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What a loving joke. Telus is only making 4 billion a year in profit but we're gonna invest 1b for you Vancouver folks over 5 years... Bow down peasants.
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Nitr0 posted:Bow down peasants.  Uh, thanks for doing me the favour of putting your TV ads in a place where I can sit quietly and watch them all.
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shadow puppet of a posted:They really do have a high opinion of themselves. I bet they have them monetized too, those motherfuckers.
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Also cuts into my piddling 400GB bandwidth allotment 
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Move to Elora or Walkerton, problem solved http://www.wightman.ca/ftth/index.php
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Yah or Woodstock or any 'rural' town where broadband subsidies apply.
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EngineerJoe posted:I was at the google Kitchener open house awhile ago and went to a Google Fiber session. Everyone asked about local fiber and they said they are interested and talked to the mayor but the crtc is the major obstacle. I'm a install/service contractor and the majority of new buildings and condo/apartment complexes going up in KW have fiber already run by the builders so it's only a matter of time before everyone will have access to some sort of fibre connection. Rogers will be rolling out 500Mb cable internet service soon as well. Sixfools fucked around with this message at 03:41 on Oct 5, 2015 |
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priznat posted:Also cuts into my piddling 400GB bandwidth allotment Nothing makes me more mad than this. They even offer semi-decent speeds, but gently caress you if you wanna use them. That'll be an extra $30 per month unless you wanna get charged insanely priced overages. When I finally bought the $30 unlimited data upgrade I moved around 10TB that month over my line.
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Just before we ditched Cogeco cable entirely (both TV and Internet), they started greatly limiting the stuff they put on TMN On-Demand (less than half of what TMN's website claimed) and saying you could just watch it online. Literally triple dipping at that point. John Capslocke fucked around with this message at 17:34 on Oct 5, 2015 |
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ChubbyThePhat posted:Nothing makes me more mad than this. They even offer semi-decent speeds, but gently caress you if you wanna use them. That'll be an extra $30 per month unless you wanna get charged insanely priced overages. When I finally bought the $30 unlimited data upgrade I moved around 10TB that month over my line. I am thinking of getting unlimited upgrade too, did you notice any throttling? I'd like to shift my NAS features to the cloud especially for backups (via crashplan) and could probably do a TB a month if I push it.
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priznat posted:I am thinking of getting unlimited upgrade too, did you notice any throttling? I haven't done extensive enough testing with my current methods of downloading and uploading files from/to my friend's server to tell if any shaping is going on. It feels to me like that is absolutely something I should expect Telus to do, but I generally section all my downloads into ~15 threads over sftp to avoid any snooping on the ISP side. So I assume it's there, but you can step around it pretty easily. I'll see if I can remember to test that tonight by pulling a file over a single thread and see what speeds I get.
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I didn't think any of the big 3 providers did any throttling?
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Stanley Pain posted:I didn't think any of the big 3 providers did any throttling? They're merely required to disclose whether they do to you. (They won't tell you) Rogers delenda est Mister Facetious fucked around with this message at 21:22 on Oct 5, 2015 |
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Oct 5, 2015 21:20
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I know that Rogers, in Ontario at least, doesn't throttle at all.
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https://teksavvy.com/en/why-teksavvy/policies/legal-stuff/internet-traffic-management-practices The most up-to-date ITMP policies each incumbent has provided Teksavvy with. (tldr: no one throttles anything)
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They will only disclose it if you can miraculously get an engineer on the phone. They tell you straight up and know that you know how to get around it; not their problem. The only way I managed to find out that Shaw was doing it before I switched to Telus (needed the upload) was because I laboriously benchmarked my connection and download rates against a business line I knew for sure would see no traffic shaping.
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Anyone see the new Rogers plan? 1000/50 for $150 a month; why is it physically impossible to get 100 up in the largest city in the country?
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Yeah I'm not gonna see gig for a long while out in Alberta 
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Azerban posted:Anyone see the new Rogers plan? 1000/50 for $150 a month; why is it physically impossible to get 100 up in the largest city in the country? Because most technologies are designed to be asymmetrical with a focus on download, since the bulk of people care more about download than upload. Sucks, but how it is.
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Azerban posted:Anyone see the new Rogers plan? 1000/50 for $150 a month; why is it physically impossible to get 100 up in the largest city in the country? Where are you seeing this? The highest I can see on their site is 250/20
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infernal machines posted:Where are you seeing this? The highest I can see on their site is 250/20 http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/rogers-internet-1.3256745 Rolling out late 2015/2016, it's probably RFoG and not FTTH, similar to what Cogeco has rolled out. The outlook on TPIA is getting more grim by the day, the interim CBB rates are already making them super un-competitive, $150 for 950/100 unlimited is a pretty big death knell. John Capslocke fucked around with this message at 22:37 on Oct 5, 2015 |
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Thanks. I was already looking at switching to the 250/20 plan since it's the same as what I'm paying Teksavvy for 150/15, but this would guarantee it.
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37th Chamber posted:Because most technologies are designed to be asymmetrical with a focus on download, since the bulk of people care more about download than upload. Upload is sent through the coaxial cables braiding not through the dielectric so it will always be significantly less.
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37th Chamber posted:Rolling out late 2015/2016, it's probably RFoG and not FTTH, similar to what Cogeco has rolled out. I'll assume for the moment that stands for RogersFuckoffGoddamnit.
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Its sad that a genuine sign of progress is announcing gigabit download speeds without a monthly bandwidth cap.
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Sixfools posted:Upload is sent through the coaxial cables braiding not through the dielectric so it will always be significantly less. Lol, no. All the data is sent through the copper in the cable, it's just that the upload channels are given less bandwidth because that's how DOCSIS was designed. (and coaxial cable has a finite amount of frequency, and most people care more about how fast their youtubes load than how much porn they can reseed to keep their ratio up.) RFoG is still fiber, just like GPON is still running over Fiber. It's just using a certain type of signalling to get the data down the cable. You're still getting FTTH, your modem just talks in a different language than, say, Verizon, because they didn't have some crazy antiquated set of equipment further up the plant that they for some reason don't feel like replacing. (it's money, that's the reason) originalnickname fucked around with this message at 19:40 on Oct 6, 2015 |
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lol no, it goes through the dielectric between the shielding and the copper, that is a why 59 cable isn't used anymore except for tv on occasion it has crappy dielectrics and braiding.
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Sixfools posted:lol no, it goes through the dielectric between the shielding and the copper, that is a why 59 cable isn't used anymore except for tv on occasion it has crappy dielectrics and braiding. Stop with the misinformation, dude, you're wrong. At no point ever does any data ever run over the loving shielding or dielectric (which is a plastic insulator, and therefore nonconductive) of the cable, that's what the copper is for. That copper you're seeing outside the dielectric is RF Shielding, not some magical upstream braid infrastructure. HERE LET ME SOURCE MY INFORMATION, and you, my friend, should probably just stick to talking about internet pricing plans up here in socialist Canada, because you're not exactly an RF genius. http://volpefirm.com/docsis101_rf-fundamentals/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coaxial_cable
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Sixfools posted:lol no, it goes through the dielectric between the shielding and the copper, that is a why 59 cable isn't used anymore except for tv on occasion it has crappy dielectrics and braiding. loving laffo. Now imagine this is your installer he's coming over to your house touching your wiring! Thanks Rogers.
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Nitr0 posted:loving laffo. He said copper too many times to work for a telco, need to throw fiber in there a couple more times.
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I am talking about SIGNAL not DATA sorry for the confusion, I only know Rogers poo poo specifically, mostly between what is going on from the tap to the modem from watching using a bazillion hours of lovely training videos and field work. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Return_channel ROGERs uses the braiding for this. Ask a ROGERs technician next time you have one over. On Demand or Shomi on a Rogers STB will not work properly and you will get an intermittent internet connection if all the braiding is stripped off when a connector is crimped on as an actual example. I fixed a guys connection this afternoon just by swapping out some mickey mouse connections that he did himself. He was getting 0.8Mbps upload and rebooting at least once a day (for like 2 months) and it some how magically went to ~11Mbps. As for pricing, I do have foreknowledge of upcoming promotions and deals. Gigabit is going to be $149 a month with modem rental for sure. 15-25% off for 2 years if you are moving to a new Single Family Unit with no previous wiring only. 1 Year if it's a Multi Dwelling Unit (Condos mostly). Also, they hosed up their homephone provisioning today making it impossible for anyone get a new number or port a number over from Bell. Yes people still have landlines installed mostly for cheaper internet.
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Er, isn't the performance loss due to RF interference because of the lack of shielding?
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Sixfools posted:As for pricing, I do have foreknowledge of upcoming promotions and deals. Gigabit is going to be $149 a month with modem rental for sure. 15-25% off for 2 years if you are moving to a new Single Family Unit with no previous wiring only. 1 Year if it's a Multi Dwelling Unit (Condos mostly). inb4 nda
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It's a best guess based on the last round of deals how they work things. The price is confirmed once you register for it and you talk to a rep. Installing fibre into old neighbourhoods is expensive so new homes will be the best way to get fibre for a long time. Just tested with my meter. connector 5.5 2.5 -2.0 no connector braiding intact -2.2 -7 -10 peeled back -6 -6.5 -8.5 con with braiding stripped off 7 3.5 -2.5 It takes a small thing to toss someone out of spec. Sixfools fucked around with this message at 01:18 on Oct 7, 2015 |
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Sixfools posted:It's a best guess based on the last round of deals how they work things. The price is confirmed once you register for it and you talk to a rep. Installing fibre into old neighbourhoods is expensive so new homes will be the best way to get fibre for a long time. So basically your numbers show that the shielding works...
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There is shielding around the braiding. Either way it is utilized currently and wont be once all analogue channels are off air. conversation done with.
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Sixfools posted:There is shielding around the braiding. Either way it is utilized currently and wont be once all analogue channels are off air. conversation done with. I'm not going to argue about this anymore. The shielding and the terminator (cable end) work together to ground the shielding, that way it actually shields RF. Your customer had an inadequately terminated cable, you replaced the cable with a correctly terminated cable, everything works like it should. The only reason why I'm taking the time to correct you is because people look to SH/SC as an information source and you're coming out like you're an expert, when you don't know how this particular cable works. Go ask your boss or an engineer at Roger's how return path signalling gets back to the plant, and he will tell you it's all run over that center conductor, it's how coax works. The reason why upstream is slower is because the modem is a low powered unit, it's dealing with a lot of noise headed upstream, and it simply can't put as much signal upstream as down with most cable plants because the signalling equipment at the node end has way more signal strength than what your little wall-wart powered modem can muster.. Therefore it gets placed on the lower end of the coaxial spectrum that is going to be most noise resistant and be able to transmit farther with less power. (lower frequencies are like that). The knock on effect of this is of course the fact that upstream stuff isn't going to be able to have the bandwidth as downstream stuff. This is why so many cable providers are going GPON and RFoG, it eliminates RF noise and allows a much cleaner signal (on top of opening up much more spectrum to be able to use for data). Please stop with the argument with this man, I promise you're 100% wrong and you're just going to confuse people because you're claiming expertise as an installer or something.
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Sixfools posted:There is shielding around the braiding. Either way it is utilized currently and wont be once all analogue channels are off air. conversation done with. Installers giving people plausible but wholly incorrect info make me  . It's like, I don't want to throw you under the bus guy, but when you're giving people this level of misinformation it's really hard not to. Analog channels don't utilize the braiding at all, just other parts of the RF signal that could otherwise be put to use with more important stuff, such as digital TV or data. Go ahead, if you disconnect a coax line and leave just the center conductor loosely hanging out of the hole, you'll still get a signal and a return path, albeit a potentially lovely one. I just did it to mine, and I still get my full download and upload (120/6) even though my RF levels are probably garbage.originalnickname posted:The reason why upstream is slower is because the modem is a low powered unit, it's dealing with a lot of noise headed upstream, and it simply can't put as much signal upstream as down with most cable plants because the signalling equipment at the node end has way more signal strength than what your little wall-wart powered modem can muster.. Therefore it gets placed on the lower end of the coaxial spectrum that is going to be most noise resistant and be able to transmit farther with less power. (lower frequencies are like that). Someone brought up the principle of reciprocity earlier in the thread, but I ended up learning that it only applies when the transmitter and receiver are broadcasting at the same power output, which isn't really the case with cable communications.
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37th Chamber posted:He said copper too many times to work for a telco, need to throw fiber in there a couple more times. Monster™ Coaxial Fiber Optic Cable with Nitrogen Gas Injection.  Rogers delenda est Nationalize the cartel
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