Auspol: Not with a bang but with a whisper

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ewe2: Jul 1, 2009

hawaiian_robot posted:

I swear to god either the Great Aussie Patriot (ugh) or the UPF page had pretty much the fourteen words on one post. No Nazis allowed though, guys, for real!

Surrounded by morons, send halp. The fact that many refugees from a variety of countries that happen to be Moslem are settled in the one area of town that is housing commission is probably related to the bogan outrage here. How you can be NIMBY in a housing commission suburb is hilarious though.

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# ? Jun 5, 2024 15:20

Nibbles!: Jun 26, 2008; TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP

make australia great again as well please

Aren't the majority of Bendigo ok with it? I remember reading the majority support it, especially businesses.

Weren't the anti-mosque lot bussing people in to bolster numbers?

# ? Oct 6, 2015 17:54

Lid: Feb 18, 2005; And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

Five people have been arrested in a series of counter-terrorism raids across Sydney's west early on Wednesday morning that police say are linked to the fatal shooting outside NSW Police's Parramatta headquarters last week.

A 16-year-old boy is among those arrested in the raids, which were carried out about 6am at homes in Merrylands, Guildford, Wentworthville and Marsfield.

All of the five males arrested were aged 24 years or younger.

Police said the males had been taken to various police stations in Sydney and were being questioned over the execution of Curtis Cheng, who was shot in the head outside the Parramatta police building on Friday afternoon.

About 200 police officers were involved in Wednesday morning's raids at Bursill Street in Guildford, Lane Street in Wentworthville, Lockwood Street in Merrylands, and Booth Street in Marsfield.

Those arrested are a 16-year-old boy and an 18-year-old man from Wentworthville; a 22-year-old man and a 24-year-old man from Merrylands; and, a 22-year-old man from Marsfield.

The arrests were made as part of a joint investigation by NSW Police, officers from the Homicide Squad and Australian Federal Police.

Mr Cheng, an accountant who had worked for NSW Police for 17 years, was leaving work about 4.30pm on Friday when 15-year-old gunman Farhad Khalil Mohammad Jabar shot him in the back of the head.

A special constable then shot and killed Farhad, a Year 10 student from the nearby Arthur Phillip High School.

Farhad's playground connections had become a key focus for authorities who were trying to piece together the quiet teen's sudden radicalisation.

He was a talented basketball player and considered the best in the school's under-15s team, however he became distant in the weeks before the end of the last school term, a classmate said.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/terror-raids-in-western-sydney-after-fatal-parramatta-shooting-20151006-gk2u71.html#ixzz3np8aXoXg
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# ? Oct 6, 2015 22:01

ewe2: Jul 1, 2009

Nibbles! posted:

Aren't the majority of Bendigo ok with it? I remember reading the majority support it, especially businesses.

Weren't the anti-mosque lot bussing people in to bolster numbers?

Yeah but it's a noisy protest anyway, and other groups are piggybacking on it which makes things even crazier. The core of it are still mad council woman and her friends.

# ? Oct 6, 2015 22:23

Amethyst: Mar 28, 2004; I CANNOT HELP BUT MAKE THE DCSS THREAD A FETID SWAMP OF UNFUN POSTING
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Anidav posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdC9WtbEpWE

Lol good poo poo

# ? Oct 6, 2015 23:13

Amethyst: Mar 28, 2004; I CANNOT HELP BUT MAKE THE DCSS THREAD A FETID SWAMP OF UNFUN POSTING
plz notice me trunk-senpai

Can everyone please stop trawling the internet for racist nobodies to post? You aren't helping, you're making it worse.

# ? Oct 6, 2015 23:14

Orkin Mang: Nov 1, 2007; by FactsAreUseless

Anidav posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdC9WtbEpWE

this kicks rear end

# ? Oct 6, 2015 23:18

Lid: Feb 18, 2005; And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

Three of the four homes raided by counter-terrorism police on Wednesday morning were also targeted in sweeping pre-dawn raids in September 2014.

More than 200 police have raided homes in Guildford, Wentworthville, Merrylands and Marsfield as part of the investigation into the death of police accountant Curtis Cheng, 58, at Parramatta last Friday afternoon.

One of the targeted men spoke to Fairfax Media on Tuesday night, just hours before his home in Wentworthville was raided by heavily armed police.
The 22-year-old, who cannot be named, has a 16-year-old brother who was in the same year at Arthur Phillip High as teen gunman Farhad Khalil Mohammad Jabar.

The 16-year-old student was arrested last year, when he was just 14, for driving past a Christian school in Harris Park, yelling death threats and flying an Islamic State flag.

When Fairfax Media asked the 22-year-old in an interview via Facebook on Tuesday night about his younger brother's connection to Jabar, he fired back, saying the killing of Muslims around the world was more important than Mr Cheng's death.

"Why don't you do something useful?" he said. "And talk about real events occurring in Palestine. The killing of Muslims all ova the world [sic]. The oppressions in Burma, Palestine."

The 22-year-old was detained during Operation Appleby raids in 2014 but was later released without charge.

On Wednesday, his younger brothers, aged 16 and 18, were arrested following the second raid on their family apartment in Lane Street, Wentworthville.

The home raided in Bursill Street, Guildford, on Wednesday is believed to be the family home of Omarjan Azari, 23, who was arrested in September 2014 for allegedly planning a terrorist act.

Police allege he had a phone call with Mohammad Ali Baryalei, Australia's most senior member of the terrorist group Islamic State, and was told to pluck a random person off the street and behead them.

The home raided in Booth Street, Marsfield, is home to 22-year-old Mustafa Dirani, who was also detained during the Operation Appleby raids in 2014, but not charged.

Among the items seized from his family home last year was a sword, which Mr Dirani said was a common house decoration made from plastic. The Australian Federal Police have refuted that, saying it was a legitimate weapon.

Mr Dirani was arrested on Wednesday morning and taken to a police station to be interviewed.

Two men, aged 22 and 24, were also arrested following a raid on a home in Lockwood Street, Merrylands.

All five men have been taken to various police stations to be interviewed in relation to Friday's fatal shooting, a police statement said.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/why-dont-you-do-something-useful-mans-spray-before-terror-raid-20151006-gk2wxn.html#ixzz3npr0jlTf
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# ? Oct 7, 2015 00:57

WhiskeyWhiskers: Oct 14, 2013; "هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)

Lid posted:

Among the items seized from his family home last year was a sword, which Mr Dirani said was a common house decoration made from plastic. The Australian Federal Police have refuted that, saying it was a legitimate weapon.

If they're only saying it's a legitimate weapon, how have the police refuted that it was just plastic? Surely that's just contesting.

# ? Oct 7, 2015 01:29

Cartoon: Jun 20, 2008; poop

How many dog whistles can you get in your mouth? Ask Father Chris Reily,

Arsetralian don't click http://www.theaustralian.com.au/in-...4f516971f1cbb73

quote:

Chris Riley�s advice to Muslim leaders: actions speak loudest THE AUSTRALIAN OCTOBER 7, 2015 12:00AM

Muslim leaders often fail to back their rhetoric against individual acts of Islamic terror with concrete action, leading to a gulf that makes it more difficult to tackle radicalisation, according to Father Chris Riley, the founder of the successful charity Youth off the Streets. �You�ll hear them on radio when there�s a crisis,� he said, but they did not follow through with concrete programs. �They are so divided they can�t agree on anything,� he said. The federal government�s program to counter radicalisation of Muslims had been failing because it concentrated on �celebrating each other�s cultural differences� rather than integrating the young men with the broader community. While some Muslim leaders had told him they might launch a program if government funding were forthcoming, the real imperative was to be active, by any means possible now, including crowd sourcing. �If kids are in trouble, get off your backside and do something, they are people from your community,� he said.

In an opinion piece in The Australian today, Father Riley, the director of an acclaimed program for troubled youth, writes that �the failed anti-radicalisation strategies have attempted to help these young people by focusing on celebrating each other�s cultural differences through ideals of harmony, road safety and sex education. �While well-intentioned, this approach overlooks one vital thing in that a sense of belonging can only be established through experience,� he writes. �Only through experiential learning, working with groups in collaborative programs, can we start to help these young people feel like they belong in Australia.�

NSW Deputy Police Commissioner Nick Kaldas said Muslim community leaders often had no control over the people police needed to target. �You�ve got to get closer to the weeds,� he told ABC�s 7.30 program last night. �They have the best intentions but in many ways the community leaders cannot control or exert influence over kids who are heading in the wrong direction.� In an interview with The Australian yesterday, Father Riley cited the case of a 19-year-old from western Sydney whom he believed was vulnerable to radical Islamic propaganda, a situation that has become disturb�ingly familiar. �At least six of our kids from the western suburbs went to Syria, and two of them were killed almost immediately,� he said, explaining they had left to work or fight with the Islamic State terror group. �These kids have lost any sense of belonging to anyone, and therefore they are extremely vulnerable. They have such a sense of hopelessness that they will go anywhere that says they will have them.�

Father Riley had very little faith that either the federal government or Muslim community leaders were going to do much good for the 19-year-old, so he decided to intervene himself through direct interaction with the youth. He travelled with him on public transport to allay his fears that non-Muslims would attack him or verbally abuse him, and gave him a traineeship to learn to be a youth worker. Father Riley believes government programs don�t get at the root cause of disenchantment among Muslim youth, which he identifies as a lack of a sense of �inclusion and purpose. Instead, the programs use intellectualised concepts like de-radicalisation. �What sort of word is that? Who would teach that in a classroom?� he said.

Youth Off the Streets programs, aimed primarily at 15 to 21-year-olds, include schools and an outreach program with counselling, emergency accommodation, and other support services. It emphasises �service learning�, where youths on the program help others. During the Victorian bushfires, the program took a group to play ball games and otherwise engage with the children of families adversely affected, allowing their parents to concentrate on rebuilding their lives. Another initiative took a group to Queensland after the floods to help clean up houses. �It�s about inspiring kids and giving them belonging by getting them involved in service to the community,� �Father Riley said. With the 19-year-old, Father Riley tried to break down the young man�s sense of alienation within the broader Australian community.

He listened to the youth�s claim that he and other Muslims felt persecuted by Australian authorities and some of the �citizenry. �This is a racist nation. People are defacing their mosques. They just have to deal with this every day,� Father Riley said.

When the youth started claiming stories in the newspapers about ISIS committing barbaric acts were false he drew the line. �I told him, �If you believe the media is making this stuff up, you can�t work for me.�� Around Easter this year, the youth came up to Father Riley and said: �I love you brother, see ya.� Not long after, Youth Off the Street got word that the mobile phone it had issued the youth had been found sitting at the airport. Program officers informed the Australian Federal Police who, Father Riley said, tracked the 19-year-old down as having gone to Jordan, the last heard of him. �It�s tragic, this kid was such a good kid, and a real leader.�

Read all of that.. :psyduck:

Comedy->Tragedy->Inspiration->Comedy->Tragedy. It's a wild ride.

-/-

Comic releif?

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-10-06/peter-garrett-retracts-details-of-alleged-clubs-nsw-money-offer/6831408

quote:

Peter Garrett, former Labor minister, retracts details of alleged Clubs NSW money offer By the National Reporting Team's James Thomas Updated about 4 hours ago

Former Labor minister Peter Garrett has retracted comments he made during an interview for a documentary that he was offered "hundreds, if not thousands of dollars" by Clubs NSW shortly after he entered federal politics. Labor's star recruit at the 2004 election, Mr Garrett said he was handed an envelope at a function hosted by the clubs and hotels industry welcoming newly elected MPs. "A representative came to me and said, 'look, great to see you coming into politics, and we're happy to provide some support'," Mr Garrett said. The former member for Kingsford-Smith in Sydney said he returned the envelope once he discovered there was money inside it. "I didn't count it," he said. "But it was hundreds, if not thousands, of dollars. "I wasn't going to accept money from them or from anyone in that way. "But it was a very early taste of the way in which this sector could actually operate."

This revelation was meant to be included in an upcoming ABC documentary, Kaching! Pokie Nation, as well as in Mr Garrett's autobiography. But after being contacted by the ABC for this story, the former Midnight Oil frontman disowned those comments. The former minister now says after speaking with his former staffer Kate Pasterfield, who was also there, that the envelope did not contain cash, but instead a cheque made out to his electorate office, which he said he returned. He also said the event in question took place before he was elected, which would mean the possible offence of bribery or attempted bribery of a public official would not apply.

Wilkie 'deeply shocked' by allegations

Mr Garrett has requested his original comments be excised from both the documentary and the book, in light of his memory failure. Publisher Allen & Unwin and the documentary makers are now scrambling to amend the record according to Mr Garrett's new recollection. Federal independent MP Andrew Wilkie, who signed an agreement with the former Labor government to curb problem gambling, said he was "deeply shocked" by the allegations and Mr Garrett's response. Why he would now abandon that story and talk about there just being a cheque in an envelope, it beggars belief. "For him to turn around now with a completely different story is unfathomable, completely out of character for the man," Mr Wilkie said. "Why he would now abandon that story and talk about there just being a cheque in an envelope, it beggars belief."

International Bar Association anti-corruption committee co-chair Robert Wyld said Mr Garrett's original claims deserved closer scrutiny. "I've been told by politicians, former politicians and their staffers of a number of such payments being made across the board from all corners of the political spectrum," he said. Monash University's Dr Charles Livingstone has researched the public health impacts of gambling addiction for two decades. He said he was aware of two federal politicians � an independent and a Liberal � as well four NSW MPs who were offered substantial sums of unreceipted cash. Mr Wilkie and others believe the industry's attempts to buy political influence were obvious. "How then do you explain so many politicians not acting in the public interest?" Mr Wilkie said. "Something must explain their behaviour." Clubs NSW issued a statement saying it "unequivocally rejected" the "false" claims. The Australian Hotels Association did not respond to the ABC's request for comment.

tl;dr Still an unspeakable fuckup.

Chase the blame game.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-10-05/parents-must-steer-youth-from-radicalisation-nsw-police-chief/6828366 - It's parents!
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-10-04/government-calls-on-families-to-fight-against-teenage-terrorism/6826392 - It's families!
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-10-06/parramatta-a-hot-spot-for-extremism-terrorism-expert-says/6828106 - It's Parramatta!
Reverse round http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-10-07/police-raid-properties-across-western-sydney/6832618 - It certainly isn't being targeted by police due to religious connections.

Never once in any of the very public blaming and shaming is the effect of our actions in the Middle east or towards refugees mentioned. You know, the actual reason that otherwise mild mannered people might consider doing unreasonable things because the barbarity appears accepted, embraced, entrenched and immovable.

# ? Oct 7, 2015 01:32

The Before Times: Mar 8, 2014; Once upon a time, I would have thrown you halfway to the moon for a crack like that.

Yasss

Breast cancer gene BRCA-1 cannot be patented, High Court rules

quote:

The High Court has ruled the breast cancer gene BRCA-1 cannot be patented.

Two-time cancer survivor Yvonne D'Arcy has led the legal battle over the ownership of the patent by US company Myriad Genetics.

At the heart of the case was the concern that ownership of the gene patent could stifle the research and development of treatments for genetic diseases.

Ms D'Arcy argued the genes existed in nature so were discovered rather than invented.

Lawyers for Ms D'Arcy told the High Court the genetic material covered in the patent was merely isolated, and was not eligible to be patented under Australian law.

But Myriad Genetics argued patents ensured innovation could be commercialised for everyone's benefit.

Before the Australian case, in 2013 the United States Supreme Court also ruled against the patent.

Specifically the US Court ruled that naturally occurring DNA was a product of nature and not patentable.

But the court did recognise synthetic DNA created in a laboratory, known as cDNA, was not a product of nature and could be patented.

Myriad Genetics' lawyers said the law in the US did not reflect the law in Australia and the legal test in the US differed, asking only if the material "is a product of nature".

In Australia, what is known in legal terminology as "the manufacture test" applies.

This arose from a case in 1959, when the court ruled in favour of patenting a new type of weed killer that did not harm crops, but was made from already known compounds.

Myriad said under Australian law the emphasis was on the differences in the structure and function of the genetic material, and not the similarities, as it would be in the US.

The company believed the US ruling supported the Australian patent, as the material in use was isolated from the gene, creating a "non-naturally occurring molecule".

http://www.hcourt.gov.au/assets/publications/judgment-summaries/2015/hca-35-2015-10-07.pdf

Here's a statement about the decision. In a practical sense this means that Myriad isn't the only company in Australia that can test for and do research on the BRCA-1 gene (which is associated with a high risk of breast cancer). Today is a good day for science :3:

# ? Oct 7, 2015 01:34

Amethyst: Mar 28, 2004; I CANNOT HELP BUT MAKE THE DCSS THREAD A FETID SWAMP OF UNFUN POSTING
plz notice me trunk-senpai

Cartoon posted:

Chase the blame game.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-10-05/parents-must-steer-youth-from-radicalisation-nsw-police-chief/6828366 - It's parents!
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-10-04/government-calls-on-families-to-fight-against-teenage-terrorism/6826392 - It's families!
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-10-06/parramatta-a-hot-spot-for-extremism-terrorism-expert-says/6828106 - It's Parramatta!
Reverse round http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-10-07/police-raid-properties-across-western-sydney/6832618 - It certainly isn't being targeted by police due to religious connections.

Saying it's all the cops' fault is an equally stupid addition to that list.

# ? Oct 7, 2015 01:34

Anidav: Feb 25, 2010; ahhh fuck its the rats again

# ? Oct 7, 2015 01:35

Synthbuttrange: May 6, 2007

'My legacy will be valued in time: Abbott'

# ? Oct 7, 2015 01:38

Solemn Sloth: Jul 11, 2015; Baby you can shout at me,
But you can't need my eyes.

SynthOrange posted:

'My legacy will be valued in time: Abbott'

My valuation in time: somewhere between the time I broke a rib coughing and the time I didn't sleep for two days because I was constantly dry vomiting.

# ? Oct 7, 2015 01:43

Lid: Feb 18, 2005; And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

Amethyst posted:

Saying it's all the cops' fault is an equally stupid addition to that list.

I'm agreeing with Amethyst. People holding that as an absolutist view or the 'correct' one are approaching apologists.

# ? Oct 7, 2015 01:44

Lid: Feb 18, 2005; And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

It's becoming clearer its the same people, its a small group interconnected, as the same names appear it can be clearer this is the lunatic fringe. These are the dangerous ones and should be treated as such and being contained will render this the same as other off shoot cults and can be alienated from the mainstrram rather than the media comcluding they have any bearing on Islam.

# ? Oct 7, 2015 01:52

Pred1ct: Feb 20, 2004; Burninating

Dont think I saw this story posted here. Bold the whole thing etc.

http://m.smh.com.au/national/compensation-for-lawyer-after-wrongful-arrest-20091005-gjfk.html

quote:

A LAWYER has won $40,000 in compensation after NSW police wrongfully arrested her and then falsified official documents, alleging she had committed a terrorist act.

Andrea Turner, 57, was arrested on December 30 last year when a senior constable mistakenly believed Ms Turner had taken a photograph of her conducting a routine patrol of a train with a junior colleague.

Ms Turner, a practising criminal lawyer, had been on her way to a bushwalk in the Royal National Park.

None of the police officers involved has been reprimanded over the incident and there has been no internal investigation.

''Don't take my photo. If you take my photo I will put you on your arse so fast it will not be funny,'' the junior officer had said.

The other told Ms Turner: ''You're obviously a bloke.''

Ms Turner was asked for identification and when she refused, was told to get off the train at the next station or be ''dragged off''.

The senior constable told her she was being arrested for taking a photograph of an officer in the execution of her duty.

Ms Turner denied taking a photograph and pointed out it was not an offence to do so. As was her legal right, she again declined to provide identification.

She was then detained for 30 minutes in front of a crowd of onlookers at Kogarah station.

Ms Turner successfully sued the state of NSW for wrongful arrest and false imprisonment in the District Court, telling the Herald: ''How could I have backed down when I tell my own clients, 'That is thuggery, that is unlawful behaviour and you can't let them get away with it'?''

The state had admitted liability for the incident, but did not accept it should pay aggravated or exemplary damages.

Awarding Ms Turner $20,000 in aggravated and exemplary damages, Judge Anthony Garling found she had displayed no signs of aggression during her arrest and there was no suggestion that the officers had needed to use force.

Yet three police officers were called in as back-up before she was escorted off the platform. Another five - including two detectives - also arrived on the scene.

Despite several phone calls to their superiors, none of them knew which offence, if any, Ms Turner had committed.

''It was an unjust arrest, it was a wrong arrest,'' Judge Garling said.

Without explanation, Ms Turner was freed without charge.

But what happened next was even more serious, with Ms Turner falsely accused of a ''terrorist act'', Judge Garling found.

Police had decided not to pursue the matter or formally record the incident in the police COPS system. But later the same day Ms Turner called the police station to complain about her treatment.

''The police officer then decided to lessen whatever complaint could be made against her by falsifying a public record, that is, by alleging that the plaintiff committed an offence which is related to railway property, not to photographing the police officer,'' Judge Garling said.

The senior constable had written in the falsified COPS entry: ''It should be noted that at the time of dealing with the person of interest police were unaware of the exact offence. It is an offence to take photos on railway property under the new terrorism laws.''

The judge said: ''This lady was sitting on a train going for a bushwalk when the police mistakenly did what they did. In no way could [it] be suggested that it related to terrorism.'' He criticised the police force for not removing or amending the falsified COPS entry or apologising to Ms Turner.

In a statement NSW Police said it would treat the judge's comments seriously. ''The matter will be investigated and any issues identified as a result of that investigation will be addressed.''

# ? Oct 7, 2015 01:54

BBJoey: Oct 31, 2012

Lid posted:

It's becoming clearer its the same people, its a small group interconnected, as the same names appear it can be clearer this is the lunatic fringe. These are the dangerous ones and should be treated as such and being contained will render this the same as other off shoot cults and can be alienated from the mainstrram rather than the media comcluding they have any bearing on Islam.

Ah okay so we just round up this small group of people and the problem's solved, we don't need to change anything else like our attitudes towards asylum seekers or our military action in the Middle East, there won't be any more radicalisation? Well that's good to know, thanks for solving the problem.

# ? Oct 7, 2015 01:55

Amethyst: Mar 28, 2004; I CANNOT HELP BUT MAKE THE DCSS THREAD A FETID SWAMP OF UNFUN POSTING
plz notice me trunk-senpai

BBJoey posted:

Ah okay so we just round up this small group of people and the problem's solved, we don't need to change anything else like our attitudes towards asylum seekers or our military action in the Middle East, there won't be any more radicalisation? Well that's good to know, thanks for solving the problem.

He didn't say "problem solved", nor did he say anything about ignoring our cultural problems. Get a grip.

# ? Oct 7, 2015 01:58

Amethyst: Mar 28, 2004; I CANNOT HELP BUT MAKE THE DCSS THREAD A FETID SWAMP OF UNFUN POSTING
plz notice me trunk-senpai

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-10-07/breast-cancer-gene-cant-be-patented-high-court-rules/6833232

quote:

The High Court has ruled the breast cancer gene BRCA-1 cannot be patented.

Two-time cancer survivor Yvonne D'Arcy, from a modest neighbourhood on the outskirts of Brisbane, has led the legal battle over the ownership of the patent by US company Myriad Genetics.

At the heart of the case was the concern that ownership of the gene patent could stifle the research and development of treatments for genetic diseases.

Ms D'Arcy argued the genes existed in nature so were discovered rather than invented.

Lawyers for Ms D'Arcy told the High Court the genetic material covered in the patent was merely isolated, and was not eligible to be patented under Australian law.

But Myriad Genetics argued patents ensured innovation could be commercialized for everyone's benefit.

This is a serious precedent. I'd like to hear what someone in the medical/pharma sector thinks about it, and the competing futures here. On the one hand we have expensive, R&D heavy drugs incentive by stacks of money. On the other, we have public, open research available to anyone who wants it.

I lean towards the latter, but I don't really know enough to make that judgement strongly.

I also find the idea of patenting a human gene philosophically repugnant.

Amethyst fucked around with this message at 02:08 on Oct 7, 2015

# ? Oct 7, 2015 02:02

Anidav: Feb 25, 2010; ahhh fuck its the rats again

It's not a time for governments to act like robots with no hearts, says Bill Shorten

# ? Oct 7, 2015 02:12

Adnar: Jul 11, 2002

http://www.pedestrian.tv/news/arts-and-culture/st-stirrer-prank-calls-two-blokes-at-once-both-go-/92193f17-c114-40ec-a66b-41bb93ca1bbd.htm :australia:

# ? Oct 7, 2015 02:16

Les Affaires: Nov 15, 2004

Amethyst posted:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-10-07/breast-cancer-gene-cant-be-patented-high-court-rules/6833232

This is a serious precedent. I'd like to hear what someone in the medical/pharma sector thinks about it, and the competing futures here. On the one hand we have expensive, R&D heavy drugs incentive by stacks of money. On the other, we have public, open research available to anyone who wants it.

I lean towards the latter, but I don't really know enough to make that judgement strongly.

I also find the idea of patenting a human gene philosophically repugnant.

Under our capitalist system, any business who "discovers" something like a gene and neglects to try and secure a patent over it is being derelect in their duty to shareholders.

# ? Oct 7, 2015 02:17

hooman: Oct 11, 2007; This guy seems legit.; Fun Shoe

Wait, it's illegal according to our terrorism laws to take a photo while on a train?

I... loving what?

# ? Oct 7, 2015 02:17

kingcom: Jun 23, 2012

Anidav posted:

It's not a time for governments to act like robots with no hearts, says Bill Shorten

I believe *looks at notes*

# ? Oct 7, 2015 02:20

Lid: Feb 18, 2005; And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

hooman posted:

Wait, it's illegal according to our terrorism laws to take a photo while on a train?

I... loving what?

It isnt

Hence why she won

Cop was a tool

# ? Oct 7, 2015 02:25

The Before Times: Mar 8, 2014; Once upon a time, I would have thrown you halfway to the moon for a crack like that.

Amethyst posted:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-10-07/breast-cancer-gene-cant-be-patented-high-court-rules/6833232

This is a serious precedent. I'd like to hear what someone in the medical/pharma sector thinks about it, and the competing futures here. On the one hand we have expensive, R&D heavy drugs incentive by stacks of money. On the other, we have public, open research available to anyone who wants it.

I lean towards the latter, but I don't really know enough to make that judgement strongly.

I also find the idea of patenting a human gene philosophically repugnant.

I actually did an assignment about this case when it was in the Federal court 2 years ago. The Federal Court case contains a pretty good (if very technical) summary of the issues involved, even if Nicholas J was ultimately overturned by the High Court: Cancer Voices Australia v Myriad Genetics Inc [2013] FCA 65

# ? Oct 7, 2015 02:28

Frogfingers: Oct 10, 2012

Anidav posted:

It's not a time for governments to act like robots with no hearts, says Bill Shorten

Did somebody put it in front of a mirror as a gag?

# ? Oct 7, 2015 02:28

Synthbuttrange: May 6, 2007

Lid posted:

It isnt

Hence why she won

Cop was a tool

Then FABRICATED TERRORISM CHARGES against her.

Yet none of them are being punished. gently caress them.

Also more evidence fabricating trash cop news: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-10-07/victorian-police-officer-charged-shooting-death/6833176

quote:

A Victorian policeman has been charged with murder after a man was shot dead during a traffic stop in Melbourne two years ago.

Leading Senior Constable Tim Baker faced Melbourne's Magistrates Court after being charged earlier this morning over the death of Vlado Micetic.

Mr Micetic was driving a car in the suburb of Windsor in August 2013 when he was pulled over by Baker, who was patrolling alone.

It was alleged at the time that Mr Micetic produced a knife before Baker shot him dead.

Synthbuttrange fucked around with this message at 02:33 on Oct 7, 2015

# ? Oct 7, 2015 02:30

freebooter: Jul 7, 2009

The fact that James Thomas - the most smarmily punchable of the Today Tonight reporters - now works at the ABC tears me up inside.

# ? Oct 7, 2015 02:35

The Before Times: Mar 8, 2014; Once upon a time, I would have thrown you halfway to the moon for a crack like that.

quote:

The other told Ms Turner: ''You're obviously a bloke.''

wtaf

transphobic bullshit going on there

# ? Oct 7, 2015 02:37

Cleretic: Feb 3, 2010; Ignore my posts!
I'm aggressively wrong about everything!

Anidav posted:

It's not a time for governments to act like robots with no hearts, says Bill Shorten

Ironically, if we actually did elect robots with no hearts, we'd end up with a more humane country. At least the robots would realize we're wasting money on being monsters.

# ? Oct 7, 2015 02:56

Mr Chips: Jun 27, 2007; Whose arse do I have to blow smoke up to get rid of this baby?

Amethyst posted:

This is a serious precedent. I'd like to hear what someone in the medical/pharma sector thinks about it, and the competing futures here. On the one hand we have expensive, R&D heavy drugs incentive by stacks of money. On the other, we have public, open research available to anyone who wants it.

I lean towards the latter, but I don't really know enough to make that judgement strongly.

I also find the idea of patenting a human gene philosophically repugnant.

pharma R&D is a bit of a red herring in this case. (Never mind that a large amount of big pharma's R&D costs is in extending current patents, and they spend less on R&D than on marketing)

The absurdity was that Myriad had essentially patented an already existing DNA sequence, thereby gaining a monopoly on the only way to test for that DNA sequence

Mr Chips fucked around with this message at 03:13 on Oct 7, 2015

# ? Oct 7, 2015 03:10

hooman: Oct 11, 2007; This guy seems legit.; Fun Shoe

Cleretic posted:

Ironically, if we actually did elect robots with no hearts, we'd end up with a more humane country. At least the robots would realize we're wasting money on being monsters.

The rise of Skynet wasn't because it took over with force it was because it was a more humane option. The platform of "I may be a soulless robot but at least I understand economics" was a surprisingly compelling one.

Actually if skynet's aim was "build the biggest economy possible" I'd imagine its policies would be considered pretty left wing.

# ? Oct 7, 2015 03:15

open24hours: Jan 7, 2001

Why would Skynet care about building an economy? Only humans are dumb enough to waste our lives chasing figures.

# ? Oct 7, 2015 03:27

Synthbuttrange: May 6, 2007

Australia�s opposition to the creation of a body to help people escaping the ravages of climate change appears to have paid off, with the idea dropped from the draft agreement for the crucial UN climate talks in Paris.

A previous draft of the deal to be thrashed out by nations included a �climate change displacement coordination facility� that would provide �organised migration and planned relocation�, as well as compensation, to people fleeing rising sea levels, extreme weather and ruined agriculture.

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/oct/07/un-drops-plan-to-create-group-to-relocate-climate-change-affected-people

# ? Oct 7, 2015 03:27

Wrestlepig: Feb 25, 2011; my mum says im cool; Toilet Rascal

Polluting and loving over refugees are popular Canberra pastimes, no surprises there.

# ? Oct 7, 2015 03:40

birdstrike: Oct 30, 2008; i;m gay

please cory bernardi explain how austrac is designed to catch a bunch of kids with a handgun

you pathetically stupid pig fucker

# ? Oct 7, 2015 03:41

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# ? Jun 5, 2024 15:20

Les Affaires: Nov 15, 2004

So there's movement on the penalty rates thing in Canberra, and one of the ideas floated about it is offering a tax adjustments to compensate for the reduction in penalty rates.

In principle, this means that the onus on providing more cash for working weekends, public holidays, long hours and shfit work shifts from the business itself to the state. If it is crafted properly, it means that we as a society, through the state, compensate people for working those hours, rather than the business or organisation itself.

One of the ideas mentioned is a tax credit, rebate or deduction, which means the worker who would normally get a penalty rate instead gets a reduction in the amount of tax they pay for working those hours. If the worker is below the tax free threshold, the only way this would work is if that were a tax rebate rather than a deduction or offset.

The devil is in the details obviously, but if it's crafted in a way that there's no short or long term net loss to the workers involved then shifting the social aspect of wages and compensation from business to "society" (as in the tax system) could in effect mean we are all subsidising weekend workers rather than just the organisations who operate at those times.

# ? Oct 7, 2015 03:46

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