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Volkerball posted:Counterpoint: I'm a fan of his recent treason as he signed onto the letter trying to sabotage the negotiations with Iran.
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Volkerball posted:Counterpoint: Exactly why do you think arming Al-Qaeda as David Petraeus suggests would advance our national interests
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point of return posted:I seriously hope he ends up causing a brokered convention. It would be the best thing ever.
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Fried Chicken posted:Exactly why do you think arming Al-Qaeda as David Petraeus suggests would advance our national interests it worked out p well the first time
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Fried Chicken posted:Exactly why do you think arming Al-Qaeda as David Petraeus suggests would advance our national interests It's not arming al-Qaeda, that's just daily kos bullshit. It's stealing al-Qaeda's fighters like we did with the Sahwat, which obviously is not a gentlemanly way to treat them. Call it what you want, but the only way to encourage people away from extremist groups is to provide something better. The only thing different between now and Iraq circa 2007 is that Assad has to go before there can be any attempts to poach extremist fighters, whereas there was no major obstacle like that when the surge began. But with some modifications, it's a hell of a lot better strategy than sitting around watching the Middle East fall apart while ISIS climbs on top of the rubble.
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Oct 6, 2015 06:16
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Samurai Sanders posted:What's that mean? It sounds hilarious. No candidate has a majority of committed delegates at the convention, and it moves to 2nd round + voting where the delegates get to pick a nominee
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Oct 6, 2015 06:17
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Jagchosis posted:No candidate has a majority of committed delegates at the convention, and it moves to 2nd round + voting where the delegates get to pick a nominee
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Oct 6, 2015 06:21
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Samurai Sanders posted:That's somewhat more boring than the image I had in my head. Well it'd be funny because the GOP delegates would pick really badly. See, e.g., https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E._W._Jackson#2013_Lieutenant_Governor_candidacy
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Samurai Sanders posted:That's somewhat more boring than the image I had in my head. It means the clown car triumvirate of Carson, Trump, and FIorina get to extract concessions from the nominee in exchange for delegates. What those concessions are I'm not sure, but there's still hope for excitement
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It also means the party has no time to coalesce behind a single candidate like has been the case for every cycle since, oh, 1980? Not only does it mean your candidate won't have the best possible support from the party, your image suffers a blow with the less hardcore voters.
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Oh wow DAVID PETRAEUS has a plan for Syria?? Let me pull up a loving chair for this.
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David Petraeus should be put up against a wall and shot, hope this helps wonks. Perhaps he can buy the new hospital in exchange for remaining among us? Nonsense fucked around with this message at 06:43 on Oct 6, 2015 |
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:I'd like to have a dollar for every war crime we've committed. I'd be very rich. Depends how you price it. If you treat Hiroshima as one war crime you're going to get quite a lot of bang for your buck.
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SedanChair posted:Oh wow DAVID PETRAEUS has a plan for Syria?? Let me pull up a loving chair for this. His plan is a secret, so be sure to take good notes and bring rubbers.
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SedanChair posted:Oh wow DAVID PETRAEUS has a plan for Syria?? Let me pull up a loving chair for this. Yeah a good one that Hillary will prob end up poaching. FAUXTON posted:His plan is a secret, so be sure to take good notes and bring rubbers. It's not secret. http://www.c-span.org/video/?328261-1/former-cia-director-david-petraeus-testimony-us-middle-east-policy
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Luigi Thirty posted:You assemble a team with a salary cap and the players cost certain amounts based on past performances. It sounds like the people inside were either getting the salary numbers early or flat-out manipulating them so they can assemble their dream teams. Both sites use the same exact data so betting on the "competitor" site is just as lucrative as betting on the site you work for. It'd be wonderful if this poo poo actually got the dumb fantasy sports gambling loophole closed but it won't.
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Fried Chicken posted:Exactly why do you think arming Al-Qaeda as David Petraeus suggests would advance our national interests Well it kinda worked the last time Petraeus did it.
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Volkerball posted:It's not secret. Nothing's a secret with Petraeus 
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FAUXTON posted:Nothing's a secret with Petraeus He's very sorry.
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PleasingFungus posted:I'm already seeing reports that many provisions of the TPP have changed from the draft versions; for example: Wasn't pelosi pushing for better environmental stuff in the TPP? I think I remember Clinton saying she stood by pelosi on it right after pelosi issued statements about it not being good enough for environmental stuff. Yeah - here it is: http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2015/06/12/3669269/pelosi-bashes-fast-track/
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Phone posted:In a classic move out of the Ron Paul playbook, Carly Fiorina has decided to show how fiscally conservative she is by not paying staffers from her failed 2010 campaign. That's nothing. Wake me when one of her senior staff dies of a treatable illness because she canceled his health insurance.
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Harik posted:That's nothing. Wake me when one of her senior staff dies of a treatable illness because she canceled his health insurance. She refused to give a dead guy's widow his $30k last paycheck for years, is that enough?
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Peztopiary posted:Depends how you price it. If you treat Hiroshima as one war crime you're going to get quite a lot of bang for your buck.  I'd be perfectly ok with Trump pulling a Perot, down to the increasingly crazy conspiracy theories.
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Fiorina: "I'm distinctly horrifying to liberals."quote:Carly Fiorina says that she thinks she is "distinctly horrifying to liberals" because of the prospect that she could beat Hillary Clinton in a general election, hours after a poll was released showing her besting the Democratic front-runner in a hypothetical general election matchup in Iowa. She then removed her face, revealing swirling darkness beneath. "Behold thy visage and despair, for with me comes layoffs and madness." She told reporters, gesturing toward her CARLY SuperPAC, which had taken human form and was devouring campaign funds. "I bring with me a new age of fiscal conservatism, one not tempered by human compassion or empathy." At press time, Fiorina had reportedly unleashed a swarm of unpaid staffers onto the reporters.
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Ernie Muppari posted:i like that he likes torturing people To be fair he really wanted the 2008 election.
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the_paradigm_shift posted:She refused to give a dead guy's widow his $30k last paycheck for years, is that enough? I guess differently lovely? "I refused to pay his medical bills just to watch him die."
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icantfindaname posted:it's cool how the neocons poisoned the well of American international relations for literally a generation or more I know how we can purify it. And it doesn't involve bribing one side of a sectarian war to work for us.
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Volkerball posted:It's not arming al-Qaeda, that's just daily kos bullshit. It's stealing al-Qaeda's fighters like we did with the Sahwat, which obviously is not a gentlemanly way to treat them. quote:Call it what you want, but the only way to encourage people away from extremist groups is to provide something better. quote:The only thing different between now and Iraq circa 2007 is that Assad has to go before there can be any attempts to poach extremist fighters, whereas there was no major obstacle like that when the surge began. And no, that isn't the only thing different. The core motivation if the group we are trying to buy off is different. The fighters we paid to stop fighting in the surge had started fighting largely for lack of other alternatives - de-baathification and disbanding of the army left a lot of folks with no usable skills in a devastated economy and mouthes to feed, so they took up arms for cash. AQ has an ideological commitment to not doing the very thing Petraeus is proposing we have them do. quote:But with some modifications, it's a hell of a lot better strategy than sitting around watching the Middle East fall apart while ISIS climbs on top of the rubble.
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Harik posted:I guess differently lovely? "I refused to pay his medical bills just to watch him die." Letting your staffers die uninsured is more of Ron Paul thing, so I guess if she wants to court the libertarian vote...
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TX8AAUOGKSg It'd be nice if McCarthy's GAFFE actually killed this Benghazi poo poo but I have a feeling they could rename the committee "The Congressional Committee to Smear Hillary Clinton in the Runup to the 2016 Presidential Campaign" and it would poll about the same. Dem members of the committee are going to start releasing transcripts of closed door meetings in order to "set the record straight". zoux fucked around with this message at 14:40 on Oct 6, 2015 |
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QuoProQuid posted:Also, Chaffetz is being mum with his supporters but claims that at least 50 Republicans will not support McCarthy for Speaker. Normally, I would dismiss this as posturing, but Chaffetz is acting really confident for a man that everyone considers to be doomed. I would be careful about reading to much into this. Mitt Romney wasn't the only politician ever to put too much stock in momentum and too little stock in counting the votes. He could be counting on the fame from the Planned Parenthood hearing combined with McCarthy's gaffe to make his Speakership a shoe-in or something. Alternatively Chaffetz could just have a really dumb plan that he's convinced is going to work, like striking a deal with Pelosi (not gonna happen) or picking up votes with the crucial Cruz and Trump endorsements he's banking on. Confidence just means he thinks it's going to work, not that it's going to work. greatn posted:Trump saves the day again This might backfire - Trump opposing TPP encourages liberals to buy into the "it's not as bad as originally thought" meme going around on the basis of not wanting to take sides with Trump against Obama. The more it becomes Trump vs Obama on Trade, the more that's going to help Obama line up Dems behind him. Samurai Sanders posted:That's somewhat more boring than the image I had in my head. The delegates are only committed to vote for their guy for the first round of ballots. So in round 2, people who were signed up as Jeb Bush delegates can decide to back the Trumpster without penalty. This could in theory lead to insanity of the "BAWH GAWD THAT'S HERMAN CAIN'S MUSIC" variety. Most likely not though. Antti posted:It also means the party has no time to coalesce behind a single candidate like has been the case for every cycle since, oh, 1980? Not only does it mean your candidate won't have the best possible support from the party, your image suffers a blow with the less hardcore voters. See the thing with this though is that there's over a month between the last primaries and the Convention, meaning plenty of time for strategizing and for dark horse candidates to try to influence delegates. It's not like they'll show up Day 1 of the Convention and only then realize their leading candidate is however many votes short.
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Haha, shots fired by Huntsman at Chaffetz: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/jon-huntsman-jason-chaffetz "#selfpromoter #powerhungry" 
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BP settled for $20 Billion in fines over Deepwater Horizon:quote:The deal, announced by the U.S. Department of Justice on Monday, is the largest settlement with a single entity in the department's history. It is a "fitting response to the worst environmental disaster in American history," Attorney General Loretta Lynch said. BP (BP) was receiving the "punishment it deserves," she added.
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BP has annual revenue approaching $200BN.
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Artificer posted:Does 20 billion make a blip on the damages done? From another article: quote:Out of the money owed, BP will pay $5.5 billion to cover penalties incurred under the Clean Water Act, the US law that regulates water pollution. The five states affected by the spill — Alabama, Florida, Louisiana, Mississippi, and Texas — will also receive large sums to cover damages, as will 400 local government entities. Apart from this settlement, BP has spent a reported $28 billion on cleanup and compensation. BP itself estimated that they needed to dish out around $55 billion all told later in the CNN article.
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That money paid out to the states will probably just get dumped into subsidizing the oil industry, similarly to what happened with the tobacco settlement money in North Carolina. I think the best we can hope for is that it goes into subsidies for to help the poor oil companies meet those awful crushing safety and environmental protection rules.
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zoux posted:BP has annual revenue approaching $200BN. Annual Revenue isn't really the right thing to compare this to - annual profit is. A company with $200BN in revenue and $100BN in expenses is much less impacted by a $20BN fine than one with $200BN revenue and $180BN in expenses. BP's annual profit is considerably smaller - there are too many "profit" numbers for me to figure out which is the best analogue, but it's at most 10% of that, meaning this fine represents a year or more of their profits, assuming my google-skimming is on-point. Most of the other costs that Party Plane Jones mentioned are presumably already factored into the existing profit numbers online.
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Party Plane Jones posted:BP itself estimated that they needed to dish out around $55 billion all told later in the CNN article. Maybe between this and the peanut butter guy doing time people will think twice about cutting safety for profhahahahahaha sorry I almost got to the end.
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zoux posted:BP has annual revenue approaching $200BN. Going from Wikipedia it's actually 358 billion in revenue, but 4 billion in profit, so this is still 5 years worth of profits.
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