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mlmp08 posted:If you think US military actions aren't held accountable, don't look up the actions of the US intelligence agencies that aren't beholden to US military rules. It's pretty loving absurd.
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Nonsense posted:The establishment GOP is literally collapsing. It's still there, it's just unable to command a majority of the House anymore. You have two basically distinct groups within the party. E: Like, more and more, I'm kind of thinking that the people who were predicting the disintegration of the GOP after 2008 weren't wrong. It's just that, in the American political system, it's really not possible to actually have a successful third party and so everyone stayed under the name of the Republican Party because that's where the structure leads you. Bob Ojeda fucked around with this message at 20:57 on Oct 4, 2015 |
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Bob Ojeda posted:It's still there, it's just unable to command a majority of the House anymore. You have two basically distinct groups within the party. I know it's there, I'm just pretending the walls are collapsing around Boehner, his staff screaming, and praying while Cruz cackles in the foreground.
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Hooded Reptile posted:I don't blame them, I wouldn't want to be anywhere where "LOOK TERRISTS LETS BOMB IT REPEATEDLY" are either. It was a hospital ffs. theres video of people burning alive in hospital beds, you won't sweep this one under the rug. If they were taking fire from the Hospital it loses its protected status.
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Nonsense posted:I know it's there, I'm just pretending the walls are collapsing around Boehner, his staff screaming, and praying while Cruz cackles in the foreground. Ted Cruz's laughs probably cause people to spontaneously lose control of their rectums.
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Lumberjack Bonanza posted:You want to bet? what you gonna do, take liveleak and worldstar down?
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Bolow posted:If they were taking fire from the Hospital it loses its protected status. 
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Oct 4, 2015 21:01
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Bolow posted:If they were taking fire from the Hospital it loses its protected status. it was bases on intel from a afghan tribal lord. Hey man, this hospital seems suspect blow it up, USA is like ok,
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Oct 4, 2015 21:02
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Let Freedom Ring.
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Nonsense posted:Let Freedom Ring. like a bell
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Hooded Reptile posted:what you gonna do, take liveleak and worldstar down? The fact that you think they'd need to even do that speaks to your idealism. Do you forget when the US military gunned down AP reporters and children with a gunship? The only person who got put in jail was the one who leaked it.
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Fojar38 posted:What might this mean for the debt ceiling? When Boehner announced his resignation, it was expected that the debt ceiling would come into play right around Christmas. As it turns out, the deadline will arrive November 5th, less than a week after Boehner leaves office. If there is no coherent leadership in the Majority by that time, it raises serious questions about the House's ability to function. It puts pressure on moderates to use extreme measures to resolve the leadership crisis if it continues. The real test will be the actual Speaker vote. The more ballots there are, the more inflexible and immobile the House is gong to be. Also, say goodbye to any grand deals that might have been in the works. That ship has sailed for the foreseeable future.
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Nobody will care about the hospital thing in a week because we live in a world of piss.
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Lumberjack Bonanza posted:The fact that you think they'd need to even do that speaks to your idealism. a camera tripod is an rpg
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QuoProQuid posted:When Boehner announced his resignation, it was expected that the debt ceiling would come into play right around Christmas. As it turns out, the deadline will arrive November 5th, less than a week after Boehner leaves office. If there is no coherent leadership in the Majority by that time, it raises serious questions about the House's ability to function. It puts pressure on moderates to use extreme measures to resolve the leadership crisis if it continues. I knew about that, I just figured Boehner would force it through in October because he's leaving anyway and doesn't have to worry about backlash from the wingnuts.
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QuoProQuid posted:When Boehner announced his resignation, it was expected that the debt ceiling would come into play right around Christmas. As it turns out, the deadline will arrive November 5th, less than a week after Boehner leaves office. If there is no coherent leadership in the Majority by that time, it raises serious questions about the House's ability to function. It puts pressure on moderates to use extreme measures to resolve the leadership crisis if it continues. I just heard. November 5th. Obama better have the trillion dollar coin already made.
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William Bear posted:I just heard. November 5th. Obama better have the trillion dollar coin already made. I hope we all get one.
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Fojar38 posted:I knew about that, I just figured Boehner would force it through in October because he's leaving anyway and doesn't have to worry about backlash from the wingnuts. Boehner is still likely to get an increase of the debt ceiling before he leaves office. He only needs a handful of moderate Republican votes to make sure it succeeds.The February 2014 debt ceiling increase had only 28 Republicans on board. It would represent a failure at every level if Boehner left office without securing an increase to the debt limit. I don't think the Republican Party is collapsing (which is really one of the worst things about this situation) but if Boehner failed, it would represent a total neutering of the Republican Party's moderate wing.
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Wouldn't Boehner forcing through actual governance legislation come at a cost of enraging and stiffening the resolve of the Wing Nuts? Possibly make moderates vulnerable at primary season? I see a lot of people assuming Boehner can do anything now that he doesn't care but there's bound to be a cost to the moderate wing and his successor in particular.
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Raenir Salazar posted:Wouldn't Boehner forcing through actual governance legislation come at a cost of enraging and stiffening the resolve of the Wing Nuts? Possibly make moderates vulnerable at primary season? When the alternative is a default that's probably a risk that should be taken.
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Bob Ojeda posted:It's still there, it's just unable to command a majority of the House anymore. You have two basically distinct groups within the party. Subsidiaries of a conservative monopoly. All rivals, but supposedly together, like the way that Rand worshipping CEO of Sears ran/runs things. Mister Facetious fucked around with this message at 21:24 on Oct 4, 2015 |
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Raenir Salazar posted:Wouldn't Boehner forcing through actual governance legislation come at a cost of enraging and stiffening the resolve of the Wing Nuts? Possibly make moderates vulnerable at primary season? He only needs something like 30 Republicans, including himself. There are that many moderates (plus Republicans with major gov/mil/contractor offices/bases in their district), so Kevin McCarthy and even most of the moderates can scream about it all they want. Ideally they can push the debt cliff off to mid-2016, but odds are good the smart(ish) Republicans will want a 2-year deal because they realize it'll hurt them in 2016. Trabisnikof posted:Does NGP/VAN not have an app? NGP/VAN has an app. It basically mimics the printed sheets on a clipboard - you literally put in a list number that corresponds to a turf that would otherwise be printed out and put on a clipboard.
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Raenir Salazar posted:Wouldn't Boehner forcing through actual governance legislation come at a cost of enraging and stiffening the resolve of the Wing Nuts? Possibly make moderates vulnerable at primary season? EDIT: One vote that Boehner can probably not depend on is McCarthy. In 2014, McCarthy was one of the 28 Republicans who voted to raise the ceiling. If he is concerned about his conservative credentials, he might defect to secure the Freedom Caucus's loyalty. QuoProQuid fucked around with this message at 21:30 on Oct 4, 2015 |
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Bob Ojeda posted:It's still there, it's just unable to command a majority of the House anymore. You have two basically distinct groups within the party. More specifically, you will see a disintegration (at least I think so), but there's a significant lag effect compared with Europe or other systems where a party might just cease to exist in the span of 4 years.
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Lotka Volterra posted:Why would you lie about something like that? Doesn't sit right imo. Dude shut the gently caress up, this is Something Awful and he made a ridiculous post that he doesn't literally mean. Quit being a sanctimonious prick
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http://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/trump-middle-east-would-be-more-stable-hussein-gadhafi-n438156 hmm. what do you all think.
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Edit because I got involved in the primary in the wrong thread. Seriously though, I highly doubt that they cant find 30 Republicans willing to save the world economy. It's not like it'll cost an Alabama house member his guaranteed reelection. hakkart fucked around with this message at 22:06 on Oct 4, 2015 |
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Dapper_Swindler posted:http://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/trump-middle-east-would-be-more-stable-hussein-gadhafi-n438156 Stable, sure. That's the benefit of being brutal dictators, you tend to keep poo poo on lock until someone kicks your door in with a rifle and shoves a knife up your rear end. That means nothing, though, if the stability is in a brutal and repressive regime, doesn't it?
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Tatum Girlparts posted:Stable, sure. That's the benefit of being brutal dictators, you tend to keep poo poo on lock until someone kicks your door in with a rifle and shoves a knife up your rear end. There isn't going to be any kind of government in the middle east or places like afghanistan without a brutal dictator of some sort. No one has the ability to unify all the warring tribal factions across the region peacefully.
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I hope you're all ready for the election-season appearance of a finalized Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) having to go through this dysfunctional Congress. http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/05/b...v=top-news&_r=0
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Mr. Nice! posted:There isn't going to be any kind of government in the middle east or places like afghanistan without a brutal dictator of some sort. No one has the ability to unify all the warring tribal factions across the region peacefully. Well yea wasn't claiming we magically fixed that, just taking issue with the use of 'stability' as the be all end all of 'how's this country doing'. We for sure made it oppressive and unstable as opposed to oppressive and stable.
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Bolow posted:If they were taking fire from the Hospital it loses its protected status. Not necessarily. We'll see how this pans out but just because you took fire from a location doesn't mean you can blow it to hell, even by US military standards.
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Boehner pushing the funding CR and possibly pushing a debt ceiling raise through will be decent ammo for dems when it happens again in a few months. They'll have proof that if they put them on the floor to a vote that they'd pass. Not like it will make any real difference. How rare do you think people who are Bernie Sanders supporters but also very anti-black lives matter as well as being Sandy Hook truthers are? Because it seems I used to work with one...
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Hooded Reptile posted:Sheriff that Laughed about Flash Banging a Toddler, Was Just Shot By Murderous Rogue Cop takes a good guy with a gun
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fknlo posted:Boehner pushing the funding CR and possibly pushing a debt ceiling raise through will be decent ammo for dems when it happens again in a few months. They'll have proof that if they put them on the floor to a vote that they'd pass. Not like it will make any real difference. Obama said he won't sign any short term spending bill and I heard that the moderates want to push it through to 2017 to dodge the election entirely.
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fknlo posted:How rare do you think people who are Bernie Sanders supporters but also very anti-black lives matter as well as being Sandy Hook truthers are? Because it seems I used to work with one... The first two? Not rare at all. Remember all the "UPPITY BLACKS REALLY SHAMED THE RACE BY DARING TO INTERRUPT BERNIE-SAN" poo poo? Plus the whole 'uh BLM, have you forgotten he marched with MLK? So shut up' habit his supporters still have. The third one? No idea there.
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Boon posted:Dude shut the gently caress up, this is Something Awful and he made a ridiculous post that he doesn't literally mean. Quit being a sanctimonious prick You're not very bright, are you?
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Tatum Girlparts posted:The first two? Not rare at all. Remember all the "UPPITY BLACKS REALLY SHAMED THE RACE BY DARING TO INTERRUPT BERNIE-SAN" poo poo? Plus the whole 'uh BLM, have you forgotten he marched with MLK? So shut up' habit his supporters still have. Maybe not conspiracy theorists specifically but there's a pretty large crossover with guns.
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Lotka Volterra posted:You're not very bright, are you? Eh, either you're literal or you're trolling in D&D, either way get hosed.
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