on the ineffectiveness of having a gun for self defence. A man recently attacked a family with a knife. One of those family members was armed. Then man then took the gun and went on to shoot other people with it. A gun will only protect you from harm in very specific and very rare circumstances. Funky See Funky Do fucked around with this message at 22:06 on Oct 3, 2015 |
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Dead Reckoning posted:Guns are also the most effective means of individual self defense available. http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonkblog/wp/2015/06/19/guns-in-america-for-every-criminal-killed-in-self-defense-34-innocent-people-die/ You may not have the right to commit murder but as of right now people have the right to own an object that can, in the most casual way possible, end lives very quickly and easily. It shouldn't be that way
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Dead Reckoning posted:Murdering people is already illegal, and I personally believe that prior restraint is a poisonous policy. Guns are also the most effective means of individual self defense available. Can someone explain to me the justification for the 2nd in a modern context, I'm trying to figure out if nation states have a right to MAD or not. I'm concerned that California doesn't have the rights it needs to defend itself against Alabama.
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guns are also the most effective means of suicide available, which is the main reason i'm against gun control
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dogs named Charlie posted:That's really hosed up seeing as Agreed. Ban automobiles in favor of light rail.
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Funky See Funky Do posted:Why do people feel they need a gun to be safe in America. I feel perfectly safe and I don't even have a knife in easy reach. Because they're paranoid cowards.
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