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Octopode posted:What you're describing is effectively the basis of the neutral reportage principle, and it's questionable whether it applies here--mainly because it's only officially recognized as a defense in a few jurisdictions' libel laws, but also because one of the key requirements is that the statements must be reported disinterestedly. I think a reasonable case could be made based on the content of the podcast and twitter postings that this article was not published in a disinterested manner. Look, we get you're so invested in the game that you will make up any old poo poo, or quote from sources that aren't academically or legally citable, but just loving stop. Just. Stop. Go and circlejerk in the brown sea if you feel the need to sustain your delusions.
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Jason @ Forbes Blog jumps the bandwagon. http://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonev...and-retraction/
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Oct 4, 2015 18:11
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Madcosby posted:these guys are going to run out of places to shop or places to get gaming news I guess they would be more than happy (perhaps ecstatic) to be able to buy "original" SC hardware. Pay now - get stuff in 6 months.
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Oct 4, 2015 18:12
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Xaerael posted:Look, we get you're so invested in the game that you will make up any old poo poo, or quote from sources that aren't academically or legally citable, but just loving stop. Just. Stop. Go and circlejerk in the brown sea if you feel the need to sustain your delusions. Why would he stop posting when he gets such good results? Never stop posting. e: Also as any goon should know being technically correct is always the best kind of correct.
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Oct 4, 2015 18:12
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Tank Boy Ken posted:I guess they would be more than happy (perhaps ecstatic) to be able to buy "original" SC hardware. Pay now - get stuff in 6 months. SC is happy to announce, in partnership with Butterfly Labs, we'll be selling PC hardware on our site! Pre-order today!
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Oct 4, 2015 18:14
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Adam Bowen posted:We need to figure out who the judge in the forthcoming trial will be and make them a goon and see if they can hand over the company and all the money to Derek Smart so he can finally make his dream game
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Madcosby posted:SC is happy to announce, in partnership with Butterfly Labs, we'll be selling PC hardware on our site! Pre-order today! How much Dogecoin do you have?
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I find the following story: "Congress Still Bans CDC from Study of Gun Violence" less sad.
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Oct 4, 2015 18:15
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sorla78 posted:Jason @ Forbes Blog jumps the bandwagon. Holy christ is Forbes getting hammered. I keep getting a bunch of loading then "an error occurred while processing your request" message when trying to load that site. Edit: Holy poo poo, I can't even get main site Forbes.
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INN Chatroll Dev Tracker http://www.cigchatmonitor.com/
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Young Freud posted:What about the fact that they not only tried to verify claims, recognized and ultimately ignored of unconfirmed anonymous sources and disregarded the more outlandish ones because they didn't have the evidence, but also gave Roberts a platform to defend himself on. They went above and beyond the "neutral reportage" principle. A lot depends on the judge at hand, for California's libel and defamation laws. If Sandi/CIG isn't considered some form of public figure (which she may or may not, based on California's definition), then all that needs to be proved is that the Escapist was negligent--they don't have to prove actual malice. CIG tried to lay the foundation for that by showing that other publications had refused to print the same allegations with the same information available to them. If they are a public figure, then actual malice has to be proved, and there probably isn't much chance of that (unless there's an email out there between Derek Smart and the Escapist saying something like "publish this! It'll destroy Chris Roberts!" and the statements do turn out to be false). But, essentially, it all boils down to 1) did the Escapist do what other reasonably prudent publishers would have done to verify the statements were credible and true (it's not enough to prove they were from legitimate sources--it's about the statements themselves) and 2) were the statements actually true. If either one of those is true, there's no case. If both are false, Escapist can be held liable.
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Is there any chance the pubes might take the stand in court?
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Oct 4, 2015 18:21
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sorla78 posted:INN Chatroll Dev Tracker Thanks: Star Citizen: A lot of trial and error 
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Oct 4, 2015 18:22
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Roflan posted:That's an automatically generated ad for the Escapist. They must really hate Google. Newegg bought that FB ad targeting the Escapist page 
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Oct 4, 2015 18:23
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Tank Boy Ken posted:Thanks: Star Citizen: A lot of trial and error I'm glad the guy who got his job because he was a forum meme is weighing in on content creation
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Octopode posted:it's not enough to prove they were from legitimate sources--it's about the statements themselves) and 2) were the statements actually true. This is the most ridiculous line of bullshit you've posted here to date. Stop posting.
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Oct 4, 2015 18:24
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wait so there's a convention for a game that doesn't exist and it's the third annual one
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Oct 4, 2015 18:25
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Tank Boy Ken posted:Thanks: Star Citizen: A lot of trial and error every game that has been announced and released in the time that they have done jack and poo poo would like to have a word.
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Oct 4, 2015 18:25
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Tank Boy Ken posted:Thanks: Star Citizen: A lot of trial and error Boy it's too bad Chris was forced in to such a sticky situation.
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Oct 4, 2015 18:27
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Octopode posted:A lot depends on the judge at hand, for California's libel and defamation laws. If Sandi/CIG isn't considered some form of public figure (which she may or may not, based on California's definition), then all that needs to be proved is that the Escapist was negligent--they don't have to prove actual malice. CIG tried to lay the foundation for that by showing that other publications had refused to print the same allegations with the same information available to them. If they are a public figure, then actual malice has to be proved, and there probably isn't much chance of that (unless there's an email out there between Derek Smart and the Escapist saying something like "publish this! It'll destroy Chris Roberts!" and the statements do turn out to be false). But, essentially, it all boils down to 1) did the Escapist do what other reasonably prudent publishers would have done to verify the statements were credible and true (it's not enough to prove they were from legitimate sources--it's about the statements themselves) and 2) were the statements actually true. If either one of those is true, there's no case. If both are false, Escapist can be held liable. So what exactly do you do with $1500 worth of "spaceships" in a "game" you can't play? Do you just look at them?
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Romes128 posted:So what exactly do you do with $1500 worth of "spaceships" in a "game" you can't play? Do you just look at them? you threaten to buy more every time someone questions your spending habits
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Yeah: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/descendentstudios/descent-underground?ref=nav_search Funddate: 2015 - 04 - 11 Release of first build to backers: 2015 - 10 - 03 Estimated Delivery: 2016 March
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OhDearGodNo posted:This is the most ridiculous line of bullshit you've posted here to date. The only time you're protected by the identity of the source alone is when you are reporting on statements from official sources, such as government officials or reports. If you're reporting on the statements of private individuals, you're liable for the content of the statements themselves if you failed to meet reasonably prudent standards of validating them.
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angerbeet posted:wait so there's a convention for a game that doesn't exist yeah isn't it wonderful?
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Agrajag posted:every game that has been announced and released in the time that they have done jack and poo poo would like to have a word. No you don't understand, those are just cheap, mass-produced piles of poo poo like CoD and GTA, this is a visionary game from a true visionary, and it will make all other games obsolete. Also we had to establish four distinct studios around the world to make this game!
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Octopode posted:The only time you're protected by the identity of the source alone is when you are reporting on statements from official sources, such as government officials or reports. If you're reporting on the statements of private individuals, you're liable for the content of the statements themselves if you failed to meet reasonably prudent standards of validating them. http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/video-games/14727-The-Escapist-Explains-Its-Star-Citizen-Sources-Vetting-and-Respo Stop posting.
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I love how contradictory some of those statements are. 'Those big studios are well established and funded and make small cookie cutter games.' 'We are starting from scratch with barely any money and trying to make the largest game ever made.' 'Our success is inevitable.'.
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OhDearGodNo posted:Stop posting. no one should ever stop posting get the gently caress out of here. Except you, you could actually stop.
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Roflan posted:I love how contradictory some of those statements are. 'Those big studios are well established and funded and make small cookie cutter games.' 'We are starting from scratch with barely any money and trying to make the largest game ever made.' 'Our success is inevitable.'. Look at the cult they made. edit: Seconding ODGN GTFOing
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Octopode posted:A lot depends on the judge at hand, for California's libel and defamation laws. If Sandi/CIG isn't considered some form of public figure (which she may or may not, based on California's definition), then all that needs to be proved is that the Escapist was negligent--they don't have to prove actual malice. CIG tried to lay the foundation for that by showing that other publications had refused to print the same allegations with the same information available to them. If they are a public figure, then actual malice has to be proved, and there probably isn't much chance of that (unless there's an email out there between Derek Smart and the Escapist saying something like "publish this! It'll destroy Chris Roberts!" and the statements do turn out to be false). But, essentially, it all boils down to 1) did the Escapist do what other reasonably prudent publishers would have done to verify the statements were credible and true (it's not enough to prove they were from legitimate sources--it's about the statements themselves) and 2) were the statements actually true. If either one of those is true, there's no case. If both are false, Escapist can be held liable. Protip: you should stop trying to speak about the law, friend.
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Tank Boy Ken posted:Thanks: Star Citizen: A lot of trial and error With all the crazy instancing server tech they are talking about private servers are not a long away but the announcement that they are being dropped from the scope might be.
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Octopode posted:The only time you're protected by the identity of the source alone is when you are reporting on statements from official sources, such as government officials or reports. If you're reporting on the statements of private individuals, you're liable for the content of the statements themselves if you failed to meet reasonably prudent standards of validating them. okay
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Bushido Brown posted:Protip: you should stop trying to speak about the law, friend. Octopode posted:You should try being more successful in your life. It opens lots of possibilities. Sorry bro.
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Octopode posted:The only time you're protected by the identity of the source alone is when you are reporting on statements from official sources, such as government officials or reports. If you're reporting on the statements of private individuals, you're liable for the content of the statements themselves if you failed to meet reasonably prudent standards of validating them. so do you just look at pictures of your spaceships and make "pew pew" sounds while spinning around in your computer chair all day? or masturbate to pictures of your spaceships like your tag implies?
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Romes128 posted:so do you just look at pictures of your spaceships and make "pew pew" sounds while spinning around in your computer chair all day? Does it count if you masturbate to that ship from Space Balls when it's in Mega Maid mode?
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Gwaihir posted:no one should ever stop posting get the gently caress out of here. You spent $660+ on Star Citizen.
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What is left for a publisher or investor to get back after funding more development? There is no monthly fee, right? All the shiplords have already been whaled out. The game has near-total market awareness among everyone that is a possible space sim customer. The post-launch revenue seems pretty minimal, if not microscopic. I guess there is China, but things like the 100gb install size and presumably high system requirements for all the no-budget model work make it unlikely to translate into something that market can digest. The glut of people hungry for another WOW-like experience of fresh quests and old guilds wont gravitate to the game. The youth-trend-frenzy market is mostly in Dota and LoL. All that's left are the people that are waiting for the real launch and review scores before handing over $59. But for the genre that group seems tiny as its a rabid segment and there is some incentive to already be a customer and fiddle with your hangar. Who the hell would invest?
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shadow puppet of a posted:What is left for a publisher or investor to get back after funding more development? Microtranscations. Lots and lots of microtransactions. Rebuild your ship quicker, etc.
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cr: redo it. not high res enough. we need to be able to charge at least $500 for it.
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