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WitchFetish posted:Ok so basically I kinda remember watching Gundam 08th MS Team and several other Sunrise batshit insane mecha animes (Code Geass, Valvrave, and Fukuda's latest massterpiece), but since I don't remember anything about the former and the latters had nothing to do with Gundam, I'm basically starting my knowledge of the Gundam-verse now and this is what I think I understood : I think they're actually talking about the power source that they use. The reactors for mobile suit and larger tech (such as the one found in the gundam) seem to be this series version of something called the minovsky effect. In the original Gundam this was a by-product of the fusion engines they used which distorted radio waves and bent light. In other series it is different things, N-Jammer Cancellers in SEED, GN particles in 00 gundam and so on. The idea here is that the earth needs to actually send some poor bastards out to physically check on mars because the same thing they use for power happens to also gently caress up radio waves and visible light, making it impossible to simply look at mars with a big telescope or contact them by other means. At least... I think. I was pretty sleepy on my first watch of the new series.
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Well the thing is most Gundams aren't connected to each other - Iron-Blooded Orphans is its own separate universe (unless it's revealed this is like, 323 years after Wing specifically or something). So you're probably not going to learn much of Gundam as a whole from this particular show, especially since this one thus far looks to try to be keeping away from the normal Gundam stereotypes (namely clueless sensitive teenage dweeb bumbles his way into this super expensive prototype military equipment and is magically amazing at it, thirty episodes later there's about fifty WMDs strapped to it and this teenager is now basically Space Jesus who can literally fight the entire world and come out on top).
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Oct 7, 2015 02:23
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WitchFetish posted:Ok so basically I kinda remember watching Gundam 08th MS Team and several other Sunrise batshit insane mecha animes (Code Geass, Valvrave, and Fukuda's latest massterpiece), but since I don't remember anything about the former and the latters had nothing to do with Gundam, I'm basically starting my knowledge of the Gundam-verse now and this is what I think I understood : This is completely unconnected from all other Gundam shows, so you don't need any prior knowledge going in. Although, I will say WitchFetish posted:(because she's young and full of convictions?)(because they are old and assholes?) You seem to get Gundam pretty well.
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Oct 7, 2015 02:24
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WitchFetish posted:- She gets sent to the trash PMC full of child soldiers that are treated like absolute trash, who are supposed to be protecting her (?) while she visits Mars (?). They say she actually specifically chose the orphans as her bodyguards. Because they're native Martians and orphans and it's so authentic and real, man...
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Oct 7, 2015 02:25
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WitchFetish posted:- Anyway they get attacked by people from some place with a ridiculous name that starts with like "Gja" (how the gently caress is that even supposed to be pronounced?), who uh... what is their objective anyway? I might have forgotten, but I bet they are trying to kill the Princess to make the Martian independence movement look bad. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gjallarhorn The J is pronounced like a Y sound, like Mjolnir is meeyollnur instead of mijollnur. Their objective is that they're effectively the Space Military Police. They're there to keep order and make sure everyone remains loyal to the Earth government. Since our princess there is a major supporter and one of the leaders/figureheads of the Martian Independence Movement, it means that Gjallarhorn is very interested in seeing her dead or imprisoned. They wield enough power that her father(a high ranking Martian politician) was willing to sell his daughter out to them in order to keep on their good side.
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Oct 7, 2015 03:24
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Caros posted:I think they're actually talking about the power source that they use. The reactors for mobile suit and larger tech (such as the one found in the gundam) seem to be this series version of something called the minovsky effect. In the original Gundam this was a by-product of the fusion engines they used which distorted radio waves and bent light. In other series it is different things, N-Jammer Cancellers in SEED, GN particles in 00 gundam and so on. The idea here is that the earth needs to actually send some poor bastards out to physically check on mars because the same thing they use for power happens to also gently caress up radio waves and visible light, making it impossible to simply look at mars with a big telescope or contact them by other means. That's it. Mcgillis, the blonde officer on the main ship, even commented on humanity being unwilling to give up a source of power/energy, even if it has big drawbacks. They have to get extremely close to Mars to be able to communicate with it, because of their power generator, which is why the inspectors (the division of Gjallarhorn that their ship is a part of) exist. If they used a different power source, they wouldn't have to constantly send inspectors directly to Mars.
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Oct 7, 2015 03:57
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boom boom boom posted:They say she actually specifically chose the orphans as her bodyguards. Because they're native Martians and orphans and it's so authentic and real, man... Christ, I just rewatched it and that ice burn is even worse on the second viewing. I guess we weren't equal in the first place. Bitch.
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Oct 7, 2015 04:16
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The best part is that it is not delivered with any legit malice yet it still hit for massive damage.
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Oct 7, 2015 05:16
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Mika didn't even change the tone he was using for the guided tour. "This is the reactor room. This is the sleeping room. You and I are not equals. Kitchen is over here."
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Oct 7, 2015 06:11
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"Please don't shake my hand, thanks." 
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Oct 7, 2015 08:15
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Yeah, this is the rare Gundam show where the protagonist is likeable right off the bat. 
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Oct 7, 2015 08:38
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Yeah I can totally dig it. Now it's time for the old "wait a week to watch the Gundam own some assholes" phase.
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Oct 7, 2015 08:52
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I hope it ends up being a while before Frog Gundam/Dickhead Gundam show up and that we get plenty more mobile worker fight scenes and creative tactics, rather than the Barbatos and other Gundams solving everything from now on, though.
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Oct 7, 2015 09:05
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Lemon Curdistan posted:I hope it ends up being a while before Frog Gundam/Dickhead Gundam show up and that we get plenty more mobile worker fight scenes and creative tactics, rather than the Barbatos and other Gundams solving everything from now on, though. Well, they already have a reason why The Kids Club can't just throw Barbatos at every problem(Tallgeese syndrome on the pilot). The bigger problem is that they'll have to come up with a reason why Gjallarhorn won't drop the hammer on the sudden appearance of an illegal unknown mobile suit and deploy all the MS they have for that to happen, since we've been shown that mobile workers stand about as much chance against a mobile suit as a butterfly does against a hurricane.
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Oct 7, 2015 11:12
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Kanos posted:Well, they already have a reason why The Kids Club can't just throw Barbatos at every problem(Tallgeese syndrome on the pilot). The bigger problem is that they'll have to come up with a reason why Gjallarhorn won't drop the hammer on the sudden appearance of an illegal unknown mobile suit and deploy all the MS they have for that to happen, since we've been shown that mobile workers stand about as much chance against a mobile suit as a butterfly does against a hurricane. Yeah, but we also already know that the Barbatos is eventually getting an upgrade that fixes the Tallgeese syndrome - the question is whether it happens in episode 5 or 15. I imagine that a) the kids will go to ground locally and b) the Mars branch of Gjallarhorn doesn't exactly have infinite resources to throw at the problem. It doesn't look like MS are particularly common either - Gjallarhorn's big assault is 95% mobile workers and one single team of MS. There's three or four MS designs still left so things will probably heat up a notch when the inspector arrives with his own contingent of cutting edge MS to supplement the Mars branch's lovely hand-me-downs. e; vv T.G. Xarbala posted:It's a shame but it does look like the little tanks that could probably actually can't, at least not against mobile suits. Yeah, that's the thing - right now they're at the point where creative tactics + some dangerous modifications could make massed mobile workers viable against a small number of MS. I'm hoping that happens, rather than the Gundams suddenly obsoleting the tanks entirely. Lemon-Lime fucked around with this message at 11:31 on Oct 7, 2015 |
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Oct 7, 2015 11:23
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It's a shame but it does look like the little tanks that could probably actually can't, at least not against mobile suits. It'd be sweet if that impression got turned around though.
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Oct 7, 2015 11:27
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The tanks just aren't equipped to fight MS, maybe they'll get heavier armaments in the future.
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Oct 7, 2015 11:56
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T.G. Xarbala posted:"Please don't shake my hand, thanks." Aina's arc is currently "I'm too indecisive and insecure to slum it", give her a half dozen episodes of character development and she'll happily grab the dirty hand.
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Oct 7, 2015 12:38
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Mika didn't really give Aina a chance to try to grab his hand, despite the dirt and oil. She even pulled her hand back and took off her glove when trying to shake his hand. He just shut her down with what he said, then turned away. Aina asking to help with getting Barbatos setup shows she's willing to get her hands dirty, as well.
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Oct 7, 2015 13:33
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Lemon Curdistan posted:Yeah, but we also already know that the Barbatos is eventually getting an upgrade that fixes the Tallgeese syndrome - the question is whether it happens in episode 5 or 15. I'm actually rather curious why Gjallarhorn went with the massed attack route. Given that the president of CGS's first reaction to the Gjallarhorn attack was to pack all his poo poo and run like gently caress at the head of First Battalion while leaving the kids to die, it seems like they could have simply intimidated or bribed him into directly selling out the princess instead. Every non-Gjallarhorn character we've seen in the show so far responds to Gjallarhorn with outright fear(Kudelia's father, the CGS president, the first battalion officers, and even the kids when they first realize who's attacking them), so they definitely have some serious weight behind them on Mars. It's probably due to Orliss being an egocentric idiot who wanted to throw his dick around with a solid military victory on his first command instead of a simple diplomatic coup. Reds posted:The tanks just aren't equipped to fight MS, maybe they'll get heavier armaments in the future. I'd hope so, but given some of the stuff in this episode like Danji charging in to close range "because their armor's thick" or Mika/Akihiro running right into the middle of the enemy formation to do their synchronized mobile worker dancing, it implies that their weapons are barely adequate even for fighting other mobile workers. I'd think they'd have put on heavier stuff if they had it. Maybe they'll salvage some good stuff from the remains of the first battalion(assuming a significant portion of it got wiped out), since I imagine the Cool Kids Club got all the really garbage hand-me-down trash.
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Oct 7, 2015 13:34
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Given how the station commander was talking about making Kudelia into a martyr, they were probably doing the whole colonial government demonstrates overwhelming power to generate fear of further reprisals thing.
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Oct 7, 2015 13:37
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Kanos posted:It's probably due to Orliss being an egocentric idiot who wanted to throw his dick around with a solid military victory on his first command instead of a simple diplomatic coup. It's that, or it's just that their usual RoE is to go in hard and fast. CGS are just a crappy PMC, but they have guns and Gjallarhorn are cops, so they probably feel like attacking is a legitimate exercise of their authority and a raid is just their standard MO. They had no real reason to want to negotiate with a podunk mercenary outfit since they have overwhelming firepower. It's probably a combination of all these things, really. Kanos posted:it implies that their weapons are barely adequate even for fighting other mobile workers. Yeah, you'll note that the CGS mobile workers have some kind of light autocannon/heavy MG whereas the Gjallarhorn ones fire explosive shells. CGS don't seem to be very well equipped which makes sense, since Gjallarhorn wouldn't want PMCs to be able to fight them. Lemon-Lime fucked around with this message at 13:46 on Oct 7, 2015 |
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Lemon Curdistan posted:It's that, or it's just that their usual RoE is to go in hard and fast. CGS are just a crappy PMC, but they have guns and Gjallarhorn are cops, so they probably feel like attacking is a legitimate exercise of their authority and a raid is just their standard MO. They had no real reason to want to negotiate with a podunk mercenary outfit since they have overwhelming firepower. I don't think a full massed assault raid is their normal MO based on Crank's reaction to the battle. He seemed extremely miffed at Orliss's insistence on a massed wave attack(which led to significant casualties) instead of simply deploying the mobile suits immediately. With that in mind and Orliss telling Crank "gently caress the objective, if you want it so bad get it yourself" suggests that Gjallarhorn's normal MO is shock and awe "we've got mobile suits give up or you're dead" and Orliss just wanted to win a big military clash to cover himself in glory. Have we seen a first battalion CGS worker? Given the state of things at CGS I would have assumed that the first battalion guys would actually have decent equipment and the third battalion kids would be operating on lovely scrapheaps.
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Oct 7, 2015 13:57
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Kanos posted:Have we seen a first battalion CGS worker? Given the state of things at CGS I would have assumed that the first battalion guys would actually have decent equipment and the third battalion kids would be operating on lovely scrapheaps. During the flare scene I'm pretty sure I caught a glimpse of one of those lovely autocannons.
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Oct 7, 2015 14:00
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Kanos posted:I'd hope so, but given some of the stuff in this episode like Danji charging in to close range "because their armor's thick" or Mika/Akihiro running right into the middle of the enemy formation to do their synchronized mobile worker dancing, it implies that their weapons are barely adequate even for fighting other mobile workers. I'd think they'd have put on heavier stuff if they had it. Lemon Curdistan posted:It's that, or it's just that their usual RoE is to go in hard and fast. CGS are just a crappy PMC, but they have guns and Gjallarhorn are cops, so they probably feel like attacking is a legitimate exercise of their authority and a raid is just their standard MO. They had no real reason to want to negotiate with a podunk mercenary outfit since they have overwhelming firepower. You're forgetting that the child soldier battalion isn't exactly liked by the rest of CGS. I doubt they were getting the best equipment for any task except being disposable meatshields. boom boom boom posted:They say she actually specifically chose the orphans as her bodyguards. Because they're native Martians and orphans and it's so authentic and real, man... I think it's less for her sake as to wave them in front of the Earth government as a demonstration of what's going on on Mars under their authority. Believing they're equals is her own personal thing though.
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Oct 7, 2015 14:59
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powerful teens
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Oct 7, 2015 17:08
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What does the thread title mean?
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Oct 7, 2015 22:49
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.jpg posted:What does the thread title mean? The opening song has a line that goes "waiting for direction", but a lot of people misheard it as "waiting for erection"
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Oct 7, 2015 22:51
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I see. Nice one.
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Oct 7, 2015 23:20
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I think the episode where we learn about the sentimental value of the big coat will be ep4.
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Oct 7, 2015 23:25
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Whoa the episode names were leaked and wellllllp Episode 2 Barbatos Episode 3 Sange (scattering flowers, or to fall like flowers. A saying that usually means dying a glorious death Episode 4 Life's Price
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Oct 7, 2015 23:26
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Cao Ni Ma posted:Whoa the episode names were leaked and wellllllp That must be fake because I have it on good authority that Episode 4 is Big Coat Story
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Oct 7, 2015 23:33
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Also, Gjallahorn was trying to engage quietly, hence the snipers, but a sentry managed to figure out what was happening and alert the whole company. If that didn't happen, they'd have been blowing them away as everyone tried to launch.
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Oct 7, 2015 23:36
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Droyer posted:The opening song has a line that goes "waiting for direction", but a lot of people misheard it as "waiting for erection" It's the best misheard lyric since "IT'S IN MEEEEEEE~ I'M A UNICOOOOOORN".
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Oct 8, 2015 09:05
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Cao Ni Ma posted:Whoa the episode names were leaked and wellllllp I'm assuming that's Akihiro gone, then. He's been established as the second-best fighter of the Orphans, but he doesn't have an obvious suit lined up for him like Biscuit and Orga. RIP, big guy.
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Oct 8, 2015 09:44
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Darth Walrus posted:I'm assuming that's Akihiro gone, then. He's been established as the second-best fighter of the Orphans, but he doesn't have an obvious suit lined up for him like Biscuit and Orga. RIP, big guy. The opening shows him piloting a pieced together version of what ever the green Gjallorhorn suits are called. Also Orga and Biscuit weren't even shown to be pilots so I'm not sure why you think they have suits lined up.
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Oct 8, 2015 15:13
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Ethiser posted:The opening shows him piloting a pieced together version of what ever the green Gjallorhorn suits are called. Oh, so the Graze Kai is his? Neat. As for Orga and Biscuit, there's two Gundams coming up, the Kimaris and Gusion, that seem perfectly suited to them.
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Oct 9, 2015 10:39
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Ethiser posted:The opening shows him piloting a pieced together version of what ever the green Gjallorhorn suits are called. Orga definitely has the whisker connector on his back and I'm pretty sure the only reason he's got his sweet two seater is so he can focus on command rather than him not being able to pilot a thing. We haven't seen Biscuit shirtless yet, so it's possible he doesn't have one.
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I'm guessing Biscuit has a different sort of implant because he was able to sense the Ahab generators somehow.
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