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El Pollo Blanco posted:He drove through South Auckland once with his doors unlocked. Dudes insane even I wouldn't risk that
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I liked living in clendon 
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Oct 4, 2015 06:27
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It's not very surprising that 'progressive liberals' are racist.
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Oct 4, 2015 06:49
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A human heart posted:It's not very surprising that 'progressive liberals' are racist. They're exactly the same thing as conservative Christians They love censoring poo poo and they really love some good, down home
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Oct 4, 2015 06:54
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On the plus side I look forward to saying "nigga, you crazy" next time RIU quotes me a fee for a good review.
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Oct 4, 2015 12:15
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Sounds like the TPPA will be signed shortly - without a good deal for dairy. I'm more worried about all those chapters that aren't about trade.... such as internet restrictions.
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Oct 4, 2015 22:40
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welp.
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Oct 4, 2015 22:42
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truther posted:Sounds like the TPPA will be signed shortly - without a good deal for dairy. It's a victory for transparency and democracy, except the parts about not knowing what's in the treaty or being able to have representation on the unknown content.
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BARONS CYBER SKULL posted:Or did he once buy a Eminem album? Or as we pronounce it here, Eemineem.
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Oct 4, 2015 23:53
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quote:Donnan said there were "gaps closing" on the politically sensitive issues of access to dairy markets and patent protections for pharmaceuticals, which could clear the way for a deal. 
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Oct 5, 2015 01:41
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Doesn't matter, Kiribati will be underwater in no time 
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Oct 5, 2015 01:46
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Oh man, without its narrative the only advantage Red Peak has over Silver Fern now is that it doesn't look like hot poo poo warmed over.
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Oct 5, 2015 02:17
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AFAIK we can sign agreements all day long, it doesn't matter until parliament passes a law to implement the specific things agreed upon. So we probably preemptively passed a law for 3 strikes, and it will mean other signatories can say "hey what about that law for blaa blaa blaa - you signed an agreement you know" but its not like corporate entities can sue the Nz govt for allowing importing of goods or whatever tomorrow.
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klen dool posted:but its not like corporate entities can sue the Nz govt for allowing importing of goods or whatever tomorrow. Haha.
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klen dool posted:AFAIK we can sign agreements all day long, it doesn't matter until parliament passes a law to implement the specific things agreed upon. Then they will assemble the required legislative act to implement the necessary law changes and will push that through under urgency. So yeah, not tomorrow, but it's not like the formal ratification process will cause any significant delay.
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Oct 5, 2015 04:36
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Ghostlight posted:Actually once we sign the agreement then then the government will attempt to pass it as a minor bilateral treaty so that it only requires cabinet approval. When that fails they will attempt to present it under urgency to force a vote without allowing for the text to be examined by the House. If that fails they will argue rare and urgent circumstances and force a binding treaty action before the select committee reports back. Christ really? Its that easy?
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klen dool posted:Christ really? Its that easy? Remember when they made illegally spying on citizens legal retroactively?
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It's insanely easy for the government to pass legislation through our Parliament, as long as they tell Peter Dunne that everything is going to be fine.
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Exclamation Marx posted:It's insanely easy for the government to pass legislation through our Parliament, as long as they tell Peter Dunne that everything is going to be fine. Good point. BARONS CYBER SKULL posted:Remember when they made illegally spying on citizens legal retroactively? Good point also. We're hosed.
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Exclamation Marx posted:ughhh That section of the international date line looks so gerrymandered it could be a Texas congressional district. I don't think you can really use it to make an unrelated point about why one bad flag would be better than another bad flag. #6badflags Varkk fucked around with this message at 06:26 on Oct 5, 2015 |
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Exclamation Marx posted:ughhh This is some fox news level poo poo right here.
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Exclamation Marx posted:It's insanely easy for the government to pass legislation through our Parliament, as long as they tell Peter Dunne that everything is going to be fine. We know now what we must do. E: Write to him. Somfin fucked around with this message at 06:57 on Oct 5, 2015 |
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idk how big of a loss the pharmac thing is really unless things actually go significantly backwards from where wea re currently 99.99% of people are going to get identical treatment
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Pharmac is going to need to be overhauled in the future if immunotherapy drugs become a proper thing but the TPPA debate has normalised the idea that we'll have to settle for less in the future - precisely at the time we need it to do more 
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Oct 5, 2015 07:31
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echinopsis posted:unless things actually go significantly backwards Well, we elected John Key twice now.
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Oct 5, 2015 07:41
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Going backward would actually be a significant improvement over the direction the country is heading.
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Oct 5, 2015 07:50
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Ghostlight posted:Going backward would actually be a significant improvement over the direction the country is heading. Debate & Discussion: The Problem Attic > New Zealand Politics: Dig Up, Stupid!
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BARONS CYBER SKULL posted:Well, we elected John Key twice now. Have you just black out an election?
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Oct 5, 2015 11:18
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El Pollo Blanco posted:Have you just black out an election? It's 2013 right?
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Oct 5, 2015 14:33
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Welp there goes the TPP. Looks like the pharma stuff was watered down a bit (5-8 years instead of 12) but we got screwed on dairy.
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Saros posted:Welp there goes the TPP. Looks like the pharma stuff was watered down a bit (5-8 years instead of 12) but we got screwed on dairy. We got screwed - on everything.
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Oct 5, 2015 18:52
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Saros posted:Welp there goes the TPP. Looks like the pharma stuff was watered down a bit (5-8 years instead of 12) but we got screwed on dairy. We did it! We can finally trade with other countries! Wait you mean we already could? Just not "freely"? And by "freely" you mean with a bunch of corporate-pushed rules and regulations that seek to actively destroy competition for profit? Huh.
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quote:Groser said Kiwis will not pay any more for medicine as a result of the TPPA and the "cost of the subsidy bill will not go up [by] any large extent". So we get to spend 4.5 million, plus an extre 2.5 million a year for.... ???
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BARONS CYBER SKULL posted:So we get to spend 4.5 million, plus an extre 2.5 million a year for.... Well its software, so we can triple both the estimate and the time for us to build this vague "information sharing" platform for sharing information with our trading partners.
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Oct 5, 2015 19:59
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klen dool posted:We got screwed - on everything. Mind elaborating?
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Oct 5, 2015 22:42
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Groser basically said "yeah, in the end the dairy concessions were not that great but we're a tiny country and we got what we could" which means the whole thing is a pig because the dairy concessions were the only benefit to us. They're talking down the Pharmac costs by emphasising that consumers will not pay more for subsidised medicines, which is a tacit political admission that the subsidies are going to cost more. Our copyright will be forcibly extended, and our protections against foreign ownership will be diminished. We don't know more details than that because they are still yet to write the actual text of the deal, and Groser says he won't give more details because the Canadians are having an election soon.
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Ghostlight posted:We don't know more details than that because they are still yet to write the actual text of the deal Always sign a deal that you don't know the exact details of while hiding it from everyone it effects. That's always the best way to do things!
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Oct 5, 2015 23:03
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If it weren't a good idea then the market would prevent it.
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Groser would willing sign a blank check for you if you told him it was only gonna be for $5
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