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IronicDongz posted:
Papyrus: Basically A Dog
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Oct 7, 2015 02:32
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All characters are dogs, secretly
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Oct 7, 2015 02:35
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IronicDongz posted:All characters are dogs, secretly You mean the Earthworm Jim 2 ending. 
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Oct 7, 2015 02:48
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BiggerJ posted:That post is really consistent with Undertale's themes of understanding and principles. And note who the character speaking is, and what he says at one point. The very next sentence is "not everyone's as tough as my brother" So, that's pretty much confirmed.
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Oct 7, 2015 02:50
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 In this world, it's kill or be killed.
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Oct 7, 2015 02:51
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I got my husband to play Undertale and he's loving it, and I'm loving his reactions to the game. He's just gotten past MTT Resort and is so certain that A) Asgore is a dog and B) that Asgore won't want to actually fight him. Oh man I cannot wait for his reaction on getting to Asgore. And then the rest of the Neutral and True Pacifist endings.
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Oct 7, 2015 02:53
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Woof woof woof 
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Oct 7, 2015 02:55
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bog pixie posted:There was a post on the undertale tumblr yesterday that says "anyway, here’s the important info: uhhh… about shyren’s lower body. doing some research might help you. but i won’t blame you if you dont." and apparently Shyren is only the top part and the bottom is something else. I'm scared. It's a rock. Because she's a Siren.
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Oct 7, 2015 02:56
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Mummy Brigade posted:I got my husband to play Undertale and he's loving it, and I'm loving his reactions to the game. He's just gotten past MTT Resort and is so certain that A) Asgore is a dog and B) that Asgore won't want to actually fight him. Oh man I cannot wait for his reaction on getting to Asgore. And then the rest of the Neutral and True Pacifist endings.  Speaking of Asgore, have another dumb vine because he and his giant fork and response to pie makes me think of dumb things: (END GAME BOSS SPOILERS) https://vine.co/v/e2QLgF90mwt
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Oct 7, 2015 03:05
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Everdraed posted:Speaking of Asgore, have another dumb vine because he and his giant fork and response to pie makes me think of dumb things: You are a national treasure. 
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Oct 7, 2015 03:18
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Everdraed posted:Thinking Asgore is a dog is understandable, because man is he in the doghouse
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Oct 7, 2015 03:21
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I want more Muffet art. Preferably ones that include the signpost spider because I couldn't stop laughing at that little guy during the fight.
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Oct 7, 2015 03:22
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Any gif wizards able to avatarize this? Needed to switch out this one a long time ago. Because Undertale/Steven Universe will never go stale.     
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Oct 7, 2015 03:38
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Triskelli posted:Any gif wizards able to avatarize this? Needed to switch out this one a long time ago.
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Oct 7, 2015 03:41
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 there you go
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Oct 7, 2015 03:42
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Kitfox88 posted:
Thanks a ton! Just need to pick a good subtitle. You can't change the font, can you?
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Oct 7, 2015 04:00
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Kitfox88 posted:
Sorry to keep begging for this, but...any chance you could make a gif of Sans playing the trombone? This game has finally convinced me to get an avatar. Actual post time! I have an ending criticism to share. The pacifist ending is just a little too saccharine for me. I have trouble believing that humans would immediately and without question agree to integrate monsters back into society. Most probably haven't seen any before, they literally fought and won a massive war against them and have probably since propagated the idea that the monsters were the bad guys, and numerous people have disappeared inside the mountain they were all stuck under. Not to mention that a literal child is capable of decimating the entire population of the underground, and the outside world probably has weapons much worse than ballet shoes and frying pans. I know it's supposed to be the feel-good, happy ending of the three, but it rings hollow to me.
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Oct 7, 2015 04:13
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Triskelli posted:Any gif wizards able to avatarize this? Needed to switch out this one a long time ago. what's this green house
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Oct 7, 2015 04:14
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It represents homestuck.
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Oct 7, 2015 04:17
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youcallthatatwist posted:Sorry to keep begging for this, but...any chance you could make a gif of Sans playing the trombone? This game has finally convinced me to get an avatar. Well, the modern world is probably a lot less murder-happy than the medieval era or whenever the gently caress they were sealed. But it'd probably be tense in the long term, given that it would only take one bad actor on either side to commit genocide (one human sociopath or one monster dropping a brick out of a window onto someone's head and then taking their soul)
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Oct 7, 2015 04:19
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Neopie posted:It represents homestuck. homestuck is bad, though
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Oct 7, 2015 04:21
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Part of Undertale's lasting legacy will have been unleashing Everdraed onto Vine, hopefully
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Oct 7, 2015 04:22
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IronicDongz posted:oh. It wasn't always that way. (And I might argue just a little that it's not bad at all...just gone on a bit longer then it should and still has moments.) Also, I'd imagine it has some hand in spawning Undertale, since Toby Fox contributed a lot of music to it, and there's definitely some parallels between story concepts.
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Oct 7, 2015 04:27
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Happy endings are good
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Oct 7, 2015 04:32
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youcallthatatwist posted:Sorry to keep begging for this, but...any chance you could make a gif of Sans playing the trombone? This game has finally convinced me to get an avatar. I don't buy it either but it's not the only part of the game like that, for me. Things tie up too neatly too easily with Alphys. I try not to let it affect my enjoyment of skeleton jokes.
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Oct 7, 2015 04:32
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true pacifism ending: They ask you to be the ambassador. It's your job to go feel out the local community so they know what kind of reception they're going to get. Just keep them away from the lava healing guy and you can make a good first impression now that it isn't monster law to capture the human.
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Oct 7, 2015 04:35
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The monsters were sealed underground at least a millennia ago. It's been so long that only Gerson was around when the war happened, and only he really seems to know who Toriel and Asriel were. The six other humans came down over an extremely long period, and an Undyne call confirms that she didn't know where the ballet shoes came from and that they've just always been there. And like barely anyone recognize Frisk as a human without being warned in advance. I'd say monsters are probably just a distant memory on the surface because humans don't live nearly as long as monsters seem to.
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Oct 7, 2015 04:36
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Rocketlex posted:Who's ready to hate fun!? This is from weeks past but I just wanted to say I liked your article! I had the same issues at the same point you did. Undertale was incredible to play but the morals of it are shaky. However, I do agree that the dev never intended it to be that way and that the overall concept of the game had its heart in the right place. Regardless it does have deeper issues beyond a first glance. I might be biased though, I work in social services and occasionally with victims of domestic abuse and I tend to be a bit hyper-aware with things like this. I remember playing this one game with friends' and during an emotional scene I burst out laughing because one of the main character's said something that an abuser had told me verbatim and everyone was  wondering why I was laughing and shaking my head like an idiot.
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Oct 7, 2015 04:41
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Ture pacifist spoilers: Depending on how earthboundy the upper world is I can honestly see most humans not giving much of a poo poo about the monsters.
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Oct 7, 2015 04:43
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GulagDolls posted:I don't buy it either but it's not the only part of the game like that, for me. Things tie up too neatly too easily with Alphys. TBH I really don't like Alphys because when you think about it everything in the game is her fault. Usually the mad scientist that does crazy experiments that gently caress everything up aren't a character you're supposed to like. And she handled it all in the worst way possible. Part of the game is helping her resolve that stuff but the whole situation still feels wrong on so many levels. In the endgame pacifist walkabout can you actually find any of the amalgams to see how they're doing with their families?
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Oct 7, 2015 04:46
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Caidin posted:Ture pacifist spoilers: Depending on how earthboundy the upper world is I can honestly see most humans not giving much of a poo poo about the monsters. It's also possible that there were monsters in other places and that its only this particular kingdom thats been sealed down there, while other groups have been living above ground just fine.
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Oct 7, 2015 04:47
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Internet Kraken posted:In the endgame pacifist walkabout can you actually find any of the amalgams to see how they're doing with their families? Yep, all of them. And they're doing just fine, too. Monsters are weird like that.
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Oct 7, 2015 04:47
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Man I never made the connection between Mettaton's origins and Mettaton's best question.
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Oct 7, 2015 04:48
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Even if the war with monsters was long enough ago that the whole thing was regarded by humans as a myth, I would think that Asriel's appearance in Chara's village in a somewhat more modern time would raise some eyebrows. Then again, maybe when news that a mob of villagers attacked a monster got out, it would just be dismissed by the world at large as a bunch of drunken, superstitious hicks attacking an unusually hairy man they thought was a monster.
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Oct 7, 2015 04:52
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Doctor Goat posted:Man I never made the connection between Mettaton's origins and Mettaton's best question. E) All of the Above (Heck Yeah)
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Oct 7, 2015 04:54
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Internet Kraken posted:In the endgame pacifist walkabout can you actually find any of the amalgams to see how they're doing with their families? Yes, you can. They're actually living happily with their families, or as happily as they can be. The dog amalgam and its family seem more or less completely unfazed, Lemon Bread still has hangups, the Snowdrake family is able to crack jokes about the situation, etc. etc.. Red Mundus posted:This is from weeks past but I just wanted to say I liked your article! I had the same issues at the same point you did. Undertale was incredible to play but the morals of it are shaky. However, I do agree that the dev never intended it to be that way and that the overall concept of the game had its heart in the right place. Regardless it does have deeper issues beyond a first glance. Full disclosure, I was previously in an abusive relationship, and if you're talking about Asriel talking about how he's hurting you because he's terrified that you'll leave otherwise, that set off alarm bells as well, but in context, it made me feel even worse for the character in question. It's an old trope of a manipulative abuser, but in the situation as presented, it's the end state of a terrified, more-or-less abused child lashing out in desperation the only way he knows how to anymore. As for Alphys...yeah, it was kind of abrupt, but I know someone who is extremely reminiscent of her, so I view her through a sympathetic lens. She wasn't qualified for the job, hosed up massively while trying to benefit others, and fell into a self-destructive, self-loathing isolation, ripping at her own social support until she views her compulsive lying and denial as the only thing standing between her and suicide. The turnaround at the end is when she realizes that she may have SERIOUSLY hosed things up, but she could never have predicted how badly it went, and there are more constructive ways to address the past. It doesn't hurt that Frisk is basically more forgiving than Christ, Sans is too burnt out to give a poo poo, and Undyne has a massive lesbian crush on her and has heavily implied blood on her own hands to deal with. Note that the second Toriel learns about what Alphys did as a royal scientist, she fires her on the spot.
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Oct 7, 2015 04:56
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I beat true pacifist run a seond time. How do I get the picture of Frisk and the main characters to appear?
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Oct 7, 2015 04:56
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Internet Kraken posted:TBH I really don't like Alphys because when you think about it everything in the game is her fault. Usually the mad scientist that does crazy experiments that gently caress everything up aren't a character you're supposed to like. And she handled it all in the worst way possible. Part of the game is helping her resolve that stuff but the whole situation still feels wrong on so many levels. You can, and all of them are really happy, especially the dogs. The dog who can't see non-moving things is super stoked that there is a member of the family now that never stops moving. About Alphys it's hard for me to hate Alphys because honestly she only ever wanted to do good by the monsters. She fucks it all up and thinks everyone is going to hate her for it. That puts her in a really bad place emotionally, to the point where she can't even fix anything because of it. Eventually you come along and go through the Mettaton nonsense, which despite her lying to you, ends up giving her some of her confidence back. And then of course you get her and Undyne to admit they like each other which puts her back on a more emotionally steady path. That she lets you into her lab shows this, she's ready to finally face the problems she's caused. And I mean that entire lab section is all about forgiveness. I also don't think you can pin everything on her, Asgore, Toriel, the human race in general, etc, all have a part to play. I dunno I really liked Alphys, and I thought she was one of the best written characters in the game. I liked that her entire thing was "you hosed up a lot but that doesn't have to define you".
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Oct 7, 2015 04:57
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Internet Kraken posted:TBH I really don't like Alphys because when you think about it everything in the game is her fault. Usually the mad scientist that does crazy experiments that gently caress everything up aren't a character you're supposed to like. And she handled it all in the worst way possible. Part of the game is helping her resolve that stuff but the whole situation still feels wrong on so many levels. How exactly is everything her fault? Also, do you mean she's a bad character, or a bad person? Personally, I feel she had her heart in the right place and made some extremely understandable mistakes.
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Oct 7, 2015 04:59
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Daeren posted:
I didn't like her just because, what undyne says about her doing things with passion is something I never really saw and also because I don't think it's so easy to come back from so dark a place. possible, but for me took infinitely longer than displayed in the game. I know it's only like six hours long so there's only so much you can show but if that's the case then maybe don't have that arc.
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