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The only time you'd actually get an i5 to do that is if you try to bring any Haswell up to 5ghz and it's more likely you fry the CPU than the PSU in that case
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FaustianQ posted:It's apparently more than that. Rumor is, The more interesting news to come out of this is that AMD let slip that Zen probably won't be out until early 2017. "we remain on track for “Zen” sampling in 2016 with first full year of revenue in 2017". Optimistically maybe they'll sneak a very low volume part out in Dec. 2016 for reviews or price gouged enthusiast sales. Would love to be wrong about this but well, its AMD.
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Seriously, I'd spring for :AMD:, but let's face it, there's always the chance that the company doesn't survive 2015.
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SwissArmyDruid posted:Seriously, I'd spring for :AMD:, but let's face it, there's always the chance that the company doesn't survive 2015.
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Server platform Zen is supposed to come before desktop Zen though.
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PC LOAD LETTER posted:Supposedly K12 is still on but delayed until 2017 and Keller wasn't interested in waiting around that long so he split. The Zen design team is now working on Zen+. Source: RWT forums so still possibly BS but better than my WAG's and other speculation on various forums. Last I knew Zen was scheduled for October release, and April sampling, so this might be TSMCfucksAMD.dll, which might also mean delays in Pascal and Greenland. I think the focus on Zen and then K12 might simply be that server and HPC are a steadier income stream that can stabilize AMD longterm, while diving into mobile could make gains, it's also cramped and could easily destroy the company. Further, a K12 with a lot of x86 influence, a Radeon iGPU and HBM is compelling, but it needs to be sold at tremendous volume, and AMD has neither the capital nor the necessary HBM to accomplish that. So stabilize the company with Zen and Greenland, try to expand with K12 and Zen+. Done right AMD might be worthy of being called a tech giant again. SwissArmyDruid posted:Seriously, I'd spring for :AMD:, but let's face it, there's always the chance that the company doesn't survive 2015. 2016 you mean, it'll survive 2015 (it's actually recovering sales), just that Greenland needs to be a hit and sampling of Zen must be promising for 2017 to be a thing. Keep in mind that a successful AMD might kill Nvidia since they'll be able to fuel GPU development from their wider portfolio. Everything Nvidia has done that isn't GPU related has been a disaster, even though Tegra K1 isn't bad just  .
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I know what I typed, mister. 
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PC LOAD LETTER posted:price gouged enthusiast sales. AMD enthusiast is a label that still exists?
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SpelledBackwards posted:AMD enthusiast is a label that still exists? These days they're called fanboys, but yes.
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I am enthusiastic about the idea of not a monopolopy.
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FaustianQ posted:this might be TSMCfucksAMD.dll, which might also mean delays in Pascal and Greenland. FaustianQ posted:I think the focus on Zen and then K12 might simply be that server and HPC are a steadier income stream that can stabilize AMD longterm SpelledBackwards posted:AMD enthusiast is a label that still exists? edit: they sold out on Amazon pretty quick at launch though apparently they're back in supply now, newegg isn't the only place that sells lots of PC parts too so I'm not sure what your point is there on pricing.\/\/\/ PC LOAD LETTER fucked around with this message at 14:55 on Sep 21, 2015 |
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Sep 21, 2015 06:19
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Nano was $30 off at newegg and never sold out
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Is there any info on Zen's instruction set (like is AVX-512 going to be available)?
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SpelledBackwards posted:AMD enthusiast is a label that still exists?
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mmkay posted:Is there any info on Zen's instruction set (like is AVX-512 going to be available)? edit: yea :/ \/\/\/\/\/ PC LOAD LETTER fucked around with this message at 23:29 on Sep 21, 2015 |
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PC LOAD LETTER posted:Nothing official yet on the details of Zen. That is part of the reason why this thread is talking about Intel most of the time. There just isn't much to talk about usually. FTFY
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My workplace just bought the office some Carrizo-based HP laptops to replace the ancient Nehalem i5 Dells. Elite Book 700's. Our office suite has been Libre since our owner decided Office was too pricey his business. "HSA is the future today!!!" marketing is working?
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A Bad King posted:My workplace just bought the office some Carrizo-based HP laptops to replace the ancient Nehalem i5 Dells. Elite Book 700's. As for your work buying AMD for anything, lol. Now, I didn't really check the power draw on their low-end parts but unless a beefy APU was a core requirement, I just can't see it being worth it?
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Apparently HSA+Libre is the tits if your hobby is visualizing gigantic spreadsheets or processing databases into pie charts. If it was your job you would probably be using very expensive software that includes a service hotline.
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Marinmo posted:I quit using Libre the day it kept capitalizing "i" in other languages than English, also the spell check was horribly broken/a mess in general. Why even bother with something else than Office, honestly? After using free, as good as it is for being just that, is a lot of the time equal to sub-par in these cases. It's actually not bad. We use Google Apps for Work in the training center with our certification business, and Libre Office in the office. I don't know of any apps we use that benefit from this "APU PRO" over an i5, yet these are really nice looking laptops with really pretty screens for "please buy them" pricing; I saw the PO and it was <$700 a unit for something with a SSD, Windows 7 downgrade rights from Win 10 pro and a good portion of RAM with a IPS 1080p touchscreen panel? What the gently caress is "12 compute cores," is AMD really marketing the number of "cores" the same way they do with their consumer APUs? That doesn't work in the business world...
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Carrizo chips have a few encryption and prosumer security features Intel refuses to put in their non-i7 non-ULV mobile lines (until the recent introduction of mobile Xeon) so there's that. Not sure if your company is actually using those though!!!
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A Bad King posted:My workplace just bought the office some Carrizo-based HP laptops to replace the ancient Nehalem i5 Dells. Elite Book 700's. I'd wager it's more of quote:our owner decided Office was too pricey his business. quote:"please buy them" pricing The price has determined the purchases, not hardware. But it's a good thing that the hardware compliments your tools.
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Rosoboronexport posted:I'd wager it's more of Up until 5 months ago I was sitting with a Prescott P4 as my gerber file editor, and got an upgrade to a Dell E7500 Core2Duo. We are cheap.
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So its speculation but its the best speculation about Zen we have so far and is actually based on some real information, but this is probably what Zen will look like from a layout perspective: Other details point to it being a 'brainiac' design with moderate to high-ish (3-4Ghz) clocks but still can't really say exactly what the performance will be. Only that it really should be lots faster than Excavator at single threaded work loads. Also seems to be reusing parts of Excavator/BD (branch predictor) too in order to simplify design and time to market.
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I am all for AMD getting back in the game. Competition and choices are awesome!
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KinkyJohn posted:I am all for AMD getting back in the game. Competition and choices are awesome!
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Anime Schoolgirl posted:Let's not get ahead of ourselves here He should be mildly hopeful this isn't a complete dumpster fire of a product?
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I would maybe hold on to that enthusiasm or at least spend it on products that actually exist. At this point it's like a kickstarter or maybe Schrödinger's processor.
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More details on Zen leaked! http://wccftech.com/amd-zen-cpu-core-microarchitecture-detailed Doubling down on IPC and floating point performance!  Reading this, Zen looks more K10 versus Construction core... A Bad King fucked around with this message at 15:17 on Oct 5, 2015 |
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Nystral posted:He should be mildly hopeful this isn't a complete dumpster fire of a product?
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Why does this article feel weird to read? Isn't doubling the number of floating point units and bringing in SMT just part of bringing things back to normal a.k.a. not-Bulldozer? Some of the rhetoric is hamming things up a little hard.
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WCCFtech articles are usually poorly written. The other one I linked is more concise. 'Normal' is a weird way of looking at it. Features like SMT have been around in one form or another for a while in consumer x86 CPU's so maybe you're taking them for granted? To me the layout looks awfully reminiscent of Sandy Bridge with Excavator's FPU tacked on but there is no word of a trace cache which would be a Big Deal to have both from a performance and power efficiency. No details on the L3 cache or how CPU's will communicate with each other too. With a L2 a bit on the small side vs modern Intel CPU's its going to need a pretty good L3 that 'talks' well with the other CPU's to perform well on server work loads.
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PC LOAD LETTER posted:Features like SMT have been around in one form or another for a while in consumer x86 CPU's so maybe you're taking them for granted? This is probably the case; I am often the victim of special branding of features i.e. hyperthreading that get me curious about them, under the illusion that it's unique.
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PC LOAD LETTER posted:To me the layout looks awfully reminiscent of Sandy Bridge with Excavator's FPU tacked on but there is no word of a trace cache which would be a Big Deal to have both from a performance and power efficiency. No details on the L3 cache or how CPU's will communicate with each other too. With a L2 a bit on the small side vs modern Intel CPU's its going to need a pretty good L3 that 'talks' well with the other CPU's to perform well on server work loads. Intel hasn't used a trace cache since Nehalem - or do you mean a micro-op cache? Those usually aren't listed separately as they're just part of the ICache. The L1 is half the size of Haswell, but the L2 is twice as large (assuming it's 512kB per core) - so mixed positive/negative. It will depend on what you're running, as always. Anything remotely in the ballpark with decent platform support will get them at least some kind of market share. ...we can hope at least...
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Zen is a reverse engineering job of an ivy bridge chip calling it now.
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Boiled Water posted:Zen is a reverse engineering job of an ivy bridge chip calling it now. A return to their roots, cool.
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Boiled Water posted:Zen is a reverse engineering job of an ivy bridge chip calling it now. This would be fine and awesome, if AMD is able to sell an Ivy Bridge i7 in 2016 for $150 we're cooking with gas.
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JawnV6 posted:A return to their roots, cool. full circle 
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Twerk from Home posted:This would be fine and awesome, if AMD is able to sell an Ivy Bridge i7 in 2016 for $150 we're cooking with gas. At this point you could just buy an i7 2600k on eBay, probably for less, so it'd have to be something very special or very, very cheap.
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Twerk from Home posted:This would be fine and awesome, if AMD is able to sell an Ivy Bridge i7 in 2016 for $150 we're cooking with gas. I think Zen will likely have better performance than Ivy Bridge, how much is debatable. 3-4Ghz is fine as well as long there is headroom. Still even then pricing determines everything and AMD just might have a good product a year too late, despite Lisa Su's confidence or Jim Keller the wandering technomancer's skill.
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