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Birb Katter: Sep 18, 2010; BOATS STOPPED
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Sniping stops today - Tony Abbott

Australia is still fukt, please remember to eat your onions.

edit: Here is a link to the last months OP if you want to learn more about Australia than the fact that Tony Abbott hosed a dead onion.

Birb Katter fucked around with this message at 03:38 on Oct 1, 2015

# ? Oct 1, 2015 03:08

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tithin: Nov 14, 2003; [Grandmaster Tactician]

You've given us the thread we deserve

# ? Oct 1, 2015 03:09

Cling-Wrap Condom: Jul 23, 2015; I'm tryna get my peen touched, pants.

good one

# ? Oct 1, 2015 03:09

bell jar: Feb 25, 2009

gas thread ban op

# ? Oct 1, 2015 03:10

Halo14: Sep 11, 2001

# ? Oct 1, 2015 03:11

tithin: Nov 14, 2003; [Grandmaster Tactician]

gas op ban thread

# ? Oct 1, 2015 03:11

Birb Katter: Sep 18, 2010; BOATS STOPPED
CARBON TAX AXED
TURNBULL AS PM
LIBERALS WILL BE RE-ELECTED IN A LANDSLIDE

It should also be noted that Hockey is managing to come out of this whole thing quite well considering how well he did in his actual job.

:itwaspoo:

# ? Oct 1, 2015 03:12

ewe2: Jul 1, 2009

gas op ban thread

# ? Oct 1, 2015 03:12

CATTASTIC: Mar 31, 2010; ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Birb Katter posted:

It should also be noted that Hockey is managing to come out of this whole thing quite well considering how well he did in his actual job.

In that he's completely disappeared off the face of the earth?

# ? Oct 1, 2015 03:13

Tokamak: Dec 22, 2004

Tony Abbott ate a raw onion

# ? Oct 1, 2015 03:15

I would blow Dane Cook: Dec 26, 2008

Q: I am a single, 73-year-old pensioner. I am thinking about buying a second house to allow my relatives live in it rent free.

They kindly did the same for my family many years ago and are now struggling to pay their rent.

Is it a requirement of Centrelink to charge them rent?

A: Net income from real estate (after allowable deductions) is assessable income for social security purposes.

However, there is no requirement that a person use their property to produce income. If no money is received from a property, then no income is taken into account.

However, the net value of the property would be included in the customer�s assets test.

If they gave the property to somebody else, then the value (less up to $10,000) would be assessed as a deemed asset for five years and would fall under both the income test and the assets test.

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/money/ask-an-expert/can-i-buy-my-reloes-a-home-20150922-gjsk3s.html

# ? Oct 1, 2015 03:16

Birb Katter: Sep 18, 2010; BOATS STOPPED
CARBON TAX AXED
TURNBULL AS PM
LIBERALS WILL BE RE-ELECTED IN A LANDSLIDE

QUACKTASTIC posted:

In that he's completely disappeared off the face of the earth?

He's going to Washington as our ambassador so off the face of our side of the earth but not where he won't do harm.

# ? Oct 1, 2015 03:17

Amethyst: Mar 28, 2004; I CANNOT HELP BUT MAKE THE DCSS THREAD A FETID SWAMP OF UNFUN POSTING
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This is the best OP so far, by a mile

# ? Oct 1, 2015 03:17

Amethyst: Mar 28, 2004; I CANNOT HELP BUT MAKE THE DCSS THREAD A FETID SWAMP OF UNFUN POSTING
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ewe2 posted:

gas op ban thread

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# ? Oct 1, 2015 03:17

Anidav: Feb 25, 2010; ahhh fuck its the rats again

Goood afternoon fellow shitlords

# ? Oct 1, 2015 03:23

Halo14: Sep 11, 2001

Tokamak posted:

Tony Abbott ate a raw onion

x2

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Re-posting from previous thread in case anyone missed it:

Turnbull government shelves controversial university reforms in major departure from Abbott era

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-polit...930-gjynlt.html

# ? Oct 1, 2015 03:26

Anidav: Feb 25, 2010; ahhh fuck its the rats again

Election soon, stalker

# ? Oct 1, 2015 03:31

HookShot: Dec 26, 2005

voted 5

# ? Oct 1, 2015 03:33

Amethyst: Mar 28, 2004; I CANNOT HELP BUT MAKE THE DCSS THREAD A FETID SWAMP OF UNFUN POSTING
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Birb Katter posted:

Sniping stops today - Tony Abbott

Australia is still fukt, please remember to eat your onions.

Quoting to appreciate, and preserve. I'm sure some idiot mod will edit it to include such trenchant information as "the irc channel where you can talk to the worst posters" or "party affiliations for each individual poster, for some reason"

# ? Oct 1, 2015 03:34

Halo14: Sep 11, 2001

Tony's Aussie radio tour continues!

Tony Abbott pleads the Fifth Amendment when asked if he's forgiven Malcolm Turnbull

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-polit...001-gjypw9.html

quote:

Former prime minister Tony Abbott has returned to the airwaves and revealed he never trusted Malcolm Turnbull, believing he was always intent on seizing the leadership.
In an interview with 3AW broadcaster Neil Mitchell on Thursday, Mr Abbott declined to say whether he had forgiven Mr Turnbull, despite pledging on the day after he lost the leadership of the Liberal Party and the country that there would be "no sniping".

Mr Abbott also hit out at his allies in the conservative media, accusing them of not doing enough to back his "brave reforming" budget of 2014, which included a series of broken promises that were a catalyst for poor poll results.
Mr Abbott also warned his successor against raising the GST, predicting such a move would be a "terrible mistake".
Asked whether he had forgiven Mr Turnbull, Mr Abbott declined to answer.

"That's a very good question and its probably one where I might exercise the former prime minister's prerogative of silence," he said.

"[There's] obviously been a lot of dirty water under the bridge.
"I have often said that Malcolm didn't stay in the Parliament to be someone else's minister; he's now got his chance at the top job. He's a very capable person, let's hope he makes the most of it."
Mr Abbott said his only communication with his leadership rival was an "exchange of texts" last week.

He said he had also received some "interesting" texts from some colleagues who abandoned him on the night of the spill.
"I've had some interesting texts from colleagues explaining that while it was a very good government doing a lot of good things they felt that change was unavoidable."

'Don't abandon the party'

Mr Abbott's demise has prompted seven Liberals to quit the party in Tasmania and eight to join, according to a statement from the president of the Liberal Party's Tasmanian branch.
The statement was issued after the dumped cabinet minister Eric Abetz emailed supporters claiming "hundreds" had quit the party in protest at Mr Turnbull's reinstatement as leader.
Mr Abbott pleaded with anyone thinking of abandoning the party or forming a breakaway movement to stay with the Liberal and National parties.

"I'd say please don't, please don't. The Liberal Party doesn't have enough members as it stands, we can't afford to lose good members. I can understand why people are dismayed at the fact we did what we said we'd never do."
He warned a splinter right-wing movement could damage Coalition governments across the country.
"The impact of the One Nation movement was to bring the Howard government perilously close to defeat in 1998," he said.
"The last thing we need is another conservative party, particularly a rogue conservative party that is raging against the world, that's the last thing we need."

Media to blame

Mr Abbott revived his complaints about the media but broadened his criticisms to include the conservative broadsheet The Australian, which he accused of failing to strongly back his first budget. He said this contradicted the paper's "constant drumbeat" for economic deregulation.
This came as the Turnbull government confirmed it was dumping one of the hallmarks of Mr Abbott's first budget � the proposal to uncap university fees.

"That's an interesting one," Mr Abbott observed, when asked to comment on Mr Turnbull's decision.
"Given the realities of the situation in the Senate I can understand it but I am disappointed by it and frankly, I'm a little disappointed that more of the people who keep saying we need reform, we need cuts in government spending, we need long-term structural change, did not get behind the 2014 budget," he said.
"It was a brave, bold, budget that turned out to be too gutsy for the Parliament we had."
"It was exactly what our country needed from a new and innovative, reforming government," Mr Abbott said.

Mr Abbott's first budget included several policies that were in breach of his election promises or not foreshadowed.
This included cuts to the public broadcaster's budget and a proposed $7 fee to visit the doctor, as well as the higher education deregulation plan.
He revealed early polling showed voters might warm to the GP fee and said media speculation - which had been rubbished by the government - meant voters should not have been completely surprised by the idea.
But Mr Abbott conceded more "lead up work" should have been done to prepare voters for such radical changes, however he argued such changes were justified given the condition of the budget.

Knighting Prince Philip 'injudicious'

Asked if his decision to Knight Prince Philip was a mistake, Mr Abbott said it was unwise.
Reflecting on his future intentions Mr Abbott stressed that at 57 year of age, he is "too young to retire" but he said he would not make a decision on his political life this year.

"I haven't made any decisions and I don't expect to make any firm decisions this side of Christmas," he said.
"I'm too young to retire, I still have a lot of interest in public life and one way or another I want to make a contribution."
He did not rule out the idea of returning to the frontbench in a Turnbull government, even if the idea is only hypothetical and agreed the idea of a former prime minister sitting on the backbench seemed "silly" when compared to the British Westminster system.
"Normally former prime ministers remain in the Commons for a period and ultimate go into the House of Lords. We don't have those traditions, we don't have those institutions in this country," he said.
"The last thing I want to be is a thorn I the side of the people who are doing what they can�to serve our country," he said.

Three word slogans

One of the hallmarks of Mr Abbott's tenure as opposition leader and prime minister was his use of what Labor coined "three word slogans."
Asked to provide some pithy lines to sell the new Turnbull government Mr Abbott offered: "Government goes on," and "The government hasn't changed".
"It doesn't matter how the prime minister arrived that job, it doesn't matter how particular ministers arrived in their particular jobs."

# ? Oct 1, 2015 03:41

Synthbuttrange: May 6, 2007

Tokamak posted:

Tony Abbott ate a raw onion

Its kind of lost its lusture after #baeofpigs

# ? Oct 1, 2015 03:43

Birb Katter: Sep 18, 2010; BOATS STOPPED
CARBON TAX AXED
TURNBULL AS PM
LIBERALS WILL BE RE-ELECTED IN A LANDSLIDE

SynthOrange posted:

Its kind of lost its lusture after #baeofpigs

you mean #swine11?

# ? Oct 1, 2015 03:44

CATTASTIC: Mar 31, 2010; ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

#baeofpigs is better

# ? Oct 1, 2015 03:46

Negligent: Aug 20, 2013; Its just lovely here this time of year.

So what if Tony Abbott ate an onion?

See how quickly the left falls back on mainstream perceptions of "normality" when it suits them. You shall eat vegetables only in the approved manner, comrade!

# ? Oct 1, 2015 03:47

Laserface: Dec 24, 2004

Our gently caress up of a leader cant even get a scandal right. all he did was eat some onions. DCam went the whole hog.

# ? Oct 1, 2015 03:48

Cartoon: Jun 20, 2008; poop

freebooter posted:

Hang on. 10 million is nearly 50% our current population and would be completely unprecedented. I don't know about it lowering our own standard of living, but we certainly wouldn't be able to adequately house 10 million refugees in any kind of decent standard.

"Where do we draw the line" and "oh you think we should just let everybody in" are stupid racist arguments, but speculating on the upper cap of new arrivals you can successfully integrate per year is an interesting thought experiment.

I'm obviously talking about refugees here, who arrive with nothing and require state care for a while. Forgive me if you're talking about general immigration.

Well in the ten million example I believe the xenophobe in question was taking general immigration and trying to suggest it would reduce our social safety net. I claim (regardless of the numbers, and 10 million is probably a bit silly, again not my starting point) that this is dumb as poo poo and offered a google string to assist in gaining an understanding. I don't think there was a timeline included in the original claim however so don't conclude one year is in anyway related to the total number suggested.

Here let me Google that for you:

"Completely unprecedented" Complete bollocks more like it.

http://www.australia.gov.au/about-australia/australian-story/changing-face-of-modern-australia-1950s-to-1970s

quote:

After the Second World War (1939�45) the Australian government committed to a vigorous and sustained immigration program. The purpose of this ambitious program was to meet labour shortages, protect Australia from external threat and create prosperity. As a result, from 1945 to 1975 Australia's population almost doubled from 7� million to 13 million. About 3 million migrants and refugees arrived.

http://www.sbs.com.au/gold/story.php?storyid=49

quote:

n March 1851, Victoria�s population was 80,000, not including Aborigines. By 1854 the population tripled to 237,000 and by 1861 it had doubled again to 540,000. The New South Wales gold fields were poorer but the state�s population increased from 200,000 in 1851 to 357,000 in 1861.

General educational information

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-04-21/carvalho-why-migrants-may-be-our-greatest-economic-asset/6409042

Now what a total sustainable population for Australia is, what a sensible rate of population growth is and what immigration level is necessary to continue the consumerist poo poo pool we all know and love are all interesting questions. The proposition that :supaburn:

more immigration :supaburn:

is bad for the disadvantaged is not well founded and would probably only be possible if we kept doing socially regressive things like this current mob of substantially white male clowns are.

Cartoon fucked around with this message at 03:51 on Oct 1, 2015

# ? Oct 1, 2015 03:49

Amethyst: Mar 28, 2004; I CANNOT HELP BUT MAKE THE DCSS THREAD A FETID SWAMP OF UNFUN POSTING
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Negligent posted:

So what if Tony Abbott ate an onion?

See how quickly the left falls back on mainstream perceptions of "normality" when it suits them. You shall eat vegetables only in the approved manner, comrade!

Tony Abbott eating an onion was extremely funny

# ? Oct 1, 2015 03:56

nyerf: Feb 12, 2010; An elephant never forgets...TO KILL!

Is the thread title meant to be clever in a way I didn't get because the original quote is with a whimper

T.S. Eliot 4lyfe

# ? Oct 1, 2015 04:12

CROWS EVERYWHERE: Dec 17, 2012; CAW CAW CAW; Dinosaur Gum

nyerf posted:

Is the thread title meant to be clever in a way I didn't get because the original quote is with a whimper

T.S. Eliot 4lyfe

Auspol superstar ScreamingLlama likes whisper porn aka ASMR and also the Democrats.

# ? Oct 1, 2015 04:15

Cartoon: Jun 20, 2008; poop

CROWS EVERYWHERE posted:

Auspol superstar ScreamingLlama likes whisper porn aka ASMR and also the Democrats.

And had planned on doing this OP. Clearly there weren't enough pixels in his CPU or the AEC prevented him out of spite.

# ? Oct 1, 2015 04:20

CROWS EVERYWHERE: Dec 17, 2012; CAW CAW CAW; Dinosaur Gum

Cartoon posted:

And had planned on doing this OP. Clearly there weren't enough pixels in his CPU or the AEC prevented him out of spite.

Oh yeah, and this too.

# ? Oct 1, 2015 04:21

Amoeba102: Jan 22, 2010

I thought the title was to do with Abbot's downfall and transition into undermining Turnbull with leaks.

# ? Oct 1, 2015 04:21

Lid: Feb 18, 2005; And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

http://www.theguardian.com/australi...-getting-bigger

Paul Keating is a dickhead.

# ? Oct 1, 2015 04:22

CROWS EVERYWHERE: Dec 17, 2012; CAW CAW CAW; Dinosaur Gum

Amoeba102 posted:

I thought the title was to do with Abbot's downfall and transition into undermining Turnbull with leaks.

Maybe. It is layered, like onions, which Tony Abbott ate raw, skin and all (twice).

# ? Oct 1, 2015 04:23

Amethyst: Mar 28, 2004; I CANNOT HELP BUT MAKE THE DCSS THREAD A FETID SWAMP OF UNFUN POSTING
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Lid posted:

http://www.theguardian.com/australi...-getting-bigger

Paul Keating is a dickhead.

I walk past barangaroo every day and honestly, it's fine. it's just another part of the high rise cbd, and it make sense

I wish it didn't have a loving casino though. gently caress casinos

# ? Oct 1, 2015 04:24

tithin: Nov 14, 2003; [Grandmaster Tactician]

Amethyst posted:

I walk past barangaroo every day and honestly, it's fine. it's just another part of the high rise cbd, and it make sense

I wish it didn't have a loving casino though. gently caress casinos

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bosouX_d8Y

# ? Oct 1, 2015 04:42

ewe2: Jul 1, 2009

Amethyst posted:

i'm mellllttinggggggg

In other crybaby news, big business is trying on the kidnap excuse for tax avoidance, but it's part of a bigger picture, says Jeffrey Knapp in a crosspost from The Conversation:

quote:

A proposal to exclude Australian-owned private companies from disclosing their income tax information is currently the subject of a Senate inquiry due to report on October 12.

The inquiry comes after the Abbott government sought to have around 700 companies with sales of more than $100 million exempted from disclosing how much tax they pay, citing concerns it could make the heads of these companies kidnap targets.

I'm on record as saying this is the stupidest excuse for non-disclosure I've ever heard.

Companies that run Australian businesses generating $100 million in gross annual income are likely to have a significant economic effect on the lives of many people � contractors, creditors, employees, customers and local communities.

It's therefore in the public interest that these companies be transparent and publicly accountable.

At the same time, it is beyond belief that there is an unsatiated demand in Australia for kidnapping because the baddies are unaware of who to take.

What of these frustrated would-be kidnappers that have been denied their stock-in-trade because no tax-related information is available for identifying targets?

What have these wannabes been doing with all their spare time?

They must be filled with deep regret about the lack of information from the ATO every time a Lexus LFA or Nissan GT-R passes them by.

Unfortunately though, it appears there are even worse excuses out there for non-disclosure.

There is considerable competition for mediocre excuses in the submissions to the Senate inquiry and in the earlier submissions to a June 2015 exposure draft entitled, "Better targeting the income tax transparency laws".

Some excuses for non-disclosure other than kidnapping that have been trotted out in public submissions by big business and the accounting and legal fraternity are listed below, along with a response.

"Affairs of private companies relate to individuals and family activities and they are entitled to the human rights of privacy."
Companies are not entitled to human rights. It is silly to think you can't lift the corporate veil because of privacy concerns. If you want to be that private, then don't be a shareholder or director of a company.

"The information may be used to exert commercial pricing or other leverage or advantages over companies."
Businesses with $100 million annual gross income are more likely to be the ones exerting that sort of pressure.

"The information may create false perceptions or be misread and misinterpreted resulting in reputational damage or additional costs to protect reputation."
It is a sufficient condition that the information is accurate and from a credible source.

"Information being misused and misinterpreted, thereby eroding public confidence in the integrity of the current tax system."
Transparency will assist the Federal Parliament to identify how to make the current tax system fairer thereby leading to increased public confidence.

"Taxpayers will be encouraged to restructure or implement complex structures to avoid disclosure."
Companies that restructure primarily to avoid something tax-related - good luck with that.

"The information will mean that a family company's children and adults will be burdened by people seeking money and undue harassment."
We all cope with that burden from time to time.

"It is discrimination and contrary to the rule of law."
Targeting multinationals for tax disclosure over Australian-owned companies is discriminatory.

More at the link, but how blatant eh. Oh for a politician who would laugh them out of the hearing.

# ? Oct 1, 2015 04:49

Negligent: Aug 20, 2013; Its just lovely here this time of year.

It's the laziest journalism in the world to find a disgruntled architect and write down what he/she says. My special snowflake artistic vision was ruined :allears:

# ? Oct 1, 2015 04:52

Unimpressed: Feb 13, 2013

Cartoon posted:

Well in the ten million example I believe the xenophobe in question was taking general immigration and trying to suggest it would reduce our social safety net. I claim (regardless of the numbers, and 10 million is probably a bit silly, again not my starting point) that this is dumb as poo poo and offered a google string to assist in gaining an understanding. I don't think there was a timeline included in the original claim however so don't conclude one year is in anyway related to the total number suggested.

Here let me Google that for you:

"Completely unprecedented" Complete bollocks more like it.

http://www.australia.gov.au/about-australia/australian-story/changing-face-of-modern-australia-1950s-to-1970s

http://www.sbs.com.au/gold/story.php?storyid=49

General educational information

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-04-21/carvalho-why-migrants-may-be-our-greatest-economic-asset/6409042

Now what a total sustainable population for Australia is, what a sensible rate of population growth is and what immigration level is necessary to continue the consumerist poo poo pool we all know and love are all interesting questions. The proposition that more immigration is bad for the disadvantaged is not well founded and would probably only be possible if we kept doing socially regressive things like this current mob of substantially white male clowns are.

The xenophobe in question likes how you are conveniently ignoring the fact that in the time periods you mentioned we had not social safety net, but carry on.

I'm in no way claiming the migration, even from poor countries, even in much larger numbers than what we currently have would be beneficial in the long term. I firmly believe that Germany will be reaping the benefits of its 1 million incoming migrants in about 10 years or so. But you muppets are advocating just throwing the borders open to anyone who wants to come. Cue lots of people from very poor countries immediately coming over, because why wouldn't you? If you think we could sustain our standard of living over the immediate thirty years or so if that happened, then you're as dumb as your posts suggest.

Basically you've taken this extreme ideological anarchist position about how borders are evil and turned it into a dumb as gently caress policy head fart. But who cares what I think, clearly I hate foreign people so so much.

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Cartoon: Jun 20, 2008; poop

http://www.brw.com.au/lists/rich-200/2015/

But what if people find out? Clearly the BRW are in league with the people ~~smugglers~~ kidnappers. It's like we are living in a bad Liberal Club university revue.

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