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Once you have any skills on skaven, it can be good to take Kick on a linerat. With a deep enough cage you can often times get behind the los and disrupt a cage from forming in the first place. If it does form, you can do your best to screen, but you don't do at as well as elves due to all of your AGI 3 guys. You can make a crazy dive into the cage with a gutter runner - not super likely to be effective without the skills for it, but it can be worth trying, say once at the beginning of the drive and once if it looks like they're set to score next turn.
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I dont know if I can keep playing Bloodbowl. I just pulled the biggest elf bullshit I will ever pull. First Step: Wardancer1 Jumps into a cage on a chaos team, doing a -3db block that gets the ball free thanks to juggernaut. Ball gets on the ground next to 3 beastmen Second Step: Wardancer2 waltz into the ball, picks it up with nerves of steel and moves to safety a few squares away Third Step: Enemy retaliation turn, 5 blocks on Wardancer1. Not a single pow and he`s safe out of cage. The game ended up as a draw but holy poo poo that was amazing.
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Oct 4, 2015 02:35
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4-0 Humies vs Welves. Ended with 1 dead Welf, 3 injured, and 1 injured (and fired) linesman. Any elf bullshit would inevitability end in a failed 2+ roll, he wasn't very lucky. 
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Oct 4, 2015 03:32
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Depending on how well the cage is constructed you can screen it to halt progress and try to force a dumb desperation move, dodge around to the back or some other place with a hole in it, leap/wrestle/strip ball it because -2bs rule, or just beat the poo poo out of everyone not involved in the cage because there's up to 5 loving people invested in that thing and you can.
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Oct 4, 2015 04:03
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ProZocK posted:I dont know if I can keep playing Bloodbowl. I just pulled the biggest elf bullshit I will ever pull. This kind of thing is why people play vampires, you can just pull off the most bullshit moves with that team.
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Oct 4, 2015 04:33
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ProZocK posted:I dont know if I can keep playing Bloodbowl. I just pulled the biggest elf bullshit I will ever pull. Unless there is some Cyanide bullshit, Nerves of Steel doesn't help a pick up in tackle zones. That play is even more bullshit than you think.
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Oct 4, 2015 05:11
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ocrumsprug posted:Unless there is some Cyanide bullshit, Nerves of Steel doesn't help a pick up in tackle zones. That play is even more bullshit than you think. Good point, only skill that helps pick up in tackle zones is Big Hand. Also shows that the dice log in the new game is poo poo.
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Oct 4, 2015 05:33
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What there is is less confusing. It no longer tells you the roll before modification, for instance. It's just so slight that it can't keep up, there's not even enough space for all the rolls in a Troll TTM play.
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Oct 4, 2015 09:13
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I had a game against a wood elf team where nuffle smiled on him. I failed 80% of my rolls, the majority of my blocks ended up being double pushes and every single time a guy was "going for it" he tripped, even on a reroll. Retaliated on turn 16 by surrounding one of his best lineman and gang stomping out of sheer frustration. The fucker wasn't even stunned at 100%. gently caress you elves.
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Oct 4, 2015 09:35
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dogstile posted:I had a game against a wood elf team where nuffle smiled on him. I failed 80% of my rolls, the majority of my blocks ended up being double pushes and every single time a guy was "going for it" he tripped, even on a reroll. If you fully surrounded a wood elf lino for a foul it would be impossible to not get at least a stun.
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Oct 4, 2015 13:09
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Blackmage Yapo posted:If you fully surrounded a wood elf lino for a foul it would be impossible to not get at least a stun. Possible bug then? It was the final turn with my very last guys move and usually it'll come up with the apoc (which it didn't come up with) if it was an injury or stop for a second to tell me a lineman was stunned.
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Oct 4, 2015 13:32
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Fine, I've bought this stupid game a third time. The coaches I've seen streaming were too bad not to.dogstile posted:Possible bug then? It was the final turn with my very last guys move and usually it'll come up with the apoc (which it didn't come up with) if it was an injury or stop for a second to tell me a lineman was stunned. Assisting players were in tackle zones?
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Oct 4, 2015 13:37
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ocrumsprug posted:Unless there is some Cyanide bullshit, Nerves of Steel doesn't help a pick up in tackle zones. That play is even more bullshit than you think. Yeah, I misspoke, Just did some testing with a friend, and it didn't help. Guess it was even more bullshit than I though dogstile posted:I had a game against a wood elf team where nuffle smiled on him. I failed 80% of my rolls, the majority of my blocks ended up being double pushes and every single time a guy was "going for it" he tripped, even on a reroll. gently caress you man, turn 16 fouling is bullshit. ProZocK fucked around with this message at 14:42 on Oct 4, 2015 |
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Oct 4, 2015 14:39
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T16 fouling us definitely dirty, but they're just pixelmans.
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Oct 4, 2015 14:53
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dogstile posted:I had a game against a wood elf team where nuffle smiled on him. I failed 80% of my rolls, the majority of my blocks ended up being double pushes and every single time a guy was "going for it" he tripped, even on a reroll. I'm sorry the pixelmans made you angry 
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Oct 4, 2015 16:07
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I know many goons disagree with me, but this is how I think of T16 fouling: What is generally considered unacceptable behavior for Blood Bowl? Poor sportsmanship (insults, complaining), intentional slow-play, quitting a game, T16 Fouls. I think this can be divided into the two things: things in the rules, and things outside the rules. There are no rules about complaining about how your opponent is 'flash flash flash' all the time, or regarding talking about your opponent's promiscuous mother. But this is outside of the purview of the rules. The same goes for intentional slow play. What about quitting when someone kills your favorite precious snowflake or fouls on turn 16? Those are both within the rules of the game, but there is a difference. The concession rules are more a matter of reality, to allow completion if someone should have to leave before a game is done. It's not really in there as a anger outlet valve, but it can be misused in that way, and it's not like you can have no rule for a concession. On the other hand, fouling is also a part of the game. I'm not a BB historian, but I imagine it necessary because otherwise players could leave their valuable pieces laying down on the pitch so they could not be blocked anymore. It also can discourage stalling. Unlike ragequitting, a T16 foul is not an incorrect usage of a necessary part of the game. Now, don't get me wrong. T16 fouls are a bad idea: they gain you basically nothing. Casualties from fouls grant no SPP. In a normal round-robin tourney, you are weakening an opponent that you will not face again, which makes it easier on your other opponents, who may gain more SPP than they would have before facing you. Unless the opponent is a lock for the playoffs and you are too, the only thing it gets you is a little sick, twisted satisfaction from putting the boot in on Turn 16. So, where do we draw the line? Well, consider what you could get away with in person. If someone whined the whole game about getting diced, or mocked their opponent non-stop, or intentionally played slow to irritate their opponent, or quit when something went wrong, people might not willingly play with them anymore. It's still prevalent online because that shunning is less of an option there (unless you play in a curated league like MHI or something), since you have a huge pool of random people you won't see again. Also, consider that those behaviors are not specific to Blood Bowl. You can imagine the same thing happening when playing Magic or Bridge or Monopoly. T16 fouls are different. They are not a matter of bad behavior in the same way. It is a poor tactical choice that can harm your opponent and gains you nothing, but it is allowed in the rules of the game. There are compelling reasons not to do it. It's moderately impolite. But it is just not as bad as people make it out to be. If you want to do it, you should feel free to stomp your little heart out. But be ready for an intensely negative response. tl;dr T16 fouls now, T16 fouls tomorrow, and T16 fouls forever.
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Oct 4, 2015 16:11
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T16 fouls are completely polite as long as you do them right, namely: Announce that this unskilled lineman with no spp has a lovely name. Proceed to murder him allowing the coach to have a reason to come up with a better named lineman improving his team. Everyone profits.
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Oct 4, 2015 16:15
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My perspective is from a ~100 some TT games in my local league. Good Form: Laughing when you kill someone's manbarbie. Bad Form: Conceding Could go either way Form: T16 fouling (my league has player bounties, so people understand you want your candy bar/beer/  )
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Oct 4, 2015 16:22
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I see a T16 foul as proof positive I've made the other person mad about videogames, and it's like a cherry on top of my 3-0 Wood Elf victory. I expect and even plan for them now, and usually leave a lovely line elf or a journeyman prone near their pieces to facilitate their nerdrage while I pull my important pieces back. Makes me feel  as gently caress.
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Oct 4, 2015 16:28
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Fouling on turn 16 is only reasonable. But you should do it when you win, too. Don't do it just because you're pissed off.
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Oct 4, 2015 16:40
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Magnetic North posted:tl;dr T16 fouls now, T16 fouls tomorrow, and T16 fouls forever. Like the only correct statement in this whole conversation (edit) also what Funso Banjo just said
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Oct 4, 2015 16:41
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You should be a stone cold killer when you T16 foul, emotions dont even come into it. I only t16 foul to kill bashy teams before they get started (eg dwarves/chaos).
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Oct 4, 2015 16:44
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T16 fouls: rude in a goon pickup game, completely appropriate every other time. Exceptions are always made for gross stat monsters, of course. Speaking of we should bring back the fumbbl hit list.
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Oct 4, 2015 16:48
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Tekopo posted:You should be a stone cold killer when you T16 foul, emotions dont even come into it. I only t16 foul to kill bashy teams before they get started (eg dwarves/chaos). Don't care how they actually feel. Still makes them look like mad babies. Still makes me
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Oct 4, 2015 16:55
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ProZocK posted:gently caress you man, turn 16 fouling is bullshit. This is only going to make me do it more if i'm having a bad game. E-honour bullshit is bullshit. Haroshia posted:I see a T16 foul as proof positive I've made the other person mad about videogames, and it's like a cherry on top of my 3-0 Wood Elf victory. I expect and even plan for them now, and usually leave a lovely line elf or a journeyman prone near their pieces to facilitate their nerdrage while I pull my important pieces back. Makes me feel This guy did that, I was aiming for the wardancer that owned me every play. Smart player
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Oct 4, 2015 17:01
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dogstile posted:This guy did that, I was aiming for the wardancer that owned me every play. Smart player If you play Wood Elves with any frequency you pretty much expect this. Everybody gets salty as gently caress over elf bullshit and switches from trying to score to murderball after you get the second touchdown. The game becomes playing keep away while they throw dumb blocks and ignore the ball. Line elves are expendable, so they are sacrifices.
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Oct 4, 2015 17:07
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Haroshia posted:If you play Wood Elves with any frequency you pretty much expect this. Everybody gets salty as gently caress over elf bullshit and switches from trying to score to murderball after you get the second touchdown. The game becomes playing keep away while they throw dumb blocks and ignore the ball. Line elves are expendable, so they are sacrifices. Oh trust me I know. I was actually trying to get the ball the entire second half, but every time the dice didn't roll in my favour. Bit of a shame really.
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Oct 4, 2015 17:10
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Have gotten a pm about adding officers to the league to add on. If this is something people would like to expedite the process, I'm fine with it, so let me know if you want to volunteer to be an officer.
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Oct 4, 2015 17:10
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id t16 foul all of u irl
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Oct 4, 2015 17:17
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dogstile posted:This is only going to make me do it more if i'm having a bad game. E-honour bullshit is bullshit. This is not about E-honour bullshit. E-Honor bullshit is when someone starts complaining that you are stalling at the end line. That`s bullshit. Fouling has a place in the game, it`s a needed mechanic, but when you use it just to vent because you got mad at losing the game, you just show how much of a baby you are. What strategic reason can you give for fouling on turn 16?
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Oct 4, 2015 17:34
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It makes people mad and strategically that's really funny.
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Oct 4, 2015 17:35
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So t16 foulers like it because they think it makes people mad, and people feel smug because they think people that t16 foul are mad. I mean, it looks like a win/win to me, why is anyone complaining? You should t16 to make both player's game better.
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Oct 4, 2015 17:37
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Tekopo posted:So t16 foulers like it because they think it makes people mad, and people feel smug because they think people that t16 foul are mad. Pretty much. Its not even like I stomped a 200 game star player, i stomped a 5spp lineman because i couldn't do anything else. You'd think i'd murdered nuffle himself.
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Oct 4, 2015 17:39
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dogstile posted:Pretty much. Its not even like I stomped a 200 game star player, i stomped a 5spp lineman because i couldn't do anything else. You'd think i'd murdered nuffle himself. Nope, you just shown how childish you are. Guess you are used to that.
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Oct 4, 2015 18:02
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ProZocK posted:Nope, you just shown how childish you are. Guess you are used to that. Say's the dude getting mad over a videogame match.
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Oct 4, 2015 18:07
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Blackmage Yapo posted:T16 fouls: rude in a goon pickup game, completely appropriate every other time. 
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Oct 4, 2015 18:09
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Haroshia posted:If you play Wood Elves with any frequency you pretty much expect this. Everybody gets salty as gently caress over elf bullshit and switches from trying to score to murderball after you get the second touchdown. The game becomes playing keep away while they throw dumb blocks and ignore the ball. Line elves are expendable, so they are sacrifices. Played against Chaos yesterday with my WE pubbie team and the guy from the onset ignored the ball and went for me. He did kill a 0 SPP Lineman, so there's that. I won 6-0.
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Oct 4, 2015 18:13
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ProZocK posted:This is not about E-honour bullshit. E-Honor bullshit is when someone starts complaining that you are stalling at the end line. That`s bullshit. i will clawpomb you irl
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Oct 4, 2015 18:13
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dogstile posted:Say's the dude getting mad over a videogame match. Dude, you just said you got mad at a videogame match and fouled because of that. The only defense you gave for your actions was " I did it for the lulz". That makes you an rear end in a top hat, and unless you argue that point there`s really no use on us to keep this going. Coolguye posted:i will clawpomb you irl Careful, that will make so mad I might foul! 
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ProZocK posted:Dude, you just said you got mad at a videogame match and fouled because of that. The only defense you gave for your actions was " I did it for the lulz". Why is being an rear end in a top hat in a game about being an rear end in a top hat a bad thing?
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