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Somebody point me to a state that bans driving with ADD or boating with ADD or operating heavy machinery (caterpillars) Edit: for once I may be wrong. Looks like trucking industry has gotten worse than airplanes. You can have add adhd but if you're on the medicine (stumulants) you may be in for a world of hurt. I think this boils down to stimulant use than anything else, however. Same thing for Allegra D ? Captain Apollo fucked around with this message at 01:24 on Oct 3, 2015 |
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Actually. I'm not wrong. 3rd class medical is the drivers license equivalent for sport pilots and hopefully private GA airplanes right? I personally think (in my world) you can have ADD and fly an airplane. Remember, they have to actually get in a cockpit sometime right? Shouldn't it be the CFI making the decisions on flight ability instead of the Feds?
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One of the things I got corrected for a lot in training was fixating on a particular instrument, or the panel in general. You're supposed to divide your attention among things like visual traffic scan, instrument scan, radio work, getting wx info, getting nav info/pilotage, managing the engine and other systems, etc. Seems kind of like an ADD paradise.
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Oct 3, 2015 01:49
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Rickety Cricket posted:I'm one of those kids, had to go through the special issuance route. The liberal diagnosis' of ADD is loving bullshit Out of curiosity, what was the process for this like?
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Oct 3, 2015 05:28
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Animal posted:Mesa rejected their TA by 86%; 80% participation. 80% participation? That's some tournament-level apathy right there. Do you have a quick review of the TA so I can render a snap judgment?
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Oct 3, 2015 14:27
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fordan posted:So the medical reform in the Pilot's Bill of Rights 2 has been watered down a fair bit. With the new language: If something heart/mental/neuro-related happens after the initial issuance, I'd assume they'd also be subject to the once-through-the-SI-process? My first two issuances were fine before the sleep apnea (resolved the hard way) and minor, resolved depression episode. I think Sully's a shill a good bit of the time, but agree with him that the FAA's mental health processes & policies shouldn't be punitive (as was said when he visited the Senate over the Summer). I get they're trying to protect against people who may have visions of going out in a blaze of glory like the Germanwings F/O, but how many people out there with anxiety or depression are otherwise normal people who have no negative intent and just want to fly for fun and/or a career? Speaking of Sully, what happened with the FAA Reauthorization that had to be approved by 9-30-15?
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Oct 3, 2015 15:06
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CBJSprague24 posted:I get they're trying to protect against people who may have visions of going out in a blaze of glory like the Germanwings F/O Or EgyptAir 990, SilkAir 185, Royal Air Maroc 630, JAL 350, LAM Mozambique 470.... Or the guy that intentionally crashed his plane into the IRS office that one time. To be honest, it's not an insignificant risk. I don't think the medical system should be punitive, but I would like to make very sure that anyone flying a plane is mentally fit to do so. I don't particularly care if someone is being treated for a mental illness if it's working, mind you.
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CBJSprague24 posted:Speaking of Sully, what happened with the FAA Reauthorization that had to be approved by 9-30-15? Congress passed and president signed a CR to fund the FAA through the end of March 2016. I think the government in whole is also funded through the end of December.
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Oct 3, 2015 17:51
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PT6A posted:Or EgyptAir 990, SilkAir 185, Royal Air Maroc 630, JAL 350, LAM Mozambique 470.... There is 0% chance of being treated for a mental illness if you will be fired from your job for even hinting that you have one.
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hobbesmaster posted:There is 0% chance of being treated for a mental illness if you will be fired from your job for even hinting that you have one. I agree, I've never said the medical system as it exists is perfect.
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Oct 3, 2015 20:13
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https://vimeo.com/8511733 717 recovering from an inverted attitude due to wake turbulence encounter (planned, as part of flight test) incorrectly and losing 9000 feet in the process. Argh.... E: the wake encounter was planned, not the inverted attitude...
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I find something emotionally moving in professionals calmly handling their poo poo.
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Jealous Cow posted:I find something emotionally moving in professionals calmly handling their poo poo. Well no, these professionals grossly mishandled their poo poo though. Repost of what I wrote about this on Facebook: This video is horrifying to watch, and these guys are lucky to be alive. As others have noted, (both on Vimeo and on here) the correct response would have been to roll the airplane to wings-level. The pilot here did the wrongest thing possible, which is to pull around through the bottom. Because he did that, he lost 9000 feet, (you can see by counting the 500ft. marks on the PFD) gained too much speed (I assume he oversped the airplane; maybe someone more familiar with Boeing/Douglas aural alarms can say) and if he didn't over stress the airframe, it was still subjected to many more G's than it had to. Though I can't blame him too much, since reflexively pulling back on the stick/yoke is the natural response to most sudden and/or scary situations (especially this one), if training pilots in acrobatics and upset recovery for years has taught me anything. While developing the skill and reaction to do the right thing (and the fortitude to actually do it in the face of the overwhelming natural urge to do the wrong thing, after a split second presentation) takes a lot of rigorous training, that training was probably paid a box-checking lip service, as it is with most pilots. I have seen many of my students struggle with this situation after doing it over many repetitions over many flight, in actual airplanes, from the full range of attitudes. (I.e., much more meaningful training than a handful of times in a sim, from 60 degrees bank, every 6 months). If they would have trouble after that type of training, unfortunately we have no reason to expect better from non-aerobaric trained pilots, and these are the results. What's even more horrifying is that this was a presumably better-qualified crew than your average line pilot, seeing that they were assigned to an actual wake turbulence flight test program; so from them you would expect to see a better response. Therefore, either: a) someone assigned a random crew to conduct a test with an obvious risk of an unusual attitude, but without the qualification to be able to handle it, or b) the crew did have such a qualification (like a flight test background) but even that training was lacking for the situation that was faced.
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Sadly a friend of mine passed away yesterday in a crash while doing survey work for a canal being built in Nicaragua. From what I've read on Nicaraguan news sites, the weather was clear that day and the plane was checked in the morning for any mechanical issues, so I have no idea what went wrong. I noticed in the article that "curiously, a deployed parachute was found among the wreckage" which I found odd because to my knowledge (as well as another friend who is also a pilot), parachutes aren't generally found in most cockpits, and flying low for survey work makes the likelihood of a successful deployment really low. Does anyone have any ideas on what may have happened here? He's leaving behind two young boys 
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vessbot posted:https://vimeo.com/8511733 That's insane.
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Supersonic posted:Sadly a friend of mine passed away yesterday in a crash while doing survey work for a canal being built in Nicaragua. From what I've read on Nicaraguan news sites, the weather was clear that day and the plane was checked in the morning for any mechanical issues, so I have no idea what went wrong. I noticed in the article that "curiously, a deployed parachute was found among the wreckage" which I found odd because to my knowledge (as well as another friend who is also a pilot), parachutes aren't generally found in most cockpits, and flying low for survey work makes the likelihood of a successful deployment really low. Does anyone have any ideas on what may have happened here? He's leaving behind two young boys Sorry for your personal loss. All I can say is that in some places (no idea if Nicaragua is one of them) it's common for parachutes to be worn in all GA flying instead of just for aerobatics.
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Hauldren Collider posted:Out of curiosity, what was the process for this like? I went in for my first medical, I applied for 1st class since I'm career oriented and there's no point in going through all the training if I can't pass a 1st class. It was deferred there at the doctor's office because I had taken an ADD medicine in high school (I'd been off it for several years by this point). I'm not sure if my case was kicked all the way to Oklahoma City or just to the regional medical guy in NYC (named Michael Jordan, btw) - either way it was literally months between my AME visit and my first contact from the FAA. They sent a big packet detailing a number of tests I would have to go through, administered by a psychologist, to the tune of a couple thousand dollars. The guy who prescribed the ADD meds was able to recommend someone, I went to see her and did the tests over 2 days. I'll detail as many of the tests as I can remember: - One involved a computer, where random letters would pop on the screen, and you had to click the mouse for every letter except X and Z (just for example). So letters would pop up: A (click) Q (click) F (click) H (click) (L) click and you'd get into this rhythm, click click click, and all of a sudden X would pop up and *click*. gently caress. Everytime that happened I could feel my medical slipping away. - Another test involved her dictating some ridiculously detailed story ("Johnny is 6 ft 6 inches tall and woke up at 8:42 am on Wednesday morning, he went to the store and bought a small decaf coffee for $1.92 he then caught the 9:13 number 2 bus to his office in Finkle street where he works as a taxidermist on the 8th floor...") and then afterward she would ask me to recall as many details of the story as I could. - Word association. She would say some word and I would have to say the first thing that popped into my head, or how it made me feel, something like that - A 'puzzle' (like the picture except only a few rings, scattered throughout all 3 pillars) where you'd have to get all rings in order on one pillar in the smallest amount of moves - A rorschach test, this one actually made me the most uncomfortable. Tell me this doesn't look like a vagina? - A TON of 300 question multiple choice personality tests - those were unbearable There's definitely some more tests I've probably blocked from my memory. The whole process was really stressful and completely unnecessary, cause I knew I was fine. She crunched numbers and data for about a week before preparing her report for the FAA saying she saw no signs of ADD. Her report was sent back to Dr. Michael Jordan in NYC and my special issuance came in the mail a few weeks later. Even though it was 1st class, the terms of the SI were that the medical was no good after 12 months, so rather than regress to a 2nd or 3rd class I had to go in for another exam, which went off without a hitch. What sucked the most out of all this was that her office was right under the approach/departure path of DCA so every few minutes an airplane would roar past and I wanted to press my face to the window and yell "AIRPLANE!!  " and I was afraid she would notice my eyes flicking to the window every so often and think "man this kid can't even focus on this conversation for 5 minutes"
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Rickety Cricket posted:I wanted to press my face to the window and yell "AIRPLANE!! If this was all it took to lose your medical there would be literally no pilots left. Glad to hear it all worked out for you. Dealing with the train wreck of bureaucracy that is the FAA is a rough intro into the aviation world and I'm guessing there are a lot of people in your situation that would have just given up.
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Rickety Cricket posted:I went in for my first medical, I applied for 1st class since I'm career oriented and there's no point in going through all the training if I can't pass a 1st class. It was deferred there at the doctor's office because I had taken an ADD medicine in high school (I'd been off it for several years by this point). I'm not sure if my case was kicked all the way to Oklahoma City or just to the regional medical guy in NYC (named Michael Jordan, btw) - either way it was literally months between my AME visit and my first contact from the FAA. They sent a big packet detailing a number of tests I would have to go through, administered by a psychologist, to the tune of a couple thousand dollars. The guy who prescribed the ADD meds was able to recommend someone, I went to see her and did the tests over 2 days. I'll detail as many of the tests as I can remember: I forget what this test battery is but I went through the same thing after being knocked cold in a boxing match. It's terrible. vessbot posted:https://vimeo.com/8511733 So watching that, he immediately chops power and looks like he pulls flaps too. He didn't completely pull through the bottom but he got drat close. Either way, I've always learned roll level and pull to the nearest horizon. Not the farthest like he did haha Bob A Feet fucked around with this message at 22:44 on Oct 4, 2015 |
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vessbot posted:https://vimeo.com/8511733 Not having flown the 717 but having flown other jets. The stall recovery is pretty much what I would do, we can sustain less lateral g than vertical g, so the remainder made sense. Power all the way off, wings are levelled, pull to horizontal. Stay power off until a slow power application does not re-stall all the aircraft (it is weird, but yes, applying power on most jets puts you back into a worse stall). When we deep stalled the 757 in the sim at 35000 feet full recovery was achievable at 8000ft. We had a controllable glider at 15000.
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hjp766 posted:Not having flown the 717 but having flown other jets. Lateral Gs are not created from coordinated rolling, so that is not a factor. They are created from rudder application and its resultant side slip. (Rolling while pulling a.k.a. asymmetrical G, however, is a huge factor in this situation and is to be avoided.) Just to be clear, if you didn't watch the video carefully enough, after the initial upset the airplane was in an inverted roll attitude (upside down) with the pitch only slightly nose-down at 15 degrees below the horizon. Any source you find on the subject will say that the appropriate course of action from here is to roll the airplane to wings-level, and for good reason: to pull around the bottom is to lose tremendously more altitude than is necessary, gain too much speed (after a few more viewings, I can unsurprisingly hear an aural "overspeed" alarm) and, in turn, necessitate more G than necessary to pull out of the ensuing dive. If you think otherwise, then you really need to rethink this and I would highly recommend an unusual attitude recovery course (I actually would recommend this to everyone regardless of the situation). You also correctly list "wings are levelled" as the first step besides the power reduction, so I think that you have some confusion over what you saw in the video, as that is not what happened: the nose dropped from 15 to about 50-60 degrees nearly straight down before a very half-hearted roll (the wrong way) was begun, and the lowest pitch attitude was 70 degrees nose-down. The pilot also knew the right thing to do: the first thing out of his mouth after "stabilize, stabilize, stabilize" is "easy roll to the horizon" the nearest of which was to the left though. He probably remembered the initial left-rolling entry and, not entertaining the possibility he had gone 180 degrees, assumed he should return the way he came. Had he processed the information from the view outside, along with the artificial horizon, he would have recognized his attitude. So all the signs point to a delay in recognition and response due to wide-eyed shock and its resultant reduction of the capacity to process information. Every split second with the lift vector pointing at the ground is time spent making the situation worse. Bob A Feet posted:So watching that, he immediately chops power and looks like he pulls flaps too. He didn't completely pull through the bottom but he got drat close. Either way, I've always learned roll level and pull to the nearest horizon. Not the farthest like he did haha He pulled the speed brake. Flaps are on the right of the throttles.
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Who was sitting right seat? This is exactly something CRM is meant to fix.
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The story of how Donald Trump tried to run an airline by offering high-class meal and alcohol services on 45 minute flights on exquisitely-detailed 727s with brass window exit handles, offered Trump Casino chips as "frequent flyer perks" to try to coax people to his Atlantic City properties, and insisted his 727s be flown by two-man crews to save money: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/10/04/the-crash-of-trump-air.html
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vessbot posted:Lateral Gs are not created from coordinated rolling, so that is not a factor. They are created from rudder application and its resultant side slip. (Rolling while pulling a.k.a. asymmetrical G, however, is a huge factor in this situation and is to be avoided.) Now you make me wonder whether roll control on the 717 is also done using spoilers in the main. If so it may be why we have never tried rerolling (is that a word) as full stick application deploys full spoiler which could induce full stall and pitch down. I must remember to ask to be shown the unusual attitude control law next time I'm in the sim to see what is actually possible. Electric jets are weird.
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Dear Vessbot, Make an effort post on babbys first aerobatic lessons in airplanes cause you have a ton of knowledge and I don't even know where to start with this stuff.
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Oct 5, 2015 17:05
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American Airlines pilot died of illness while flying from Phoenix to Boston. http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/05/us/american-airlines-pilot-death/index.html
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Captain Apollo posted:Dear Vessbot, Yes please.
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dev null posted:American Airlines pilot died of illness while flying from Phoenix to Boston. That sucks. I wonder how old he was, and if over 60, if it will forever vanish all ideas of extending to age 67. Also, if the FO got captains pay for the remainder of the flight.
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Oct 5, 2015 18:46
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The French do not gently caress around with their labor negotiations.
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overdesigned posted:The French do not gently caress around with their labor negotiations. Does everyone at KLM and Delta wake up every morning and ask themselves "Why are working Air France?"
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Animal posted:Also, if the FO got captains pay for the remainder of the flight. The real questions
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and did he remember to log PIC
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The Slaughter posted:and did he remember to log PIC He's already at the majors so who cares!
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Animal posted:That sucks. I wonder how old he was, and if over 60, if it will forever vanish all ideas of extending to age 67. 57 with a double bypass in his history. http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/american-airlines-captain-who-died-flight-idd-57-year-old-n439066
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Latest news from New Zealand and AVweb: http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/news/Pilot-Faces-Jail-For-Rescue-Flight-224954-1.html quote:A helicopter pilot credited with saving the life of an injured hunter in New Zealand is facing a possible jail sentence because he did the flight with his license suspended for a suspected medical issue. Stuff.co reported Monday that police seized Dave Armstrong's logbooks after the flight in April of 2014 and now he's facing three charges relating to the incident. Scott Lee, the man who was rescued, is outraged. "He's done a heroic act in my eyes. If anything he deserves a medal for what he's done." Sounds like the guy took another licensed pilot. How in the world would anybody be stupid enough to say that they relinquished controls entirely and let the other helicopter pilot manuever the R-44. Why can't the other guy say he was PIC the whole time. This is really weird.
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That's the problem with lying. Sometimes you forget to do it.
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Wow, what a lesson to be learned.
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It sounds like the problem is that... he logged it. Otherwise, the other guy was the PIC, I don't see how it's any different than letting a child take the controls for a second during a Young Eagles flight...
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