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Solemn Sloth posted:Maybe you should have backed Oculus Rift on kickstarter then it's not cyberpunk until it jacks directly into my brain and/or eyeballs.
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Jumpingmanjim posted:Malcolm Turnbull’s dispatch of Tony Abbott from the prime ministership settled a score that had been festering from the moment Abbott became opposition leader. They are very different people. Poor baby lost his 'job'. Turnbull's republican movement will probably end up just like John Key's flag movement: options so terrible we might as well leave things the way they are. open24hours fucked around with this message at 00:57 on Oct 6, 2015 |
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Jumpingmanjim posted:Malcolm Turnbull’s dispatch of Tony Abbott from the prime ministership settled a score that had been festering from the moment Abbott became opposition leader. They are very different people. I adore when dipshits do laundry lists of things they smugly assume readers will react 'wow that's bad!' to, without realising that the majority of the population sees each point as a positive. I may be an extreme lefty but at least I recognise some of my political positions are fringe. How do people let themselves get caught up in their own smug bullshit like this?
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Oct 6, 2015 01:00
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BBJoey posted:The cyberpunk dystopia is now.and we don't even get any cool cybergear. 
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Oct 6, 2015 01:03
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BBJoey posted:I adore when dipshits do laundry lists of things they smugly assume readers will react 'wow that's bad!' to, without realising that the majority of the population sees each point as a positive. I may be an extreme lefty but at least I recognise some of my political positions are fringe. How do people let themselves get caught up in their own smug bullshit like this? Isn't the point that it is horrible, but still sounds appealing to people outside of the fringe?
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Oct 6, 2015 01:06
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BBJoey posted:I adore when dipshits do laundry lists of things they smugly assume readers will react 'wow that's bad!' to, without realising that the majority of the population sees each point as a positive. I may be an extreme lefty but at least I recognise some of my political positions are fringe. How do people let themselves get caught up in their own smug bullshit like this? I had to read it a second time to even see that he was trying to make fun of things. His 'clearly absurd' claims are both things with popular support and things that would clearly actually work. What the gently caress happened to our political environment that caused things our population actually wants to be things that no party in power will take a swing at?
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Oct 6, 2015 01:09
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Two party system. Nothing to be gained by standing out, just hang around long enough and you'll end up in government.
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Oct 6, 2015 01:12
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We also have one of the shortest election cycles in the world. The fact that the Abbott government got in speaks volumes about Australia.
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Oct 6, 2015 01:54
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Hey who would have thought Turnbull would turn out to be just as much of a neoliberal shitheel as the rest of the Liberals: http://www.theage.com.au/federal-po...005-gk1yr5.html
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Oct 6, 2015 01:57
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Why is it only a seven day economy for the poorest members of society and nobody else? hmmery. a mystery indeed.
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Oct 6, 2015 02:08
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The days of penalty rates are numbered as we move to a seven day economy, says Malcolm Turnbull. Geeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet hosed
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Oct 6, 2015 02:15
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EvilElmo posted:Did you read any of what you quoted? Your question is very clearly answered. Smudgie Buggler posted:Clearly not, unless the violence meets at least one of the two criteria under s 5(1)(c). quote:the action is done or the threat is made with the intention of: Then exactly who isn't included in this 'exclusion'. Assuming violence is an act that is likely to "coerce, or influence by intimidation". Read my own poo poo indeed. More over this is part of an ongoing discussion that includes the preliminary findings of Monis' coroner's inquest at which there has not yet been a consensus that that was a terrorist act. You can go and read my posts from this month for the links and commentary if you care enough. Really the point I am trying to make is two fold. One - Until such time as all the facts are known it is completely inappropriate to jump to any conclusions. Lets speculate that the boy in question was mentally ill and screamed 'Allah Akbar' purely because he knew it got a big reaction. Does that mean that anyone with a mental illness who attacks someone while shouting 'Allah Akbar' is a terrorist? According to EvilElmo it does. Two - Effectively what difference does it make whether they are or they aren't, in fact, a terrorist? It isn't going to bring Curtis Cheng or Farhad Jabar back to life. It is only if this is important to our preventing a future event that such considerations matter in the slightest. People who are attempting to exploit the community reaction to instil fear and foster racial or religious intolerance are the people I have cautioned readers to watch and mark the cards of. Are http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-10-05/anti-islamic-group-stage-fake-beheading-in-bendigo/6827220 these guys terrorists? They intimidated the town of Bendigo into forgoing 1/2 a million dollars in revenue. But hey please don't pay any attention to me there are more fifteen years olds that need to be dealt with by police: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-10-06/student-arrested-from-parramatta-school-attended-by-15yo-gunman/6829876 quote:Parramatta shooting: Student arrested from same school attended by 15yo gunman - by David Spicer and staff - Updated 36 minutes ago Now smear me with the tree hugging leftie brush all you want but what I want is an end to the violence and killings. I seek the most effective way and after extensive reading into the topic (some of which I have commentated on here in this thread and its predecesors) the answer lies in the approach taken by Indonesia. Unfortunately, for us in Australia, it also involves stopping the senseless killing of civilians in the Middle East. Everytime there is an 'unintentional' Hospital bombing or 'extensive collateral damage' we here in the West shrug our collective shoulders and say 'oh well', 'badies vs. badies' etc. we occupy the moral low ground and this is why we have the seeds, and possibly fruits, of radicalisation at our feet. Here in Australia we additionally have the refugee torture/rape/death industry to cause impressionable young people to think that we are monsters. Moral high ground? Collectively we'd need a telescope. Not only that but as a problem it is barely worthy of our attention. How loving scewed does your world view have to be when you, as one of the richest nations on earth, callously claim that people coming from poorer countries are obviously economic refugees? We'll duh, Duhtton. http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/breakfast/immigration-minister-peter/6829856. I actually think this new mob are more dangerous (and immoral) than the last because they may actually manage to sell it, see also Rudd, K.
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freebooter posted:Hey who would have thought Turnbull would turn out to be just as much of a neoliberal shitheel as the rest of the Liberals: The poll at the end of the article had a much less horrific result than what I thought it was going to have. Really thought it was going to be 99% 'gently caress The Poor'
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Oct 6, 2015 02:17
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But they hold back the economy! [EDIT: I don't suppose anyone knows if there's been anything written about the effects of penalty rates on economic growth?]
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Oct 6, 2015 02:19
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Anidav posted:The days of penalty rates are numbered as we move to a seven day economy, says Malcolm Turnbull. Seriously gently caress this poo poo.
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quote:Mr Turnbull did not specify what would constitute a no-worse-off test. Of course he didn't. Because none of the people arguing for it have. Their argument is simply that penalty rates are 'hard on business'. The public needs to understand that this has everything to do with helping business over workers.
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The IPA, right on cue: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-10-06/berg-the-tide-is-turning-on-penalty-rates/6829546 What does gladden my heart is that whenever articles about penalty rates come up (and I do stay abreast of them, as someone who depends on penalty rates) the commenters will overwhelmingly defend and support the status quo. Although I only read Fairfax and the ABC...
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Everyone is talking about the economic impact, but what about the cultural one? Sunday being a day of rest is an old tradition. A tradition that maintains some tiny modicum of social cohesion. With that gone the walls between all of us get even higher.
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Oct 6, 2015 02:22
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open24hours posted:But they hold back the economy! Bernard Keane's done some good pieces on it which are worthy of bookmarking for when you get into a Facebook argument with your Mon-Fri Young Liberal law degree cousin: http://www.crikey.com.au/2014/03/12/hunting-for-the-penalty-rates-evidence-proves-a-tricky-task/?wpmp_switcher=mobile http://www.crikey.com.au/2015/04/07/the-dirty-secret-of-penalty-rate-opponents-business-is-booming/
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Oct 6, 2015 02:23
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On the other hand, the public won't vote for this will they? Right?
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Oct 6, 2015 02:23
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The old man is going to win the election and send young people down a wage slavery abyss. Politicians continue to avoid the harsh reality that underemployment hinders an economy just as much as unemployment. If we're not spending enough to stimulate the consumer economy, it is because we can't afford it, not because business can't afford to hire people but because business refuses to let people afford something outside of working to their graves.
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Dude McAwesome posted:The poll at the end of the article had a much less horrific result than what I thought it was going to have. Really thought it was going to be 99% 'gently caress The Poor' The poll has misleading questions though. Where's my option for: "Yes, Sunday should be paid the same as Saturday - both should be at 200% of base rate."
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Oct 6, 2015 02:25
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Apparently there is a big push in Spain to abolish the siesta too. Globalism is cool
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Amethyst posted:On the other hand, the public won't vote for this will they? Right? I genuinely believe the majority of the Australian public supports workers' rights to penalty rates, and Australia's generous workers' rights in general. Whether it will be a tipping point at the election is a different question.
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Oct 6, 2015 02:28
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so is the seven day economy working seven days straight or are we giving the soviet method a go and assigning two days off randomly to everyone
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BBJoey posted:The cyberpunk dystopia is now.and we don't even get any cool cybergear. BRB Registering Ares Macrotechnology.
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Seagull posted:so is the seven day economy working seven days straight or are we giving the soviet method a go and assigning two days off randomly to everyone This would really be the most efficient way. Make sure no one in the same family has the same days off either so they don't waste their energy on holidays or other distractions from work.
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How long have we actually had penalty rates? I know the most recent reworking of them was in 2010 but I know I was getting extra weekend cash when I worked at Coles around 2007. edit - I ask because I was surprised to learn last year that we're one of the only (maybe the only) countries in the world that pays them. You expect the US to be full of wage slaves, but I was honestly shocked to find that people in the UK and New Zealand get nothing extra. 2:00am on Sunday is considered the same as 2:00pm on Monday, which is plainly insane.
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Parliament will begin sitting on weekends I'm sure. It has potential to be an election loser, just like Workchoices was. You'd be surprised the % of workers that rely on penalty rates and work a Saturday for that reason. Any cuts first off would likely be to hospitality anyway since they can't stand up for themselves, but most would see it as an attack on the rest.
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Anidav posted:The days of penalty rates are numbered as we move to a seven day economy, says Malcolm Turnbull. I worked a job where I was potentially working five of any seven days a week. People who've never done this - AKA Turnbull - can't understand that that does to your ability to have a life beyond work. It absolutely destroyed my hobbies and social relationships as well as my general health and wellbeing as a consequence of that. It's hosed. We should be moving to a four-day working week, not seven!
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freebooter posted:How long have we actually had penalty rates? I know the most recent reworking of them was in 2010 but I know I was getting extra weekend cash when I worked at Coles around 2007. That's obviously why the UK and New Zealand outperform us by so much, nothing holding their economies back. Labor could counter this pretty easily if they weren't so terrified of the mythical small business owning Western Sydney wingnut.
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Milky Moor posted:I worked a job where I was potentially working five of any seven days a week. People who've never done this - AKA Turnbull - can't understand that that does to your ability to have a life beyond work. It absolutely destroyed my hobbies and social relationships as well as my general health and wellbeing as a consequence of that. It's hosed. We should be moving to a four-day working week, not seven! There is a reason why so many hospitality workers are alcoholics.
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freebooter posted:Bernard Keane's done some good pieces on it which are worthy of bookmarking for when you get into a Facebook argument with your Mon-Fri Young Liberal law degree cousin: "If, as the Institute of Public Affairs claimed in 2012, penalty rates are killing the cafe and restaurants sector, it’s lately undergone an Easter-like resurrection, because it is now one of the fastest-growing business sectors in the entire economy. ABS data on business numbers released in March shows that the net rate of growth in businesses in cafes and restaurants is far higher than in the overall economy." The much maligned latte sipping lefties are propping up the only part of our economy to be growing. I guess everyone with a double soy macciatto in inner Melbourne is the real lifter and Joe Shitdirt getting government subsidies for his "drought affected" farmland that was never really viable in the first place is the leaner. Inner city is the heartland of Australia.
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Amethyst posted:On the other hand, the public won't vote for this will they? Right? Picture Australians having to pick between Malcolm Turnbull abolishing penalty rates, and Bill Shorten standing up for families sending their kids to private school. No, the public won't be voting for abolition of penalty rates, but they'll vote for the guys who want it anyway. I'd say our best hope is Turnbull sticking to this enough that he gets blasted for it, and then he backs away. Tony was dumb enough to think he had a mandate, but Turnbull does seem to be smart enough to know when to back away from a losing battle.
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You don't even have to work weekends personally to have weekend work mess with your life. Having a partner that worked Saturdays was bad enough.
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Pretty sure penalty rates have been around since the early 1900's. We are, well we were, ahead of the world on workplace laws favoring workers. It was until the late 70's that individual bargaining even became a thing.
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Cleretic posted:I'd say our best hope is Turnbull sticking to this enough that he gets blasted for it, and then he backs away. Tony was dumb enough to think he had a mandate, but Turnbull does seem to be smart enough to know when to back away from a losing battle. No, even Tony was smart enough to realise he didn't have a mandate on this. Turnbull on the other hand is probably gauging public reaction because he knows full well that he's already more popular than Abbott and Gillard. Remind me what happened to the last Liberal prime minister who thought he was popular enough to get away with stripping workers' rights?
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freebooter posted:No, even Tony was smart enough to realise he didn't have a mandate on this. Turnbull on the other hand is probably gauging public reaction because he knows full well that he's already more popular than Abbott and Gillard. He was prime minister for 11 years? 
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freebooter posted:Remind me what happened to the last Liberal prime minister who thought he was popular enough to get away with stripping workers' rights? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jW0yxPbZq40 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmVy0_DLsPM
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