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Negligent posted:The point I was making is that the camp isn't closing, merely allowing people to come and go as they please, so the whole hand wringing post about Australia and/or Nauru not having any continuing obligations to provide for the refugees was in error. People are still being housed and fed in the same manner, the door is just left open. It's not naive to think that a logical development is more appropriate accommodation for this new living arrangement. Australian immigration policy having a long standing tradition of being based in logic.
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freebooter posted:This is basically all that needs to be said. Except it misses the point that the reason they're there in the first place is that they tried to enter the country through people smugglers instead of official channels. Allowing them into the country defeats the purpose of keeping them out, which is sending the message to other refugees if you try to come here illegally you will not be allowed in, period. Which is good policy. It boggles my mind people could look at the situation in Europe and think otherwise. If they don't like it in Nauru they can try elsewhere, but under no circumstances should they enter Australia.
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Zahki posted:Except it misses the point that the reason they're there in the first place is that they tried to enter the country through people smugglers instead of official channels. Allowing them into the country defeats the purpose of keeping them out, which is sending the message to other refugees if you try to come here illegally you will not be allowed in, period. Which is good policy. It boggles my mind people could look at the situation in Europe and think otherwise. If they don't like it in Nauru they can try elsewhere, but under no circumstances should they enter Australia. I'm gonna stretch you out real thin and use you to rebuild the land bridge between here and south asia
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Just posted on ABC.quote:Refugee advocates are warning the Immigration Department the family of an Iranian woman who was raped on Nauru is now at breaking point. Excuse me if I dont just take their announcements at face value.
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Zahki posted:Except it misses the point that the reason they're there in the first place is that they tried to enter the country through people smugglers instead of official channels. Allowing them into the country defeats the purpose of keeping them out, which is sending the message to other refugees if you try to come here illegally you will not be allowed in, period. Which is good policy. It boggles my mind people could look at the situation in Europe and think otherwise. If they don't like it in Nauru they can try elsewhere, but under no circumstances should they enter Australia. 
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Oct 5, 2015 08:00
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#Morgan Poll Federal Primary Votes: L/NP 47 (+1) ALP 27.5 (-2) GRN 14 (+1) #Morgan Poll Federal 2 Party Preferred: L/NP 56 (+1) ALP 44 (-1) How long do honey-moon polls generally last?
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Ler posted:#Morgan Poll Federal Primary Votes: L/NP 47 (+1) ALP 27.5 (-2) GRN 14 (+1) Its over. Death is certain.
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Ler posted:#Morgan Poll Federal Primary Votes: L/NP 47 (+1) ALP 27.5 (-2) GRN 14 (+1) Haha gently caress Bill Shorten. How long before the knives are out for him? How long before the ALP realises it actually has to stand for something?
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Someone said in here that the internal word is that there aren't plans to get 'im, even when they lose the election
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Zahki posted:Except it misses the point that the reason they're there in the first place is that they tried to enter the country through people smugglers instead of official channels. Allowing them into the country defeats the purpose of keeping them out, which is sending the message to other refugees if you try to come here illegally you will not be allowed in, period. Which is good policy. It boggles my mind people could look at the situation in Europe and think otherwise. If they don't like it in Nauru they can try elsewhere, but under no circumstances should they enter Australia. There are no "official channels" hth
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freebooter posted:Like, for us to welcome the idea that after spending years and years in horrific detention conditions, a bunch of totally innocent people are now really lucky to have full access to all 21 square kilometres of an impoverished island... it just goes to show what a loving twisting, winding snake of anti-logic led us to this point. Explain the current policy decisions and rules about asylum seekers in Australia to someone in the 1980s and they'd think you were loving batshit. And yet we've reached each step little by little, over the course of many years, so now it seems normal. There's probably a snappy political term for something like that. There's been a few attempts at it, salami-slicing was one metaphor. But the process that fits best for me was described by Christopher Brown to explain the Einsatzcommando, a process of brutalization, only in this broad sense by framing the argument that these people deserve their fate and we have to be strong enough to see it through for our survival. By showing us the brutal acting-out and limiting our exposure carefully, its designed to cut our sympathy for these people by refusing to treat them as such. Oh those terrible Nauruans! We couldn't possibly have guessed they'd murder rape and torture the people we dumped on them! We even said not to! No Sir, I didn't see no dead people nor did anyone I know bury them in a mass grave that mysteriously appeared on my island.   There is nothing you can do about these attitudes, you can't change the people holding them. ewe2 fucked around with this message at 17:43 on Oct 5, 2015 |
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I never seen a Zahki post before, but I am madder than I would be at a thousand Negligents posting First Dog You motherfucker, I hope Dutton sucks too hard and swallows you whole
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freebooter posted:There are no "official channels" hth I have a question in good faith; what is Australia's policy with respect to people who apply for refugee status after flying in? I know that flights don't generally operate out of the countries where refugees generally travel but is there a mechanism in place preventing an Iraqi or Afghanistan citizen from flying from Indonesia to Australia and then claiming asylum? I mean, obviously there's some system stopping them otherwise they wouldn't be attempting the maritime crossing but what specific roadblocks is Australia putting up? Is it that Australia won't extend a tourist visa to people who may claim asylum? And, if that's what it is, how do they ascertain whether or not someone is likely to?
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Ler posted:#Morgan Poll Federal Primary Votes: L/NP 47 (+1) ALP 27.5 (-2) GRN 14 (+1) I'm dying.
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Serrath posted:I have a question in good faith; what is Australia's policy with respect to people who apply for refugee status after flying in? I know that flights don't generally operate out of the countries where refugees generally travel but is there a mechanism in place preventing an Iraqi or Afghanistan citizen from flying from Indonesia to Australia and then claiming asylum? I'm pretty sure they just end up in on-shore detention but I could be wrong. The boats struck a chord with the electorate so those are the ones they cracked down on. And never mind them consistently overlooking all the 457 and student visa scams that do far more harm to Australians than boat people ever would.
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Like, is it even possible to Out-Rudd Rudd? Rudd spiked and dived. Turnbull keeps rising like silent liberal voter's pants.
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Serrath posted:Is it that Australia won't extend a tourist visa to people who may claim asylum? And, if that's what it is, how do they ascertain whether or not someone is likely to? As far as Afghanistan is concerned, we don't extend any visas whatsoever to any Afghan citizens, and there's nothing they can do about it. Tough poo poo.
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The Peccadillo posted:Someone said in here that the internal word is that there aren't plans to get 'im, even when they lose the election The internal word was based on the Party Bubble. They may have said "well our spin doctors say we need to keep him around to show we don't backstab anymore and we're struck with him" even though y'know it's being investigated over branch stacking that got him into power in the first place being against the rules and potentially illegal. Fact is they have an out to get rid of him, and a year is a long time in politics let alone the next three months. There's going to be a lot of people talking to Shorten telling him to walk away before he is pushed.
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Also nothing you guys on literal gangs of thugs who are either taxi drivers or friends or "hired goons" beating up drivers in Brisbane? And the taxi vice president saying he understand the anger to justify you know three assaults. Really nothing?
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Serrath posted:I have a question in good faith; what is Australia's policy with respect to people who apply for refugee status after flying in? I know that flights don't generally operate out of the countries where refugees generally travel but is there a mechanism in place preventing an Iraqi or Afghanistan citizen from flying from Indonesia to Australia and then claiming asylum? Bridging visa quote:Authorised' arrivals enter Australia with a valid visa (such as a tourist or student visa). Asylum seekers who are 'authorised' arrivals can apply for a permanent protection visa (PPV). Until their refugee application is decided, they are usually granted a 'bridging visa' which allows them to live in the community. Some have permission to work or, in exceptional circumstances, may receive financial help from the government if they cannot meet their most basic needs for food, accommodation and health care.21 Authorised arrivals who are not found to be refugees according to Australian migration law may be detained until they are removed from the country https://www.humanrights.gov.au/publications/questions-and-answers-about-refugees-asylum-seekers#q5 If they have used a false visa or passport though then I imagine they get detained.
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Serrath posted:I have a question in good faith; what is Australia's policy with respect to people who apply for refugee status after flying in? I know that flights don't generally operate out of the countries where refugees generally travel but is there a mechanism in place preventing an Iraqi or Afghanistan citizen from flying from Indonesia to Australia and then claiming asylum? If you don't have the right passport and the right visa you will not be allowed onto a plane that is going to Australia. We don't issue visas to people from places that have large quantities of refugees flowing out of them. There is no front door, just a moat. EDIT: And gently caress you if you try to cross our moat. We're going to send you to a different moat surrounded hell hole.
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freebooter posted:As far as Afghanistan is concerned, we don't extend any visas whatsoever to any Afghan citizens, and there's nothing they can do about it. Tough poo poo. Very basic question, then; who stops you from boarding a plane if you don't have a visa? Does the country of origin maintain airport staff to check the visa status of people boarding flights or is that a responsibility of the airline? Is it ever the case that an airline doesn't do its due diligence, allows a refugee to board, he lands in Australia and applies for asylum the moment he steps off the plans? And, if someone did that, where would they end up? **edit** quote:f you don't have the right passport and the right visa you will not be allowed onto a plane that is going to Australia I'm just wondering who stops you, that's all; I imagine someone does but I'm wondering if it's the country of origin, the airline, or if Australia maintains a security presence overseas. I guess I've never come to Australia without a visa but I've traveled a lot and there are a lot of countries where you can apply for your visa after landing, in the airport... I guess Australia doesn't have a system like that but I'm curious how they stop people from doing this... Serrath fucked around with this message at 09:06 on Oct 5, 2015 |
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Orkin Mang posted:shoutout to all homos. love em. : ) Hi qtpie
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Lid posted:Also nothing you guys on literal gangs of thugs who are either taxi drivers or friends or "hired goons" beating up drivers in Brisbane? And the taxi vice president saying he understand the anger to justify you know three assaults. Really nothing? Why discuss that when we can just go over boat chat again?
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Lid posted:Also nothing you guys on literal gangs of thugs who are either taxi drivers or friends or "hired goons" beating up drivers in Brisbane? And the taxi vice president saying he understand the anger to justify you know three assaults. Really nothing? Ler posted:#Morgan Poll Federal Primary Votes: L/NP 47 (+1) ALP 27.5 (-2) GRN 14 (+1) Basically unless the status quo changes dramatically, Turnbull's gonna coast to an easy victory at the next election because there will be no alternative to him. The swing voters will vote for him because he's such a well-spoken man and he knows what's best and he was a businessman, you know! and the LNP base will vote for him because who else are they going to vote for? and the ALP base will vote for Shortenbot and pretend it's a close race but c'mon, and we're going to vote for the Greens as in our minds we contemplate how it's all fukt, and ScreamingLlama writes DEMOCRATS in the boxes then goes home and touches himself as he watches videos of ponies whispering.
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Serrath posted:Very basic question, then; who stops you from boarding a plane if you don't have a visa? Does the country of origin maintain airport staff to check the visa status of people boarding flights or is that a responsibility of the airline? Is it ever the case that an airline doesn't do its due diligence, allows a refugee to board, he lands in Australia and applies for asylum the moment he steps off the plans? And, if someone did that, where would they end up? "When you check-in for your flight to Australia, airline staff will use your passport details to check if you have a valid visa to travel to Australia before allowing you to board the aircraft. This will usually only takes seconds to complete. This is completed electronically and there is no need for a visa label in your passport." From here: http://www.border.gov.au/Visasupport/Documents/travelling-without-visa-label.pdf You can't get on a plane to here without one.
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hooman posted:"When you check-in for your flight to Australia, airline staff will use your passport details to check if you have a valid visa to travel to Australia before allowing you to board the aircraft. This will usually only takes seconds to complete. This is completed electronically and there is no need for a visa label in your passport." And if like that American abortion dude you sneak onto a plane, you get detained on arrival at the airport and put on a plane straight back. There is checking at both ends, at the Australian end it's border fart.
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This true of lots of other countries as well. Do not make the mistake, for example, of booking a flight to the US without having a return or onward ticket, because they won't let you board the plane. Also I recently flew from Europe to Perth with a bunch of stopovers and two different airlines, and for my flight to Kuala Lumpur the Emirates desk clerk (back at the airport in Europe) demanded to see my onward travel details. I explained that I was flying with a different airline from KL and it was none of Emirates' business, and she explained that the Malaysian government will not allow people to enter unless they have proof of onward travel. Like, seriously, guys? Malaysia?
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Basically every country thinks it's hot poo poo and has convinced itself that the rest of the world is just a bunch of barbarians at the gate.
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freebooter posted:This true of lots of other countries as well. Do not make the mistake, for example, of booking a flight to the US without having a return or onward ticket, because they won't let you board the plane. You might be an asylum seeker.
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Could you put people on small planes and fly into a remote part of northern Australia undetected? Does border fart have an air fart?
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Solemn Sloth posted:Could you breed a species of giant moles and tunnel to Darwin? Does birder force have subterranean detection systems? 
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Negligent posted:Could you put people on small planes and fly into a remote part of northern Australia undetected? Does border fart have an air fart? Drone people.
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The economics of a plane carrying 5 people probably don't work for people smugglers, not unless each person has a butt filled with cocaine or something.
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BBJoey posted:gently caress uber, imo Please explain "gently caress uber" as extending to beating up the workers without being a hypocrite regarding the working class and workers v the executive  i'll wait
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freebooter posted:This true of lots of other countries as well. Do not make the mistake, for example, of booking a flight to the US without having a return or onward ticket, because they won't let you board the plane. Look at this infographic from amnesty http://www.amnesty.org.au/refugees/comments/27690/ People from Afghanistan use fake documents to get into Malaysia. It begs the question of if you have a fake passport why not fly directly to Australia. Maybe border fart aren't useless and actually detect fake stuff reasonably competently?
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The debate in this thread about the NSW shooting is so cute. The offender is on CCTV running up and down out front of the building yelling, "Allah akbar". You dumb cunts need to stop shoving your heads up your asses in the name of political correctness and call a spare a spade. It's terrorism related.
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Lid posted:Please explain "gently caress uber" as extending to beating up the workers without being a hypocrite regarding the working class and workers v the executive let me elaborate on my white noise shitposting like so;
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