Slavvy posted:

I take off my wheels and chain the car into the ground with concrete studs, only way to be sure.

Even then I remove all of the plastic trims, mirrors and stuff because they tend to fall off easily in accidents, and I roll down the windows and tape the screen cause I don't want any shrapnel flying about when someone hits it.

Dannywilson posted:

Parking Paul is his slave name.

`Nemesis posted:

spog posted:

At the risk of dating myself:

When I was growing up, cars had poo poo factory stereos and door locks that could be opened with a stern word.

So all the aftermarket stereos came with little handles to allow you to easily remove them



Note, this isn't the faceplate coming off, it is the entire fcking head unit that you have now made easier to steal and you are advertising the fact.

the idea was that you would spend your day shopping/on a date/at a night club with a car stereo in your hand.

IPCRESS posted:

I used to keep mine in my desk drawer or would check it with my coat.

Personally, I liked the 'stealth' faceplates that would turn around and show mirror-finish plastic where the deck should be. You can probably guess how effective that was as far as junkie camouflage went.

spog posted:

At the risk of dating myself:

When I was growing up, cars had poo poo factory stereos and door locks that could be opened with a stern word.

So all the aftermarket stereos came with little handles to allow you to easily remove them



Note, this isn't the faceplate coming off, it is the entire fcking head unit that you have now made easier to steal and you are advertising the fact.

the idea was that you would spend your day shopping/on a date/at a night club with a car stereo in your hand.

Data Graham posted:

I think the idea was that you would put it in the trunk

Godholio posted:

But then how would everyone know you had a sweet tape deck?

Godholio posted:

I haven't seen one that's failed, but I've seen a couple that show clear rounding off.

Edit: For me, at the end of the day it's about a 2-second habit that cuts off any chance - no matter how remote - that someday I could have problems. By the time I die I'll have wasted more of my life trying to figure out if I'm really about to sneeze or not than I will have by setting/releasing the parking brake.

Enourmo posted:

hmm how would a rectangular peg that fits into a rectangular slot being rounded and worn be an indication of impending failure

i guess well never knwo

EKDS5k posted:

The pedestrian who just happens to be in the line of fire probably cares, but gently caress him, I won't be liable. And gently caress that other guy who relies on his car to get to work, but now can't because it's totalled because my car rolled into it. kastein usually I respect your advice and knowledge about things but this is just stupid. Metal wears out and fails, parts can have casting defects and fail, and sometimes things just plain don't work like they're supposed to. I'll grant you that the risk is small, but the consequences of a roll away car could be huge. It literally only adds two seconds to the start and end of every drive to essentially eliminate that risk entirely.

Dannywilson posted:

24ish cars in the last 19 years, and the worst I've had is a 200k van from 45 years ago whose parking pawl->tire movement is about 3 inches which translates to an entire THREE generations of contractors slamming it into park while-not-letting-it-stop-properly. On a 45 year-old transmission.

14 INCH DICK posted:

Working In a shop environment for almost 10 years now seeing all makes and all models in all stages of repair I have never once personally heard of or seen a failed parking pawl.

wolrah posted:

Seriously, what's the argument against using it other than "I am the laziest person on the planet"? Even if you believe there's almost no risk of a failure that would require it, it takes a quarter of a second to engage/disengage so why not?

kastein posted:

I have also never seen one. Ever.

kastein posted:

You guys are being intentionally obtuse or don't understand this. Rounding off is caused by assholes slamming into park while still moving, not by the car leaning on it in park.


Show me a cast metal parking pawl, I dare you. I've never seen one. Every one I have seen is machined or punched from thick stock. And if it's properly designed, metal doesn't just "wear out", proper design keeps the applied stress below the level that causes plastic deformation, which means it bounces back to right where it was.

And time for the voice of actual experience:



I have also never seen one. Ever.

I completely agree that the better thing is to use it, simply because it's easy insurance against something bad happening, and also (in the rust belt) keeps your parking brake functional and moving so it doesn't simply turn into a wad of congealed rust after not being touched for ten years.

But... parking against the parking pawl is not going to loving break it. or damage it in any way. period. sorry. (unless it's some awful shitpile crapcan designed by literal idiots, in which case all bets are off. I'm looking at you, Land Rover and Hyundai)

e: for some actual content, here's a 4R100 parking pawl from a Ford:

I can't tell if that's a cast or forged pawl from the picture, it could be either. Also can't tell if it's cast iron or cast steel without a spark test.

And here's one that actually broke, with a new one held up against it:

The guy who found this in his transmission is pretty sure it was towed in park, which I can definitely see breaking a parking pawl. http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-928-technical-forum/612567-transmission-drama.html

kastein posted:

Show me a cast metal parking pawl, I dare you. I've never seen one. Every one I have seen is machined or punched from thick stock. And if it's properly designed, metal doesn't just "wear out", proper design keeps the applied stress below the level that causes plastic deformation, which means it bounces back to right where it was.
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But... parking against the parking pawl is not going to loving break it. or damage it in any way. period. sorry. (unless it's some awful shitpile crapcan designed by literal idiots, in which case all bets are off. I'm looking at you, Land Rover and Hyundai)

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e: for some actual content, here's a 4R100 parking pawl from a Ford:

I can't tell if that's a cast or forged pawl from the picture, it could be either. Also can't tell if it's cast iron or cast steel without a spark test.

`Nemesis posted:

Parking pawl failure seems to be a common neurosis around here

kastein posted:

I have also never seen one. Ever.
(unless it's some awful shitpile crapcan designed by literal idiots, in which case all bets are off. I'm looking at you, Land Rover and Hyundai)

Motronic posted:

I've seen exactly one. It was an overloaded early 2000s Ford conversion van parked on a hell of a hill.

Edit to your edit: it was exactly that transmission. And there was an "unofficial" recall on them.

Vitamin J posted:

God stop it already. 90% of cars in the US are automatics and 90% of the people driving them are idiots that never use the brake. It's fine.

veedubfreak posted:

Getting used to the electric handbrake in my new car is weird.

spog posted:

What's the failure mode for one of those?

i.e. if you have a flat battery, are you unable to tow the car because the brakes are locked on?

Or if the battery dies, you can't apply the handbrakes?

Motronic posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kg8YcW8-zX4

spog posted:

What's the failure mode for one of those?

i.e. if you have a flat battery, are you unable to tow the car because the brakes are locked on?

Or if the battery dies, you can't apply the handbrakes?

kastein posted:

I have also never seen one. Ever.

Motronic posted:

I've seen exactly one. It was an overloaded early 2000s Ford conversion van parked on a hell of a hill.

cursedshitbox posted:

I've been arm deep in more trannies than I ever care to remember

Farking Bastage posted:

BBB action

Safety Dance posted:

The BBB is a self-perpetuating scam. Post on Yelp and tell your neighbors to avoid them; that's the best you can do.

Farking Bastage posted:

This is more of a crooked rear end in a top hat failure, but here goes. My wife comes home from an oil change at the local Tire Kingdom with a $800 quote for all kinds of Brake work. (pads, rotors, real cylinder)She has a decent bullshit detector and just brought it home to show me. Funny thing is, the car ( 03 civic EX manual 1.8) was at the honda dealership the previous day for the Airbag recall and was given a clean bill of health.

The TK advisors claimed that " left front brakes inoperable right front doing all the braking" and "the cylinder in left rear is leaking" which I immediately knew to be bullshit because if it were true the car would lurch to the right faster than the entire GOP presidential field at a mere touch of the brake pedal.

I popped the wheels off last night and found:

Both rear drums are in fine shape and dry as a bone inside
60% or so life left on front pads and very even wear.
Drums and Rotors well within spec

She let the honda people look at it again today and they also found no problems.


It's a shame those TK fuckers were trying to pull a fast one on a lone woman. I was 24 hours away from giving them a pretty good chunk of money to put new tires on my WRX, now I'm considering some sort of BBB action over it because it's a clear case of intentionally recommending unnecessary work.

veedubfreak posted:

Where you went wrong was taking it to a monkey shop for an oil change. That's how they stay in business, by upselling to people that don't know any better.

Geirskogul posted:

Also Yelp is a paid scam so post a Google Maps review and tell your neighbors to avoid them.

Plinkey posted:

This same car had the parking brake fail and no one every told me to put a manual in gear when you park on a hill. I took out a friend's christmas tree that they had been growing in the back yard for the last 4-5 years, but it stopped the car. It was the one tree between the hill/driveway and a creek. I bought them a new tree a few days later.

SAABs

Alighieri posted:

I grind down my e-brake by not pushing the button when pulling the lever up.

Farking Bastage posted:

This is more of a crooked rear end in a top hat failure, but here goes. My wife comes home from an oil change at the local Tire Kingdom with a $800 quote for all kinds of Brake work. (pads, rotors, real cylinder)She has a decent bullshit detector and just brought it home to show me. Funny thing is, the car ( 03 civic EX manual 1.8) was at the honda dealership the previous day for the Airbag recall and was given a clean bill of health.

The TK advisors claimed that " left front brakes inoperable right front doing all the braking" and "the cylinder in left rear is leaking" which I immediately knew to be bullshit because if it were true the car would lurch to the right faster than the entire GOP presidential field at a mere touch of the brake pedal.

I popped the wheels off last night and found:

Both rear drums are in fine shape and dry as a bone inside
60% or so life left on front pads and very even wear.
Drums and Rotors well within spec

She let the honda people look at it again today and they also found no problems.


It's a shame those TK fuckers were trying to pull a fast one on a lone woman. I was 24 hours away from giving them a pretty good chunk of money to put new tires on my WRX, now I'm considering some sort of BBB action over it because it's a clear case of intentionally recommending unnecessary work.

veedubfreak posted:

Where you went wrong was taking it to a monkey shop for an oil change. That's how they stay in business, by upselling to people that don't know any better.