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Welp it happened, I was trying to alleviate the fears and nonstop posting of someone on Facebook by saying, "don't worry, elementary schools full of dead kids isn't enough to START a gun conversation in this country, nobody is taking your guns" and her response was, "you mean the school shooting that never happened?" gently caress this gay Earth edit - "You know that no matter what side you vote for they both still work for the same people. Although Hilary works for satan."
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Epic High Five posted:Welp it happened, I was trying to alleviate the fears and nonstop posting of someone on Facebook by saying, "don't worry, elementary schools full of dead kids isn't enough to START a gun conversation in this country, nobody is taking your guns" and her response was, "you mean the school shooting that never happened?"
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fade5 posted:Send her that picture of Alan Kurdi (the toddler on the beach), and ask if that's fake too. Yeah no lie, I'm afraid to. Anyway, I was upset that I couldn't really get a conversation going because as soon as I asked something like, "do you think Sheriff Mueller is going to take out ads and go on national TV to tell the parents in his town with all the dead kids that they're lying, like his lot did to the Sandy Hook parents last time?" or "is he going to go door to door arresting people who have their kids in hiding because Obama ordered it?" she just pivoted inelegantly to an completely unrelated talking point 
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You might want to start by letting her know that They Live wasn't a documentary.Epic High Five posted:Yeah no lie, I'm afraid to. There's literally no way to win an argument with someone that is into crisis actor theories. Everything you could throw at them will be deflected. They're already convinced that there's a shadow organization that goes through the process of orchestrating fantastically complex scenarios, including known actors and all local governmental/media organizations, when sending in a paid idiot with a gun would accomplish the same thing for like $50. If you still want to try, the conspiracy and FWD email threads are good spots to start. Sir Tonk fucked around with this message at 03:37 on Oct 5, 2015 |
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It may surprise you to discover that people with irrational thoughts cannot be rationally appealed to
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Or that, that's a good way to look at it.
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Yea there's kinda just a point where you have to say 'what, you're insane, bye'. She's made a small condo in that point.
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Epic High Five posted:Welp it happened, I was trying to alleviate the fears and nonstop posting of someone on Facebook by saying, "don't worry, elementary schools full of dead kids isn't enough to START a gun conversation in this country, nobody is taking your guns" and her response was, "you mean the school shooting that never happened?" I remember when the Sandy Hook crisis actor nonsense was limited to delusional schizophrenics. I guess you can argue it's the same train of thought as 9/11 truthers: They either can't or don't want to believe something that evil and random can occur, so they take comfort in thinking it's a grand conspiracy hatched and carefully controlled by intellectual masterminds.
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Its important to remember than rationalism and critical thought are a unique capability of the human brain but they are not inherent to the human brain. We are hard wired to be stupid, gullible, and reluctant to rethink prior assumptions. You cannot universally appeal to human rationality because human rationality is not universal. Very many people instinctively take positions for irrational reasons and will never abandon them. The best you can do is endeavor to hold yourself to being rational and skeptical and constantly challenge your own assumptions. Those around you cannot be converted by a solid argument as ideally as we would like to believe they can.
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Rhesus Pieces posted:I remember when the Sandy Hook crisis actor nonsense was limited to delusional schizophrenics. Wait so those weren't missiles bought by the illuminati then? What were they, planes? As if. I'm not being serious.
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Oct 5, 2015 03:45
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Guess running into an actual, honest to god Sandy Hook truther was too much for even my seasoning brain to deal with. I guess I was just really really hoping she would say that she hoped Mueller went around arresting grieving parents because Obama
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mr. mephistopheles posted:Yeah I guess. I'm just annoyed people bitch about conservatives doing this same loving poo poo and run themselves in circles about how no this is totally different when it isn't. It's just pointless pedantry to score points on the other team and feel smug. Enjoy the circlejerk. All I think he's asking for is a certain reverence towards nuance and not knee-jerking against a more moderate, "Even if it's not intentional, you have to admit there's a similar hard-line reactionary behavior that we should shy away from." I agree that we should speak as loudly as possible. I also agree with mr. mephistopheles that there are reasons to constrain the emotional need to make very dogmatic statements, without naunce. I say this because I think I agree with him that in so many cases those posts are basically just as bad as the RWM knee-jerk reactions that make us all so angry, with the exception being that when we do it, it's from our own outrage and comes off as just as calculated, even when it is not. I think he deserves to be heard and I think he makes valid points, yet other posters in D&D just want to censor him and it seems like a purity test to me. I don't approve of purity tests. I think we should all be on the same side and allow some leeway for minor disagreements without trying to censor someone.
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Dr. Faustus posted:Opinions are subjective, and in many ways I agree with mr. mephitopheles even when he says things that stiffens the backs of some posters around here. I think his points are indeed valid and that we, as the opposition, should take care not to use attacks against them that then work against us as well. As a person who has just snorted about 30 tubes of Elmers glue, I agree Mercury_Storm fucked around with this message at 04:39 on Oct 5, 2015 |
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Oct 5, 2015 04:32
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Saying someone posted a dumb thing: basically censorship and silencing. Did you know if you quote a post and make fun of it goons are sent to bust someone's computer up?
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Dr. Faustus posted:Opinions are subjective, and in many ways I agree with mr. mephitopheles You'd better repent now before it's too late, Mr. Mephistopheles doesn't have your best interests at heart. Also that's not the real Helen of Troy.
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DON'T YOU BRING HELEN INTO THIS!Tatum Girlparts posted:Saying someone posted a dumb thing: basically censorship and silencing. I don't think what he said was particularly dumb, I think he was trying to point out a valid critique of taking a real-world matter in which nuance is valuable and turning into a binary "with us or against us" purity test. I cannot support that. Thank you sirs, may I have another? Dr. Faustus fucked around with this message at 04:53 on Oct 5, 2015 |
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Oct 5, 2015 04:46
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lol at idiots that conflate criticism with censorship.
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Cnidaria posted:lol at idiots that conflate criticism with censorship. That is censorship. You drive out your own with your ad hom attacks and then claim that's criticism? It's not. It's bullying. It's dog-piling. There's no justification for it. He was respectful, but was met with personal attacks. That's not defensible. It's not debate. It's not even reasoned discussion. I might be an idiot, but this is not why. I'm an idiot for even responding to this kind of personal attack over a difference of opinion on a forum purportedly devoted to debate and discussion.
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Thank mom. I'll be sure to keep that in mind the next time some guy comes in and starts screaming about "you liberals" he believes to be doing XXXXX thing. Bonus points if XXXXX thing is a talking point from Fox or Limbaugh.
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Liberals are so mean. A conservative just says from the heart that we shouldn't lift a finger to stop massacres because poo poo happens, and those mean nasy ol' libs say that's a bad attitude for a president to have towards public safety. So mean.
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So I tried to figure out why a gay man posting on Breitbart is loved by the audience that DESPISES LGBT population. This comment perfectly sums up whyquote:Jonnysuavo • 11 hours ago It is all about "he is on our side"
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Epic High Five posted:Guess running into an actual, honest to god Sandy Hook truther was too much for even my seasoning brain to deal with. I guess I was just really really hoping she would say that she hoped Mueller went around arresting grieving parents because Obama They exist here, too. Even in Newtown there are freaking truthers. Although, in Connecticut after Sandy Hook, we actually did
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Epic High Five posted:Guess running into an actual, honest to god Sandy Hook truther was too much for even my seasoning brain to deal with. I guess I was just really really hoping she would say that she hoped Mueller went around arresting grieving parents because Obama I have an Uncle who is a Sandy Hook truther. What someone said earlier about "people who believe in crisis actors are to far gone already" was 100% right. He carries a "survival straw" with him everywhere because he's worried about mind controlling drugs in the water.
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SalTheBard posted:He carries a "survival straw" with him everywhere because he's worried about mind controlling drugs in the water. I... I'm sorry, what?
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squibble posted:I... I'm sorry, what? Looks like they already got to you, sorry.
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I cannot imagine the sort of person who would have to appear on camera in front of a microphone and allow their roots to get that bad.
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squibble posted:I... I'm sorry, what? Water purifier thingy in a straw.
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squibble posted:I... I'm sorry, what? http://www.ammoland.com/2014/07/survival-water-filters/#axzz3ni3Hxj00 Might not be effective at filtering out mind controlling drugs though
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King Metal posted:http://www.ammoland.com/2014/07/survival-water-filters/#axzz3ni3Hxj00 The enemy is so overwhelmingly competent that they have secretly put mind control drugs into everyone's water without the knowledge of all but the lucky few, but also so staggeringly incompetent that those drugs are defeated by water filters, despite the fact that large numbers of people have home water filters for their drinking water.
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Dirk the Average posted:The enemy is so overwhelmingly competent that they have secretly put mind control drugs into everyone's water without the knowledge of all but the lucky few, but also so staggeringly incompetent that those drugs are defeated by water filters, despite the fact that large numbers of people have home water filters for their drinking water. Now picture this with the speaker unironically puffing a cigarette.
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Dirk the Average posted:The enemy is so overwhelmingly competent that they have secretly put mind control drugs into everyone's water without the knowledge of all but the lucky few, but also so staggeringly incompetent that those drugs are defeated by water filters, despite the fact that large numbers of people have home water filters for their drinking water. There you go again being rational and applying basic critical thinking skills. Or as that uncle would call it, "being a smart-rear end."
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Hah! You think "they" aren't aware of these? "They" load up the filter cartridges with double doses!
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Obviously the people who make the filters are the first ones you'd target for mind control, Jesus Christ.
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Rhesus Pieces posted:There you go again being rational and applying basic critical thinking skills. Or as that uncle would call it, "being a smart-rear end." Someone should tell him that the chemical can be absorbed through the skin.
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SPLC has added Liberty Counsel to the list of Hate Groups.
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Rev. Bleech_ posted:witness ye the collision of lolbertarianism, Florida, Paganism, and Rand-style vanity holy poo poo, thats some andrew ryan level ego self dick sucking there. also naming himself after a roman cult holiday is funny to me.
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