|
Evil Fluffy posted:Anyone who says they enjoy working at a prison should probably be executed for the good of humanity. I'm sure gaolers who hate their jobs will take much better care of their charges.
|
#
?
Oct 5, 2015 19:08
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 25, 2024 00:46 |
|
|
If you enjoy working at a prison you are broken.
|
|
#
?
Oct 5, 2015 19:10
|
|
|
Seems like a good guess.
|
|
#
?
Oct 5, 2015 19:10
|
|
|
Dead Reckoning posted:I'm sure gaolers who hate their jobs will take much better care of their charges. They won't be eager to move on to the next prison beatdown when they hate doing so or being around the prisoners, so yeah probably? You'd have to put some effort in to making our prison system worse.
|
|
#
?
Oct 5, 2015 19:12
|
|
|
Luigi Thirty posted:If you enjoy working at a prison you are broken. Wasn't there some college that did an experiment where they took some students and made some prisoners, and others guards, and it just naturally devolved into the "guards" abusing the "prisoners"? Slickdrac fucked around with this message at 19:16 on Oct 5, 2015 |
|
#
?
Oct 5, 2015 19:13
|
|
|
Really I don't see what the DoD can even do about the situation other than restrict the Afghans from direct fire support calls, which is going to cause problems all its own. It's the kind of thing where you have to acknowledge the tragedy and ask, "What the gently caress are we supposed to do?" when there are no good sociopolitical options to Afghanistan or most of the mideast for that matter.
|
|
#
?
Oct 5, 2015 19:13
|
|
|
Slickdrac posted:Wasn't there some college that did an experiment where they took some students and made some prisoners, and others guards, and it just naturally devolved into the "guards" abusing the "prisoners"? That's the Stanford prison experiment, and it was really bad science. Zimbardo, for all his fame, didn't build as good an experiment as required for the kind of experiment it was. Best to be forgotten.
|
|
#
?
Oct 5, 2015 19:14
|
|
|
Trabisnikof posted:If you actually think someone in the Pentagon made the decision to blow up a MSF hospital, knowing it was a hospital and knowing there were no enemy there, you are an idiot. I'm sorry but that is actually what happened. I don't have to think or believe it.
|
|
#
?
Oct 5, 2015 19:15
|
|
|
euphronius posted:I'm sorry but that is actually what happened. No, stop. This is not actually what happened. That's not how the military works. Short of the SecDef, no one in the Pentagon is even in the operational chain of command.
|
|
#
?
Oct 5, 2015 19:16
|
|
|
euphronius posted:I'm sorry but that is actually what happened. The motivation being? Why isn't incompetence a much more plausible answer?
|
|
#
?
Oct 5, 2015 19:17
|
|
|
A bunch of upperclass white dudes, checks out.
|
|
#
?
Oct 5, 2015 19:17
|
|
|
Democrats have got some balls ever since McCarthy came out and admitted the Benghazi hearings were to attack Hillary: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/democrats-benghazi-committee-cheryl-mills-mccarthy quote:The Democratic members included previously unreported excerpts of the interview with Mills in the letter, and they told Gowdy that the State Department and Mills' lawyers have five days to identify parts of the interview that should remain private before making the entire transcript public. Long and short, republicans interviewed one of Clinton's aides, but said it was confidential, no one could ever see the transcript, then leaked a bunch of poo poo anyway, but it was all out of context to try to make Hillary look bad. The full transcripts show they are completely full of poo poo.
|
|
#
?
Oct 5, 2015 19:17
|
|
|
Boon posted:No, stop. This is not actually what happened. That's not how the military works. The military doesn't blow up buildings?
|
|
#
?
Oct 5, 2015 19:18
|
|
|
Slickdrac posted:Wasn't there some college that did an experiment where they took some students and made some prisoners, and others guards, and it just naturally devolved into the "guards" abusing the "prisoners"? The Stanford prison experiment -- half the participants were guards and the other were prisoners. The guards took to implementing psychological torture and the prisoners took to passive acceptance and eventually torturing other prisoners on orders of the guards.
|
|
#
?
Oct 5, 2015 19:19
|
|
|
i don't get how the airstrike being called in by the afghani army absolves the us military of repeatedly bombing a hospital that was radioing to anyone who would listen that it was in fact a hospital
|
|
#
?
Oct 5, 2015 19:19
|
|
|
Trabisnikof posted:The motivation being? I don't understand are you saying they meant to target some other building ? Even the pentagon doesn't say that.
|
|
#
?
Oct 5, 2015 19:19
|
|
|
Condiv posted:i don't get how the airstrike being called in by the afghani army absolves the us military of repeatedly bombing a hospital that was radioing to anyone who would listen that it was in fact a hospital Yeah and that's even assuming you believe the pernicious foreigner slur.
|
|
#
?
Oct 5, 2015 19:20
|
|
|
Condiv posted:i don't get how the airstrike being called in by the afghani army absolves the us military of repeatedly bombing a hospital that was radioing to anyone who would listen that it was in fact a hospital Someone's never heard of taqiyya.
|
|
#
?
Oct 5, 2015 19:20
|
|
|
Franco Potente posted:Repost from the US Senate thread: Bad news for NH. Our democratic governors have been the only thing keeping this state from looking like Wisconsin, Kansas, etc. Hopefully we get a good candidate for governor to replace her and the presidential election helps with turnout.
|
|
#
?
Oct 5, 2015 19:20
|
|
|
Honestly, at this point I'm just glad Obama's first response was "this is horrible, we're going to investigate it" rather than "our armed forces are the most moral in the world, this is the Taliban's fault for sure."
|
|
#
?
Oct 5, 2015 19:21
|
|
|
Slickdrac posted:Wasn't there some college that did an experiment where they took some students and made some prisoners, and others guards, and it just naturally devolved into the "guards" abusing the "prisoners"? Yeah, the Stanford Prison Experiment. It's been heavily criticized. Zimbardo went in with the intent to prove that bad environments cause bad behavior, one of the guards admitted to causing strife in order to give the researchers material to work with, most of the guards did not exhibit any cruel or unusual behavior, and the results were based mostly on Zimbardo's anecdotes and can't be replicated. EDIT: Beaten like a non-compliant prisoner. Condiv posted:i don't get how the airstrike being called in by the afghani army absolves the us military of repeatedly bombing a hospital that was radioing to anyone who would listen that it was in fact a hospital Dead Reckoning fucked around with this message at 19:25 on Oct 5, 2015 |
|
#
?
Oct 5, 2015 19:21
|
|
|
Condiv posted:i don't get how the airstrike being called in by the afghani army absolves the us military of repeatedly bombing a hospital that was radioing to anyone who would listen that it was in fact a hospital They actually stopped the bombing fairly quickly, when one considers the game of telephone required. euphronius posted:I don't understand are you saying they meant to target some other building ? Even the pentagon doesn't say that. Or they thought there were insergence there, or the Pentagon never got all the info, or the Pentagon gave vague orders, etc
|
|
#
?
Oct 5, 2015 19:21
|
|
|
Condiv posted:i don't get how the airstrike being called in by the afghani army absolves the us military of repeatedly bombing a hospital that was radioing to anyone who would listen that it was in fact a hospital That's what the terrorists want you to think!
|
|
#
?
Oct 5, 2015 19:22
|
|
|
pathetic little tramp posted:France rules and every CEO in America should face this sort of consequence for their lovely actions: If going on strike ever becomes a fire-able offense there is always this option.
|
|
#
?
Oct 5, 2015 19:22
|
|
|
I hope someone gets court martialed. A whole bunch of people actually.
|
|
#
?
Oct 5, 2015 19:23
|
|
|
Internet Webguy posted:If going on strike ever becomes a fire-able offense there is always this option. It is for many employees.
|
|
#
?
Oct 5, 2015 19:23
|
|
|
Vauge orders hahah. Yes they meant for them to blow up another hospital. Mistakes were made.
|
|
#
?
Oct 5, 2015 19:24
|
|
|
Condiv posted:i don't get how the airstrike being called in by the afghani army absolves the us military of repeatedly bombing a hospital that was radioing to anyone who would listen that it was in fact a hospital I did not hear that they were radioing their identity... Youd need to show me a link to that. What I did hear was that they had identified their location multiple times previously, which would have put them on the No Strike List I mentioned earlier. Euphronious... Man we get it, but you're not looking for a rational discussion, you're looking for a kangaroo court
|
|
#
?
Oct 5, 2015 19:24
|
|
|
Urging for the prosecution of explicit war crimes = urging a kangaroo court.
|
|
#
?
Oct 5, 2015 19:25
|
|
|
Boon posted:Euphronious... Man we get it, but you're not looking for a rational discussion, you're looking for a kangaroo court euphronius posted:I don't have to think
|
|
#
?
Oct 5, 2015 19:26
|
|
|
Catheter = RPG Butterfly needle = AK47 IV stand = WMD
|
|
#
?
Oct 5, 2015 19:27
|
|
|
No, you're not seeking to understand the facts and the how. Youre making assumptions and calling for crucifictions despite not understanding anything more than a hospital was bombed.
|
|
#
?
Oct 5, 2015 19:27
|
|
|
euphronius posted:I hope someone gets court martialed. A whole bunch of people actually. Yeah this, along with several years at Leavenworth. Like, I totally buy the Afghan military being so loving incompetent that they called in an airstrike on a MSF hospital that has been at the same location for a while. The air crew not confirming the target, or them getting the green light from someone when it was on a "do not loving target this" list is the part that's 100% on the US soldiers.
|
|
#
?
Oct 5, 2015 19:28
|
|
|
euphronius posted:I hope someone gets court martialed. A whole bunch of people actually. Part of the problem is that it'll be difficult to say exactly where responsibility lies. The pilots followed the order of someone who should've known better, but that person authorized the bombing after receiving bad (?) information from Afghani soldiers on the ground who said that they were being fired on from the hospital. Obviously, you review practices after your guys incinerate a hospital and kill a bunch of doctors, but unless someone clearly hosed up in the chain of command, I doubt that anyone will go to prison for it.
|
|
#
?
Oct 5, 2015 19:29
|
|
|
Of course the USA would never bomb a hospital. But our perfidious nominal "allies"? Yeah they would totally do that . Of course they feed us bad coordinates. Americans are too good. The Afghan however ....
|
|
#
?
Oct 5, 2015 19:30
|
|
|
A Winner is Jew posted:Yeah this, along with several years at Leavenworth. The Do Not Strike list only applies to pre-planned targets, and that doesn't appear to be what happened in this case.
|
|
#
?
Oct 5, 2015 19:31
|
|
|
Zeroisanumber posted:Part of the problem is that it'll be difficult to say exactly where responsibility lies. The pilots followed the order of someone who should've known better, but that person authorized the bombing after receiving bad (?) information from Afghani soldiers on the ground who said that they were being fired on from the hospital. The person that authorized the bombing should have maybe checked the "don't loving target this" list before giving the green light. Air crew being in the middle is hosed up for them and all, but I really, really loving doubt the Afghani army had full control over what that gunship was targeting.
|
|
#
?
Oct 5, 2015 19:31
|
|
|
A Winner is Jew posted:Yeah this, along with several years at Leavenworth. I agree with this, but I don't think it's what Euph is saying.
|
|
#
?
Oct 5, 2015 19:32
|
|
|
Several People posted:Stanford Prison Experiment Thanks folks. Had only heard a very high level glossing of it in a 10 minute video that didn't point out the fallacies of it.
|
|
#
?
Oct 5, 2015 19:32
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 25, 2024 00:46 |
|
|
euphronius posted:Of course the USA would never bomb a hospital. But our perfidious nominal "allies"? Yeah they would totally do that . Of course they feed us bad coordinates. Americans are too good. The Afghan however .... I'm skeptical of the Afghan excuse, but it's within the realm of possibility. I'm interested in just who it is on the Afghani side that we trust to call down something as vicious and consequential as an airstrike. A Winner is Jew posted:...but I really, really loving doubt the Afghani army had full control over what that gunship was targeting. Yeah. That's the part that I'm really wondering about. Zeroisanumber fucked around with this message at 19:36 on Oct 5, 2015 |
|
#
?
Oct 5, 2015 19:34
|
|